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The US Government and Open Standards: a Tale of Personal Woe (thevarguy.com)

An anonymous reader writes: This article details a Linux user's struggles to submit a grant application when the process requires finicky, proprietary software. It also covers familiar ground made timely by the upcoming elections: the U.S. should prefer open source software and open standards over proprietary alternatives. The grant application required a PDF created by Adobe Acrobat — software Adobe no longer supports for Linux. Once the document was created, attempting to submit it while using Ubuntu fails silently. (On Windows 7, it worked immediately.) The reader argues, "By requiring Acrobat the government gives preference to a particular software vendor, assuring that thousands of people who otherwise would not choose to use Adobe software are forced to install it. Worse, endorsing a proprietary, narrowly supported technology for government data poses the risk that public information could become inaccessible if the vendor decides to stop supporting the software. Last but not least, there are privacy and fairness issues at stake. Acrobat is a totally closed-source program, which means we have to take Adobe's word for it that nothing sketchy is going on in its code. ... It would seem to be in the interest of the public for the government to prefer an open source solution, since it is much harder to hide nefarious features inside code that can be publicly inspected."

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  1. who here can fix that? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "On Windows 7, it worked immediately."

    Oh, you fixed it. I don't have time to be outraged about this. Get a citizens united corporate backing and fight, otherwise fuck off Bennett hassleton.

    I didn't ask why I should care, I know that. I just don't have time to do more than ask if anonymous helpless cares more than just preach to the choir.

  2. Re:Not that crap again by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    since it is much harder to hide nefarious features inside code that can be publicly inspected

    Not THAT crap again.

    Heartbleed should put that right to bed.

    I don't understand your point here. It was found and then fixed in a few days, and the patches were widely released to anyone willing to update. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to: the fact that a single critical bug garned that much attention should give you an idea of how uncommon it is.

    In contrast, Adobe Reader has had not one, not two, but 26 different cripplingly severe vulnerabilities in the last six months alone, and that's only because I got tired of counting after #26. How many people patch Adobe Reader? Would you like to compare Libreoffice to Microsoft Word, FreeBSD to Windows, or Internet Explorer to Firefox? Maybe Apache to IIS, or perhaps OpenJDK to Sun java? Amarok to Itunes? Our very own Adobe Reader to Okular or Evince?

    Open source software does indeed have a demonstrably better security record than closed source software, that is undeniable. Further more, even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter because the statement was that it was easier to discover vulnerabilities in open wource software. And he's right. What do you rather do: read source code, or dissassemble a binary?

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  3. Adobe Acrobat by wisnoskij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... Is the worst program to use to create PDFs. Just use one of the free applications.

    PDF is the open standard for sharing documents. Adobe does not offer any open source or free creation tools, but there are half a dozen great PDF creation tools available some of them open source, many of them free.

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  4. Re:Not that crap again by darkain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To add to this: why the hell does it even matter if one particular software solution contained a serious security issue? The whole point of having open standards is the ability to have multiple software solutions all capable of interoperably working on the same data formats. This is one area where HTML shines, though HTML isn't quite well suited for physical paper print material though.

  5. Linux supporters again denying real problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While Linux hasn't always been known for having the most supportive community, things have gotten particularly bad lately.

    Like your comment shows, it's getting quite routine for a user to describe some problem they're having with open source software, and instead of getting anything resembling help we instead see Linux and open source supporters just flat out deny that the problem exists. This isn't a case of giving snooty answers, or even just ignoring the questions. It's outright denial we're seeing now, typically without any sort of evidence to support this denial.

    It's an extremely disrespectful attitude to have, and when you direct it towards somebody asking for help then you'll most likely just drive them away to proprietary software.

    We see this attitude from the GNOME 3 community, which now consists of a small number of people trying to force their awful software on a much larger community. These GNOME 3 supporters just deny that the UI is now unusable.

    We see this attitude from the systemd community. Again, this is a relatively small number of people trying to force their awful software on a much larger community. These systemd supporters just deny that their init system is bloated, full of architectural flaws (binary logging and doing everything are to examples), and has caused a lot of people a lot of problems.

    We see this attitude from the Firefox community. Once more, this is a relatively small number of people trying to force their awful software on a much larger community. These Firefox supporters just deny that the UI is now awful, that there are performance issues, and that there are years-old bugs that haven't been fixed.

    When users come forward with problems with GNOME 3, systemd or Firefox we just see open source supporters like you treat these people like they're total shit.

    It isn't Microsoft, or SCO, or Apple, or Adobe, or any other company that truly harms the adoption of Linux and open source software. It's the Linux and open source communities themselves who cause this harm, all thanks to how poorly they treat so many of the users of this open source software.

  6. Re:Not that crap again by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is one area where HTML shines

    It is also an area where PDF shines. PDF is a license free open standard, and there are open source tools that can generate and manipulate the format. It isn't as easy to work with as HTML, but it isn't that hard either. TFA is just uninformed whining. PDF is a perfectly acceptable open format for the government to use, and it is a big improvement over requiring something that is actually proprietary, such as MS-Word.