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Privacy Ombudsman Could Handle EU Complaints About US Surveillance (betanews.com)
Mark Wilson writes with this story from Beta News: One of the greatest problems facing anyone trying to tackle the problem of privacy on the web is dealing with the ideologies of different countries, and how this affects data sharing. A level of surveillance that is deemed acceptable in the US, for instance, may be considered completely objectionable in another. The latest suggestion to help overcome this seemingly insurmountable problem is to set up a privacy ombudsman that would be able to handle European complaints and queries about US surveillance.
That would be zero without a warrant issued by a public judicial system with oversight and accountability.
Ombudsmen, dispute resolution policies, mandatory arbitration. Fuck this. If corporations want to be people, then I want to be able to sue them for breaking the law and violating my rights. If foreign governments spy on me, I want to be able to get a restraining order on them.
...with one large circular file.
Silence is a state of mime.
What about European surveillance then? I don't know if there is anything going on on the EU level but some member states (Sweden in particular) already does the same kind of mass surveillance that the NSA is doing. I would not be surprised if other states does the same thing as well.
A level of surveillance that is deemed acceptable in the US, for instance, may be considered completely objectionable in another.
I think what they mean to say is that in some European countries and the EU itself, people still have rights guaranteed by a constitution and and the countries are not ruled by a bunch of thugs who consider it a minor inconvenience that can and should be ignored. The text should have read " .... deem acceptable by the thugs who rule us .... ".
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
The California Franchise Tax Board has Ombudsmen.
Being paid by the state, you can guess their answer when you raise a grievance against the state...
Europeans generally have a higher trust in their own government, than a private cooperation.
We especially do not trust large foreign corporations.
I don't mind paying a little extra for my goods in the short run, if this can prevent large corporations gaining too much power in the long run. (Yes, this might hamper 'competition' for them)
As long as it is a level playing field, European rules in Europe, and US rules in the US.
How would the Americans react if most of their data was spied upon (E-Mail, credit card transactions, corporate trade secrets) by foreign private cooperationâ(TM)s and government agencies in e.g. China/Russia/Europe.
What stands out is that it would be a EU office, following EU laws, so I don't know why you refer to American agencies or laws.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Then read the damned article:
No, sorry, this is Americans suggesting they put up their own privacy ombudsman to oversee how America does at violating EU privacy laws.
So, I'll tell you what, let the Americans make a request to EU agencies who are already under this jurisdiction, instead of creating some bullshit fantasy where an American agency is trusted to do it.
What, you think Americans would accept a fucking Chinese ombudsman overseeing snooping into American citizens?
America does not have the credibility for this. This is the fucking fox guarding the hen house. Because if it is in any way under the sway of the US government, they'll just invoke secret security laws and make them lie about it.
Bullshit, this is just a dodge to get around oversight and following the laws. Handling complaints from Europe when the ruling will be that you've complied with the law even if it's a lie?
Yeah, right, tell me another one Pinocchio.
Wah wah wah .... stop pretending like the rest of the world needs to be acceding to US snooping like it's your right. Nobody else believes that shit but you.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Thanks for pointing it out!
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the latest proposal to be floated by the US is the creation of a privacy ombudsman. The independent overseeing body would be charged with not only checking that data transfers between countries were carried out correctly, but also will be handing complaints from Europe.
This is indeed a wholly different issue and I agree with those that are sceptical, modern US law (not just privacy!) is way to fragile to make for an independent ombudsman, I hope the EU politicians will simply carry this idea to it's grave.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
The amount of surveillance that is considered acceptable in the US isn't even acceptable within the US to anyone except primarily the older generations who know nothing about it and are voting based on a position of ignorance and fear of what they don't know.
We just have an issue of the older generation also being out biggest voters which is what is causing much of our problems as they are voting based on a rose tinted yesteryear that doesn't exist anymore and for many of them never existed to begin with outside of their own memory. We need to get younger voters who can actually stand up to them because, as it stands now, they are collectively selling out their children's and grandchildren's futures trying to make their retirements easier all while calling people who have it worse than they did lazy when the younger generations are working harder just to put a roof over their head than they did providing a life for their family. And they keep mistaking improvements created by technology for improvements at a societal level and telling them to do stuff that they did growing up which are no longer viable options anymore.
And it is kinda sad watching people who could drop out of high school and still get a job that paid well enough to make a career out of and support a family telling college graduates how easy they have it and how lazy they are for working a job and still being too broke to support themselves and how if they don't like their job they can just go and get a new one all the while neglecting the world they grew up in is not the world he grew up in in those regards.
What about that?
While some may call it hypocrisy if those nations do it to their own citizens, it doesn't justify the mass surveillance from a foreign entity.
How do you think the US government would react if it became public that those EU countries, that spy on their own people, targeted the US population? Perhaps they'd also invite the Russians and Chinese to the party.
The US government should not be allowed to behave like a rogue state. I'd like to see an EU agency handle complaints. I don't believe that self regulation can work, or any agency run by the US regime. Self regulation was tried with the financial sector, and breathtaking levels of criminality resulted. Illegally spying on the citizens of other countries should be dealt with in the countries against which the crimes occurred. Those who were responsible should be stripped of diplomatic immunity, declared persona non grata, have their assets frozen, and be subject to international arrest warrants. If the US refuses to deport them, there should be sanctions instituted against any companies with which they are involved. Since most US politicians are apparently taking 'contributions' [known as bribes in the rest of the world] from corporations, that would rapidly lead to some corporate pressure against this kind of criminality.
It would be only prudent to assume that those nations in question at least tried to spy on their supposed friends.
Yes, governments are spying on their own people, which is against the constitutional rights of most of those countries. But the fact that there's already this kind of injustice, does in no way justify even more injustice.
I am totally sure that the NSA will take whatever this privacy ombudsman says to heart, and make real changes to what they do. Facebook is sure to do this as well. As well as the zillion ad companies.
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This should appear as writing on the wall to the elite that NWO/One world gov't just ain't going to work out but they sure as hell are going to screw a lot of things up trying aren't they? To the masses this appears as inbreeding...