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U.S. Forces Viewed Encrypted Israeli Drone Feeds (theintercept.com)

iceco2 links to The Intercept's report that the U.S. and UK intelligence forces have been (or at least were) intercepting positional data as well as imagery from Israeli drones and fighters, through a joint program dubbed "Anarchist," based on the island of Cyprus. Among the captured images that the Intercept has published, based on data provided by Edward Snowden, are ones that appear to show weaponized drones, something that the U.S. military is well-known for using, but that the IDF does not publicly acknowledge as part of its own arsenal. Notes iceco2: U.S. spying on allies is nothing new. It is surprising to see the ease with which encrypted Israeli communications were intercepted. As always, it wasn't the crypto which was broken -- just the lousy method it was applied. Ars Technica explains that open-source software, including ImageMagick was central to the analysis of the captured data.

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  1. As always? by aliquis · · Score: 2

    As always, it wasn't the crypto which was broken -- just the lousy method it was applied.

    So I should just know that and expect that at all times?

    What about how good the military is in using it? Shall I also assume it's always implemented in bad enough ways?

    (Speaking of which: Storage encryption, boot drive SSD with built in encryption? HDDs with software encryption? Multiple layers? I wonder if Slashdot would want to make a post about suggestions for how to keep your data private.)

    1. Re: As always? by guruevi · · Score: 2

      A) don't trust hardware crypto unless you have verified its open source firmware and compiled it yourself or run a comparison test in software. Self-encrypting anything is pointless because you can just steal the entire machine to circumvent it, it is only useful when you discard just the drive. You should always use a software crypto for your entire volume to be sure your stuff is both encrypted and compatible with other systems.

      B) rely only on open source software with crypto stacks the government (NIST or NSA) doesn't have a hand in or if you do, those that have been mathematically proven for longer than a few years.

      C) don't write your own crypto, if you are a smart developer offer patches and write implementations of your obscure crypto for libraries like OpenSSL, that way it can be vetted by others and pointed out where you go wrong. Also don't trust libraries with small amounts of no-name developers or those that just accept everything in the name of speed, user-friendliness, modern methods or agility.

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    2. Re:As always? by iceco2 · · Score: 1

      Poorly applied crypto is far more common than weak crypto.
      We see many mistakes: No IV, ECB mode, keeping weak version along with strong, weak keys, error correction underneath encryption and many more.
      In this case they didn't actually apply encryption to the entire feed only rotated the lines pseduo randomly, and the decryption did not require breaking the key nor even figure out which encryption algorithm was used.

      As for how good the military is in using it? well The Israelis got caught with their pants down, the US had their totally unencrypted feeds captured by Taliban in Afghanistan, and had a drone hijacked in Iran.
      So If two of the most technologically advanced militaries are obviously making embarrassing mistakes, do you think any military is safe?

    3. Re: As always? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      B) rely only on open source software with crypto stacks the government (NIST or NSA) doesn't have a hand in or if you do, those that have been mathematically proven for longer than a few years.

      Feel free. You might find out a couple of decades later that you've been vulnerable the whole time by your own choice.

      Data Encryption Standard

      Some of the suspicions about hidden weaknesses in the S-boxes were allayed in 1990, with the independent discovery and open publication by Eli Biham and Adi Shamir of differential cryptanalysis, a general method for breaking block ciphers. The S-boxes of DES were much more resistant to the attack than if they had been chosen at random . . . Bruce Schneier observed that "It took the academic community two decades to figure out that the NSA 'tweaks' actually improved the security of DES."[13]

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    4. Re:As always? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      And how do you fully, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt trust the closed, proprietary hardware crypto implementation in your SSD/HDD?

      Even if they can break it the best protection may be that they will not want to reveal that (for the possible offence.)

      If they can break it people would find out once they start using the data from them.

    5. Re: As always? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      I don't really know how it works, if I did I wouldn't had asked.

      My impression though is that the key can be regenerated in the hardware you've got so the company behind the product don't have the key from manufacturing it at least.

      Now when I read something which explained how it supposedly worked that one mentioned comparing two hashes (one made earlier and one generated by the password you entered) to see if they matched and if so decrypted the key for decryption and copied it to the right place. Since that can be done I wonder if how it's decrypted is known / sits in the hardware or (as I guess it would had been preferred to happen) the hash of the password was used to generate the decryption key for the actual media key. In the later case I guess it may not be possible to actually get the correct key out of it without getting the correct password and if they don't have that ..

      The advantage over software encryption would be what risk having something done in software (running on the same processor and in the same RAM as other things) would introduce and also if there was any performance hit, but maybe there is none with current processors supporting AES? Please tell.

      One can of course do both.

    6. Re:As always? by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Your boot drive and HDD encryption is moot, because you end point (=PC or crappy phone) is not secure and your passwords are shite. No need to break any encryption.

      One could use uncommon software from a fresh image each time or so to limit the risk of running compromised software.

      Someone could install a key-logger on the keyboard though.

  2. There is some predecent by rmdingler · · Score: 1
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  3. Re:Weaponized drones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the drone feeds could be valuable information for human rights advocates. Israeli forces have a history of violating human rights

    If you're actually interested in human rights violations, instead of just protesting whatever is trendy at the local SJW chapter, look at what is being done by the Palestinians. Israel is not perfect, but to protest Israel and ignore what the Palestinians are doing is just intellectually dishonest and ignorant.

  4. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Israeli spy agencies have a huge reputation in the spy game for skill, guile and ruthlessness.

    And war crimes.

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  5. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's only a war crime if you lose.

  6. VideoCrypt by WD · · Score: 1

    As always, it wasn't the crypto which was broken -- just the lousy method it was applied.

    Where on earth did the information to back up this difficult-to-parse statement come from? The video was encoded with VideoCrypt. VideoCrypt, which was released in 1989, has a number of ways that it can be attacked. Including brute force, which was used here in the form of the Antisky app (from 1994).

    1. Re:VideoCrypt by iceco2 · · Score: 1

      As I read the information, It was encrypted in a similar fashion but not necessarily identical. Specifically I suspect a different crypto system was used but it still only rotated lines in the video. They used image processing techniques to restore the only partially garbled image, the did not break the underlying crypto nor did they recover the key. The may not even understand which underlying Crypto algorithm is used to decide how much to rotate each row. They break the system without breaking the crypto, which is common.

    2. Re:VideoCrypt by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 1

      > Where on earth did the information to back up this difficult-to-parse statement come from?

      RTFA

      "The manuals stated that video feeds were scrambled using a method similar to that used to protect the signals of subscriber-only TV channels. Analysts decoded the images using open-source code “freely available on the internet” — a program known as AntiSky."

  7. Re: Weaponized drones by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

    There will be no peace until all of gaza's rocket launching hospitals and preschools get glassed.

    So you're suggesting the Nazi option (Godwin rule in effect) which was the final solution?

    Just goes to show Jews learned well from when they were oppressed to know how to do the same to others.

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  8. It's U.S. technology anyway by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When one considers the $8 billion we taxpayers are forced to hand over to the apartheid state of Israel each year, combined with technology stolen by traitors such as Jonathan Pollard, it's not as if we didn't have a right to the images.

    Besides, since they deliberately attacked the USS Liberty in international waters, claiming they couldn't see the American flag flying and didn't know it was a U.S. ship despite repeated radio transmissions in the clear stating as much over a 20 minute period, we need to be sure the next time they attack us they can't use the same excuse.

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    1. Re:It's U.S. technology anyway by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about the $2 TRILLION and counting we the taxpayers handed over to Iraq? That is cool, right?

    2. Re:It's U.S. technology anyway by jopsen · · Score: 1

      it's not as if we didn't have a right to the images.

      I'm no fan of Israel and their inability to make peace... But if you want to call them allies, maybe you should just have asked nicely, and offer to share your drone videos.

      Spying on allies should be limited to what you can read in the news paper.. or hear in a public forum.

    3. Re:It's U.S. technology anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the $100 billion we're giving to Iran, the nation that funds Hizbollah - a well known and violent terrorist group.

    4. Re:It's U.S. technology anyway by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      When one considers the $8 billion we taxpayers are forced to hand over to the apartheid state of Israel each year, combined with technology stolen by traitors such as Jonathan Pollard, it's not as if we didn't have a right to the images.

      The figures I've seen suggest the US aid is Israel is only about half that, and much of that is military aid that is used for purchases of US built equipment.

      Israel cooperatively develops technology with the US military, including missile defense technology.

      The USS Liberty incident occurred during active hostilities among multiple belligerents in the area almost 50 years ago. Has there been some kind of repeat problem that would cause you to bring that up now? Do you think Israel has been patiently biding their time for 50 years to lull the US into a false sense of security? When do you think the actual attack might be? At 75 years? 100 years?

      Israel isn't an apartheid state. It is slander to claim that.

      Israel has many injustices. But it is not an apartheid state
      In South Africa, I saw real apartheid up close. These claims against Israel are a distraction from the battle for justice for Palestinians

      I saw Nelson Mandela secretly when he was underground, then popularly known as the Black Pimpernel, and I was the first non-family member to visit him in prison.

      I have now lived in Israel for 17 years, doing what I can to promote dialogue across lines of division. To an extent that I believe is rare, I straddle both societies. I know Israel today – and I knew apartheid up close. And put simply, there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid.

      The Arabs of Israel are full citizens. Crucially, they have the vote and Israeli Arab MPs sit in parliament. An Arab judge sits on the country’s highest court; an Arab is chief surgeon at a leading hospital; an Arab commands a brigade of the Israeli army; others head university departments. Arab and Jewish babies are born in the same delivery rooms, attended by the same doctors and nurses, and mothers recover in adjoining beds. Jews and Arabs travel on the same trains, taxis and – yes – buses. Universities, theatres, cinemas, beaches and restaurants are open to all. . . .

      How does that compare with the old South Africa? Under apartheid, every detail of life was subject to discrimination by law. Black South Africans did not have the vote. Skin colour determined where you were born and lived, your job, your school, which bus, train, taxi and ambulance you used, which park bench, lavatory and beach, whom you could marry, and in which cemetery you were buried.
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      Israel is not remotely like that. Everything is open to change in a tangled society in which lots of people have grievances, including Mizrahi Jews (from the Middle East) or Jews of Ethiopian origin. So anyone who equates Israel and apartheid is not telling the truth.

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    5. Re:It's U.S. technology anyway by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The money was not handed over to Iraq, the money was handed over to US defence contractors in the war for profit. You seriously are crazy enough to suggest Iraqi's got any benefit at all from that $2 trillion dollars. Iraq as just an excuse to funnel that money to the likes of Darth Cheney's Halliburton. Israel gets that money or the arms and munitions (not targeted and detonated like Iraq).

      This just points that most drones are only really about targeting those who can not defend themselves, mass murdering basically unarmed individuals from a distance.

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  9. Re:Weaponized drones by dj245 · · Score: 2

    the drone feeds could be valuable information for human rights advocates. Israeli forces have a history of violating human rights

    If you're actually interested in human rights violations, instead of just protesting whatever is trendy at the local SJW chapter, look at what is being done by the Palestinians. Israel is not perfect, but to protest Israel and ignore what the Palestinians are doing is just intellectually dishonest and ignorant.

    There's a huge difference between an ethnic group which uses violence because they are being oppressed and mistreated, and an occupying power that uses violence in an attempt to stop or defend against that violence. It's a situation where naturally, violence begets violence, and "retaliations" and "reactions" will continue indefinitely.

    If you treat people unfairly, they will act out. That's true for my 4 year old son, it's true for the people who work under me, and it is true for Israel and the Palestinians. Most people don't act out without good reasons. If you give a man a place to live, security against violence, a way to make money, and opportunities for his children to have the same or better life when they grow up, that man will focus on taking care of his family and getting on with his life. Even very impoverished people are generally happy with those elements. The fact that this kind of life is not available to many people who live in Gaza or the West Bank is the reason for the violence on the Palestinian side.

    Focusing on the fundamentals of why people are acting out is the only way to solve them. The Palestinians don't have the power or the money to fix these things alone. Israel does, but every house they destroy, every factory they demolish, every field they bulldoze, and every restriction they put on Gaza is working against actually solving the real problem.

    Nobody is ignoring what the Palestinians are doing. Both sides employ violence. The violence has lasted for decades- there are clearly underlying problems that can't be solved by violence. In that sense, I would put forth that the violence on both sides is irrelevent and a distraction from the real problems of housing, job security, and opportunities for the young people.

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  10. Re: Weaponized drones by gtall · · Score: 1

    And the Arabs have learned a lot too from the Nazis. The majority will agree they have peace when all the Jews in Israel have been killed...in their defense, that is what the Nazi propaganda they use as truth tells them.

  11. Re:Weaponized drones by gtall · · Score: 1

    You are using the typical Western idea that any conflict can be divided down the middle, Solomon's solution.

    No one in the Middle East thinks that way. You can explain it to them until the end of time, but there is no listening when their religions tell them they are correct and those other bastards will rot in hell.

  12. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And war crimes.

    You mean victor's justice? Careful, first you need the victory.

  13. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    It's only a war crime if you lose.

    Said everyone who ever committed a war crime.

    Look, nobody's hands are clean when it comes to war crimes in the Israeli-Palestinean conflict, and anybody who says anything different is selling something. But there's so much hatred on both sides after generations of fighting, being the political "other" in domestic politics in both places, terrorist attacks, invasions (excuse me, "settlements,"), etc... that nobody's clearheaded about it either. The sheer vitriol both sides have for anything that disagrees with their own narrative makes it practically impossible to imagine a solution that will take less than a century.

  14. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The cases you've cherry-picked barely scratch the surface. They're not even the most recent examples.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

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  15. Re:This wouldn't be a Slashdot post... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    On another topic, do you have any insights into why Mein Kampf continues to be popular in the Arab and Muslim worlds?

    Better question might be why it continues to be popular in parts of Northern and Central Europe and the US. Answer? Because bigotry is a chronic disease.

    Oh, by the way, you can think badly of the Israeli government and policies without thinking badly of Jews. Dislike of Bibi Netanyahu does not equal antisemitism.

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  16. Re:Weaponized drones by cavreader · · Score: 1

    "It should be no surprise that Israel has weaponized drones" This is especially true seeing how a good bit of US drone technology was developed in Israel. It's never been a secret that Israel uses armed drones.

  17. Re:Weaponized drones by Sun · · Score: 1

    In that sense, I would put forth that the violence on both sides is irrelevent and a distraction from the real problems of housing, job security, and opportunities for the young people.

    At long last, an anti-Israeli sentiment that I do, actually, agree with.

    So what's next? How do you improve the Palestinian housing, job security and opportunities, when any Dollar you put into the area goes into corrupt officials pockets? How do you give them opportunities, when Hammas will use those employment opportunities in order to carry out attacks?

    Do you know that Hammas has viewed, up until not long ago (possibly still), the Palestinian poverty as an advantage? They're afraid that if the Palestinian standard of living increases, that the support they get will dwindle.

    I'm not saying there's nothing Israel can do. I'm also happy to say that this point it finally getting more attention in Israel. Still, the Palestinian have had a lot of control over their own situation, for quite a lot of time now, and have, with the exception of Salam Fiad's short tenure as PM in the west bank, failed to use it to improve things.

    Shachar