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IoT Security Is So Bad, There's a Search Engine For Sleeping Kids (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Shodan, a search engine for the Internet of Things (IoT), recently launched a new section that lets users easily browse vulnerable webcams. The feed includes images of marijuana plantations, back rooms of banks, children, kitchens, living rooms, garages, front gardens, back gardens, ski slopes, swimming pools, colleges and schools, laboratories, and cash register cameras in retail stores. While IoT manufacturers are to blame, this also highlights the creepy stuff you can do with Shodan these days. At the start of January, Check Point recommended companies to block Shodan's crawlers. The infosec community came to defend Shodan, and even its founder said that Shodan is uselessly branded as a tool of evil, saying that attackers have their own scanning tools.

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  1. Johnny can't encrypt by dfn5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Security is hard and companies have to make their video surveillance products easy enough for a socker mom to install. Frankly I'm not surprised. Nor do I have a solution. As someone who has to provide tech support to family and friends I realize how hard it is to "just make it work" for those who couldn't care less about the technical details.

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    1. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As someone who has to provide tech support to family and friends I realize how hard it is to "just make it work" for those who couldn't care less about the technical details.

      If you're not charging your relatives for tech support, you're doing it wrong. The fastest way to discourage relatives is to quote the hourly rate of your local mechanic ($100 in my area). If your relatives won't pay to have a mechanic fix the car, you can bet that they won't pay to have you fix the computer.

    2. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      He was actually referring to an abusive woman.

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    3. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by omglolbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet, for wireless routers encryption is enabled by default for most, and a sticker with the password is put on the physical device.
      Why not the same for a camera?
      Not a perfect solution, but a hell of a lot better than the current situation.

    4. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Generally speaking, implementing correct security is extremely difficult, but a company that puts security as a priority can design systems that are secure by default, and strike a reasonable balance between customer ease of use and effectiveness. It doesn't have to be impossible for a soccer mom to use a device securely.

      You can see the difference in two competing chat apps: Threema vs iChat. Threema is a "trust no-one" model, and requires you to actually meet face to face with a person to pre-exchange keys before you can chat with the maximum security protocol. iChat, on the other hand, "just works", relying on Apple to manage the key exchange. You're giving up a small amount of security for the convenience of a seamless experience, and trusting Apple to keep it the channel secure on your behalf.

      I think most people would be fine with trusting the company they bought their devices from to actively manage the security aspects so they don't have to think too much about it, but in many cases, it's not that the security is flawed... it's completely non-existent. Anyone complaining about Shodan is simply blaming the messenger. The blame lies squarely on the companies that are selling these products with zero security in mind.

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    5. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by Bert64 · · Score: 2

      iMessage is aimed more as a replacement for SMS, which worked in the same way - you had to trust your telco and that of the recipient. For casual chat both systems are more than adequate.

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    6. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Security can be implemented fully transparently to the user. This does of course take quite a bit of effort, and it can be costly since you need a few things on your system that take the workload off the user.

      Since both mean more cost for the device, this is not an option. Those gadgets are supposed to be cheap, security is not a selling point so to hell with it.

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    7. Re:Johnny can't encrypt by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Problem with charging your relatives for support is that they will then start charging you for the same. Need a lift to the airport? Help moving house? Look after your cat for the weekend? Childcare?

      Rather than becoming the black sheep of the family, just be more assertive at calling in those favours. Start the conversation with "how is your computer doing?" and end it with "so I need help moving this grand piano I bought..." You can even cash in while doing the tech support. When the call up, say you will come over, and then casually ask if they have any of that meatloaf they served the other day you could grab a slice or two of.

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  2. Re:It's a search engine for webcams by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to TFA, which of course no one has bothered to read:

    Shodan crawls the Internet at random looking for IP addresses with open ports. If an open port lacks authentication and streams a video feed, the script takes a snap and moves on. The cameras are vulnerable because they use the Real Time Streaming Protocol (RTSP, port 554) to share video but have no password authentication in place. The image feed is available to paid Shodan members at images.shodan.io. Free Shodan accounts can also search using the filter "port:554 has_screenshot:true."

  3. You've made your point...now shut it down. by westlake · · Score: 2

    The infosec community came to defend Shodan, and even its founder said that Shodan is uselessly branded as a tool of evil, saying that attackers have their own scanning tools.

    It won't matter to the families of the children you have exposed that other scanning tools are available. Yours is public and visible --- and it has a deliberately provocative name. You can't search Google for Shodan and miss the connection.

    1. Re:You've made your point...now shut it down. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because sweeping this under the rug means bad guys won't ever attack these devices. *rolls eyes* Their point won't have been made until these *groan* IoT *groan* device making shitheads secure their crapware.

    2. Re:You've made your point...now shut it down. by tlambert · · Score: 2

      Yours is public and visible --- and it has a deliberately provocative name. You can't search Google for Shodan and miss the connection.

      The malevolent AI villain in System Shock 2? I fail to see the connection...

      You've made your point...now shut it down.

      Yes. They've made their point. Now it's the job of the manufacturer to shut it down, since people anywhere on the planet can run a similar service, and there's not dick you can do about it without a policing treaty, and extradition treaty, and a willingness to spend a lot of money following up the events.

    3. Re:You've made your point...now shut it down. by excelsior_gr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm afraid I have to agree. This search engine needs to receive as much publicity as possible, not get swept under the rug. Only then, I hope, will the people become aware of how orwellian the IoT really is.

  4. Re:Let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Calm yourself and then understand one thing: there is no breaking in going on, here. These cameras are broadcasting this shit directly to all comers, wide open to the world. No one is "tak[ing] a hammer and break[ing] into someone's home," they're standing on the sidewalk looking into the front windows where the home builder didn't bother to install any blinds.

  5. Re:Let me get this straight... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

    If I were to create a device that can be hacked by someone else, then my customers and I are to blame for the act of someone hacking it?

    If you make a house that opens the door and throws the owner's jewelry at the person who rang the bell, damn straight you are at fault for making the stupid thing in the first place, and the owner for not locking the door when he goes out.

    Nobody is "hacking". The act of a port screen is more like door knock or doorbell ring than walking through a parking lot trying every door handle for one that's unlocked.

  6. Re:Let me get this straight... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    If a company sold locks that couldn't be locked or were too trivially pickable, and advertised them as locks, you can guarantee there would be (and historically has been) more or less equivalent blowback.

    Electronic locks used on hotels? Or the programmable key locks that a lot of people use on their house? You can still bust them open with $50 of off the shelf hardware. That's been going on for 4 or 5 years now, and the amount of blowback has been minimal.

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  7. Shodan *started* as a webcam search engine by kriston · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure if everyone already knew this but Shodan *started* as an non-secured webcam search engine back in 2009.

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    1. Re:Shodan *started* as a webcam search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's actually incorrect. I launched the search engine with the idea of it being used to empirically gather market intelligence ("Netcraft for everything"). And the first search queries that the infosec community ran were for printers. Webcams only came around much later.

  8. Offering data to the public Internet by Morgaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An AC wrote:

    People who don't secure their systems and devices are to blame for someone breaking into them?

    There was no breaking in.

    If you provide data to the public Internet without any form of restriction, you can't then validly complain when the Internet public sees that data. You offered it publicly, and the public took you up on your offer.

    This isn't anything like breaking and entering, nor even like someone walking through a door which you left wide open. It's much more intentional on your part than that:-- you offered data to the public by creating an unrestricted access port on the Internet, your offer was accepted when someone opened that port, and then you deliberately sent your data out to that recipient. It was your choice, before and after you made the offer to the public. Nobody can force you to send your data if you don't want to. Your system wasn't hacked to change its code to something that you did not intend.

    The closest analogy I can make is to imagine yourself standing on the sidewalk in the high street, an open sweet jar in one hand, and the other hand outstretched offering sweets to passers by. The highstreet is the public Internet, and your invitingly outstretched hand is the open port. If someone takes hold of the sweet, you can still prevent it from being taken by holding tightly onto the wrapper (an access restriction, perhaps you want to check that recipients are smiling first).

    But if you first offer a sweet and then release it, you don't get to complain --- it was your visible intention to hand out sweets to passers by, and nobody can read your mind, only your actions. If you don't understand this then perhaps you don't grasp how Internet protocols work, and you would be best advised to stay well clear of the Internet.

    You may wish that Internet protocols worked some other way, perhaps using ESP, but they don't. They work as they were defined.

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    1. Re:Offering data to the public Internet by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      If you provide data to the public Internet without any form of restriction, you can't then validly complain when the Internet public sees that data. You offered it publicly, and the public took you up on your offer.

      Was it their choice though? Were they aware that the device is exposed?

      Part of the blame lies on the manufacturer if they make it too easy for an uninformed person to leave the device in an unwanted state. Bad design.

    2. Re: Offering data to the public Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are so beyond wrong here, and very emotional about your response as well.

      People are putting private data on a public medium, in many cases without so much as a login password. Completely open. There's a certain level of personal responsibility here. Framing this is some sort of crime ignores the reality that people are doing things like this out of ignorance, but ignorance does not remove people from being responsible for their actions.

  9. Gardens by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    ...front gardens, back gardens...

    Aha! But not side gardens! Those have better privacy...

  10. IF THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG... by gavron · · Score: 2

    ...they they don't need to worry about the surveillance.

    And the parents who put these protections in place, that's just like our big brother the NSA and GCHQ putting protections in place for us. No encryption necessary. Hope no bad guys get a hold of this.

    But if you're doing nothing wrong... ...you have no reason to worry.

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  11. Re:Let me get this straight... by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    A service like shodan only increases public awareness, anyone who actually has malicious intent will have their own method of discovering insecure devices and no intention of publicising their activity. Publicity does not benefit those with malicious intent, as the publicity will cause at least some people to improve the configuration of their devices.

    If you keep this information out of the public eye, it gets forgotten and overlooked and then the number of vulnerable devices only increases to the benefit of the actually malicious people who want to take advantage of them.

    And yes often the device manufacturer is at fault, some devices cannot be reasonably secured and for others the manufacturer provides weak defaults and doesnt do enough to force users to change them.
    Some devices these days come with a random password printed on the device, that's perfectly reasonable and prevents casual attackers using blank or default passwords.

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  12. IoT: Internet of Trouble

    Lets see....cheaply-made products produced and sold with barely a nod to security, installed by users who are likely to be as clueless as they could possibly be, all connected to a worldwide network easily accessible by lots and lots and lots and lots of malicious people with too much time on their hands.

    What could possibly go wrong??

    Trust me, you ain't seen nothin' yet. I'd wager that 98% of all of these consumer-grade gadgets are going to be easily hackable in their default configuration. It's only a matter of time- eventually one of them will cause a serious injury or death, or at the very least some kind of significant property damage.

    You want your refrigerator to be internet enabled? Great! But should it also have the unfettered ability to turn the temperature down and spoil all the food?

    You want door locks you can control from the other side of the world? Great! But should any Joe Blow with a free hacking kit be able to unlock your doors at will?

    You want to be able to remotely turn on your stove and start heating some water? Great! But should it blindly start "heating" a cardboard box left sitting on the burner because some dickhead in Moldavia can bypass your login?

    You want an internet-enabled thermostat? Great! But should some malicious asshole be able to turn off your heat in the dead of winter when you're on vacation, freezing your house and causing your water pipes to burst?

    Don't get me wrong- I think the overall idea of IoT is fascinating and holds great promise, but mark my words... like anything else it's gonna be abused too. Unfortunately I think it's going to take some major-league lawsuits before manufacturers start taking the security aspect of it seriously.

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