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A Legal Name Change Puts 'None of the Above' On Canadian Ballot (foxnews.com)

PolygamousRanchKid writes: The ballot to fill a legislative seat in Canada next month includes none of the above—and it's a real person. Sheldon Bergson, 46, had his name legally changed to Above Znoneofthe and is now a candidate for the Ontario legislature, the CBC reports. The election is Feb. 11. The ballot lists candidates in alphabetical order by surname so his name will be the 10th of the 10 candidates as Znoneofthe Above, according to CBC. One of his opponents is running on the line of the None of The Above Party. Maybe the American folks can learn from their cousins up north? Shouldn't every election have a line for "None of the above"? I can't wait until Little Bobby Tables hits 35.

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  1. One word by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Brilliant!

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    1. Re:One word by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "None of the above" is nice but doesn't really fix the problem of strategic voting. If we're going to change the ballot, I'd rather get rid of plurality voting altogether. Change it to a ranked, approval, or any of the numerous systems which are better than plurality.

      My favorite site for explaining the problems and some of the potential solutions:

      http://www.cgpgrey.com/politic...

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    2. Re:One word by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Change it to a ranked, approval, or any of the numerous systems which are better than plurality.

      Plenty of countries use, or have used, these alternatives to plurality voting. There is little evidence that they lead to better government. In fact, there is little evidence that better reflection of the will of the people leads to better government. If you want to really reform the system, we should get rid of voting based on geography. Of all the issues I care about, almost none of them are specifically tied to the state I live in. Rather than a senator representing the people of California, it would be better to have one senator representing all the nerds, another representing all the construction workers, and yet another representing all the medicare recipients, etc. Each voter can then pick whomever best represents their views and interests, regardless of where they live.

    3. Re:One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      there is little evidence that better reflection of the will of the people leads to better government.

      That's a pretty subjective thing to say. Arguably, the relative wealth of the western world may be due largely to its preference for democracy, which makes it harder for specific individuals or parties to wield too much power. What kind of evidence were you expecting?

      No one is saying the people are effective leaders, but putting power in the hands of the stupid population is still way better giving it to the corrupt. Because of plurality voting, the people only have influence in one component (the principal component), and the two dominant parties get to control all other components. That's ridiculous. A run-off system would take all the power away from those two major parties. Can you seriously look at world history and say that there is little evidence that distributing power more evenly would be better? Come on!

    4. Re:One word by YukariHirai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you want to really reform the system, we should get rid of voting based on geography. Of all the issues I care about, almost none of them are specifically tied to the state I live in. Rather than a senator representing the people of California, it would be better to have one senator representing all the nerds, another representing all the construction workers, and yet another representing all the medicare recipients, etc. Each voter can then pick whomever best represents their views and interests, regardless of where they live.

      I agree that representation based on geography is very flawed, but I'm not sure that form of interest-based representation is much better. There's no easy answers to how to get this, but what's actually needed is a system that encourages politicians to legislate and act based on the balanced interests of all the people, rather than the current system of pandering to whoever's politically convenient at the time at the cost of people who actually need the help more.

    5. Re: One word by uncqual · · Score: 2

      How would that make any sense? The second place candidate can be VERY unpopular in a lopsided election.

      If a universally popular Presidential candidate got 99.9% of the popular vote, and the second place candidate (a serial pedophile) got 0.1% of the vote (having cornered the pedophile vote, the anti-establishment vote, and the "unable to mark ballot correctly" vote), why should someone that less than 1 in 1000 voters wanted as President be one heartbeat away from becoming the President?

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    6. Re:One word by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2

      A pure democracy wouldn't work well in any case other than very small systems of government. Especially in a modern society, there are simply too many issues before the Congress overall, let alone all the states, for the people as a whole to understand what they'd be voting on. (I'm aware that members of Congress often have not actually read the bills involved, but theoretically, they're a group that has the time to understand what's before them. What we're talking about here is largely theoretical anyway.)

      We see this in the regulatory environment. The reasons that the FCC, FAA, EPA, and others get authority to create regulatory law is because even Congress knows that it can't understand the nuances of these fields and so provides for agencies to handle the law themselves within certain boundaries. If they go beyond the boundaries, Congress can rein them in.

      Other than representative democracy, I don't see means by which this situation could get better. Representative democracies are subject to manipulation, but every so often, enough people get upset at the status quo that changes happen. We saw this to a small extent in the US with the Tea Party, and the fragmtentation of the Republican Party for the 2016 presidential election suggests that it's ongoing or even expanding. Were a fragmentation like that to happen simultaneously in the Democratic Party, it might actually kick some major changes into happening.

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    7. Re:One word by Chas · · Score: 2

      Honestly, most of your options don't lead to demonstrably better selections.

      With an option to vote for "None of the Above", voters have a way to tell the various political entities "None of these assholes are acceptable. Try harder."

      Then give the parties 45 days to find and prep another candidate (who can't be one of the rejects).

      I can almost guarantee that we'll stop seeing these huge, clout-heavy, money-munching campaigns when said asshat candidates can be told "Oh that was cute. Now run along!"

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    8. Re:One word by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Rather than my usual novella...

      Anyone advocating a strict, pure political ideology, as a solution is an idiot. A pure democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. The tyranny of the masses is a serious threat and I'd expect that the stupidity of the masses would be far more terrifying. There is no pure political ideology without huge failings at a scale of meaningful size.

      Fortunately, this is usually addressed in some way and, as you indicate, there are no pure democracies and the word has changed meaning. Hell, it's changed meaning so much that I feel inclined to differential by calling it a pure democracy instead of just a democracy.

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  2. ... Puts 'Znoneofthe Above' on Canadian Ballot by nuckfuts · · Score: 2, Informative

    FTFY

  3. I'd love to see "None of the Above" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What's more, if it won, the election should be rerun with none of the previous candidates allowed on the new ballot.

    1. Re:I'd love to see "None of the Above" by hawk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nevada requires that None of the Above appear for all statewide offices--and this includes presidential electors.

      hawk

  4. I want every ballot to have a "none of the above" by RichMan · · Score: 2

    Every ballot should have a "none of the above" option with special rules if "none" wins. If none wins then no one who ran is ever eligible to run again at this level of civic election and none of them are entitled to any rebates, refunds or other campaign support in anyway from the general public purse.

    The purpose this none of the above option would be to make sure all candidates engage and encourage voters and don't waste our time.

  5. Re:misleading advertisement? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    People being too stupid to read being allowed to vote might be outlawed shortly after.

    I'd consider that a good thing.

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  6. Why was this allowed? by l2718 · · Score: 2

    As far as I understand, at common law you can go by whatever identity you like as long as it's not for fraudulent purposes. Legally changing your name, on the other hand, requires going in front of a judge and providing some justification. In particular, this change is done for the purpose of gaming the ballot and gaining an unfair advantage, and the judge shouldn't have allowed it.

    Has Canada changed this tradition?

  7. Re:Hey! That guy stole my idea! by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Too late. That and variations on it have been tried in several countries -- so far with little success as far as changing outcomes is concerned.

    From what I remember (and it may be urban legend as it has been a long while since I heard of it) some guy once registered a whole bunch of phone companies with names like "anyone", "the first one" etc. So that when people were wanting to be connected by the operator (this was way back when) and the operator asked them which long distance service to use the callers not caring who they were routed through replied with things like "anyone" etc so that their response matched one of these companies. The operator then duly connected them via the explicitly named company. The kicker was that it the back end he leased his service from the main players but charged a huge premium above what a regular long service would charge.

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  8. Not new. by ledow · · Score: 2

    A guy did this at a little local election near my workplace.

    He was an idiot, but changed his name to None of the Above in protest.

    Come election time, there was an option for "Of the Above, None". The idiot forgot to check how names were listed on the ballot. It was quite funny.

    That was until the next month when the guy came to the school I was working for in the middle of the night and thought it funny to glue up all the locks, including the fire doors.

    The reason I was originally aware of him was because he was canvassing parents leaving the school (and it was only a primary school) so vigorously that they made complaints. So he was asked to leave by a member of senior staff. There was a scuffle, and a child was injured. The police came, took him away.

    Then he came back a few months later and gummed up all the locks in the middle of the night. The police came again, arrested him and charged him with trespass on a school property and criminal damage.

    What do you want in a guy you vote for? Of the above, None.

  9. Re:Plurality by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 2

    60%? That high? I'm lucky if I see someone from another state who matches my stances by even 25%, let alone my state which is stupendously conservative.

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  10. Re:Plurality by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

    Plenty of European countries do this and it results in a different set of problems. First, to vote for a party which matches your views such a party has to exist, what happens in practice is that parties which aim at large sections of the population form, because they have the greatest chance of election. Second having a parliament full of multiple parties means none of them usually has a clear majority and so you frequently get weak coalition governments. Third it's almost impossible to get rid of politicians because the established ones make sure they are high on the party lists, so they will get in no matter what. This takes away their connection to their constituency and their sense of responsibiity to their electorate.

    Don't forget that you can end up with somebody winning who actually represents a small minority--that the majority of people could have easily agreed against, but because they failed on agreeing sufficiently on who else that person won anyway--and you can actually end up with greater polarization than in a two-party system since paradoxically the size of that 'large section of population' is smaller, especially if you indulge in salami tactics & generally aim to divide and conquer...which is a good way to ensure the situation of 'person the majority would vote against winning' will happen.