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Apple Developing Wireless Charging For Mobile Devices (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Apple is currently working with partners in the US and Asia to develop wireless charging for iPhone and iPad. Mobile devices with wireless charging capabilities could be released as soon as next year. Apple has not released the specific details on the range that could be available, but as far back as 2010, Apple applied for a patent to use an iMac as a wireless charging hub for distances of 1 meter. In 2014 it applied for a patent on specialized housing for a mobile device with an integrated RF antenna, which would also allow for wireless charging by helping to eliminate the problem of metallic interference with charging signals. Apple would apparently be building on these ideas to create a new iPhone or iPad that could charge further away from the hub, while continuing to be used.

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  1. health concerns by SumDog · · Score: 2

    I remember seeing that experiment in high school with a Tesla coil powering a tube light without having to touch it. Aren't there health concerns with that much electricity in the air though?

    1. Re:health concerns by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Nothing that wrapping yourself in tinfoil won't prevent.

    2. Re:health concerns by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, Tesla's dead. That's all the proof I need.

    3. Re:health concerns by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      Scroll down the front page.

      Only a few hours ago, someone was demanding Apple release a "killer" device.

  2. Re:been done by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

    Another factor: How efficient is it - I predict a considerable transmission loss too, and in this era of energy saving dictates it might be a bad idea.

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  3. Apple Wireless Charging by maxrate · · Score: 3, Funny

    INNOVATION

    1. Re:Apple Wireless Charging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple is looking on a new technology for distance charging of a wireless device – rather than placing the phone on a charging mat, a customer can actually walk around with the device, using it while it charges.

      Are there any phones on the market that can do this?

    2. Re:Apple Wireless Charging by aaron4801 · · Score: 3, Insightful
  4. Why this is special by JonathanF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those who'll say "it's been done before:" no, not like this.

    Current wireless charging amounts to dropping your device on a pad. You can't grab your device to use it (since you'll break the power link), and of course this limits just where your device can sit.

    The Slashdot post (and the source link) undersells the story. Here, Apple would have wireless charging that doesn't depend on resting the device on a contact pad -- you'd just have to get within range of the charger. Imagine plunking down your iPhone anywhere on your desk and knowing that it'll top up. This kind of technology has been discussed for a while, but hasn't really been implemented on a practical level.

    1. Re:Why this is special by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It would be extremely shortsighted for apple to make it an iMac exclusive. Although I wouldn't put it past them.

      Hoping it lives up to the hype. It's 2016 and everyone seems to have "hover boards" that neither hover or resemble boards. Lets not make the same mistake with wireless charging. Just say no to pad type.

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    2. Re:Why this is special by hawguy · · Score: 2

      For those who'll say "it's been done before:" no, not like this.

      Yeah, one of my coworkers has a wireless charging Android phone of some sort, and every time someone bumps his desk it "breaks".

      That said, given Apple's track record the past half-decade (in my experience, at least), I wouldn't be surprised if their offering is terribly buggy as well - at least at the software end of things.

      I think I'd be more annoyed at people repeatedly bumping my desk hard enough to make my stuff slide around than I would at having to reposition my phone on the charger. Though I just tried it with my desk - my charger is "sticky" enough to grip the phone so when I bump the desk hard enough, the charger and phone slide together, the phone doesn't slide off the charger.

    3. Re:Why this is special by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine plunking down your iPhone anywhere on your desk and knowing that it'll top up.

      I'm imagining sitting down at my desk with my iPhone in my pocket, and having my balls microwaved. I think I'm not going to be a beta-tester for this one.

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    4. Re:Why this is special by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Intel demoed something similar a few years ago, running a monitor with wireless power. It's less impressive than it sounds, as they were really only sending maybe 10W maximum, probably less.

      Any more and it gets dangerous. Even the paltry amount they managed is problematic. If Apple really has cracked this it would be a major breakthrough, which is why I'm sceptical.

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    5. Re:Why this is special by irrational_design · · Score: 2

      Birth Control - It's a feature!

    6. Re:Why this is special by George_Ou · · Score: 4, Informative

      WiTricity has been demoing the only feasible technology (resonant inductive power transfer) since 2009. They can actually reach out a few feet without worrying about getting blocked by clothing or body parts or orientation of the receiver. But the media has forgotten them in favor of utterly unworkable solutions like Ultrasonic Power Transfer which can't go through objects and require exact receiver orientation and alignment to work. https://www.ted.com/talks/eric...

      The challenge is whether WiTricity can deliver useful range range and sufficiently shrink the receivers to be thin enough to be in a smartphone. Useful range is likely a few feet which means it's much shorter than a typical cable. We're also looking at a minimum of 50% losses which might be acceptable for a smartphone, but we know there are plenty of people who have no qualms charging their 400 watt HDTV or 40000 watt car like this.

      The real revolution we're seeing in smartphone charging is USB-C with a higher Power Deliver profile. Next generation Samsung phones coming out can be charged in around 20 minutes which means a charge rate of 3C. Batteries can be pushed up to 5C to get charge times times down to 12 minutes which means 6 minutes can fill up most semi-discharged smartphones. Fast charging is far more useful than being stuck in a 3-foot area for 2 hours waiting for the phone to fill up.

    7. Re:Why this is special by KGIII · · Score: 2

      I hope that is a work desk, that you're in a cubical, and that you tried varied amounts of force. It's not that I don't like you, or anything. I just have this picture of people staring at you as if you're a lunatic and it'd be disappointing were it not true.

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    8. Re:Why this is special by Altus · · Score: 2

      I don't think the gp intended to imply that but given things I have seen from Apple before I would expect this to be built into their desktops at least. So that they can charge wireless keyboards and mice

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  5. Tesla. Heinlein's Waldo. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    It's an old idea, expanded on greatly by Robert Heinlein in "Waldo", in which the whole world was powered wireless, including spaceships.
    It's telling how much Edison and Westinghouse buried Tesla's work for a century. God, they hated that man.

    1. Re:Tesla. Heinlein's Waldo. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      Not only Edison, but I got an electrical engineering degree and Tesla was not mentioned once. Neither was Edison for that matter. Same in all the physics classes that I took.

  6. Re:been done by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's one thing that's bugging me with all these wireless charging ideas. I don't care which company makes it, wasting energy for the sake of not having to connect a wire is the perfect example of "First world problem".

    Engineers: Hey everyone, we figured out a way to save 5% of our energy!
    Tech companies: Great, because all our new devices waste over 50% of the energy they use every day!

  7. Re:Snapple by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it will be good because ive yet to see a non pad type wireless charger in the wild. However I worry about apples rabid lawyers who will probbably sue anyone who try's to make anything similar.

    Anyone remember the magsafe connectors? Very few other companies are using similar connections even today.

    Decent magsafe type headphone and power connectors for other devices are just now starting to come out this year and I've yet to see any of those in person either.

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  8. Re:been done by mikael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Definitely get a pair of wireless headphones - no more cables for the dog to trip over, or to get pulled out when there's a sudden emergency downstairs. But the only problem is charging via USB.

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  9. Re:Snapple by Barbarian · · Score: 3, Funny

    It will be incompatible with everything else on the market and the drones will hail Apple as the first one to bring it to market, oh and it will be inefficient as fark and make peoples metal dental work buzz.

    It will be 5% efficient, the other 95% will be lost to the reality distortion field.

  10. Re:been done by ganjadude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    sure its been done, but just like micro USB, you cant expect apple to use those common technologies. they have to have their own!!!

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  11. Re:been done by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's one thing that's bugging me with all these wireless charging ideas. I don't care which company makes it, wasting energy for the sake of not having to connect a wire is the perfect example of "First world problem".

    Agreed. Apple spent the last decade making their technology more and more energy efficient. This seems like it is a step straight backwards. You still have to have a device plugged into your wall with a cable up to some sort of charging plate, so (ignoring any theoretical differences in ease of waterproofing) the sole difference between wireless charging and wired charging from a user's perspective is saving about two seconds when you get home at night, and half a second to unplug it in the morning. Even if you're only losing one or two percent, if every device did this, it would add up to real money.

    I don't buy the Qi folks' argument that it makes it easier to keep it on the charger all the time, so people will do so. Apart from technology workers who sit at a desk all day, that isn't very practical. People don't leave their phone off the charger all day because it is inconvenient to plug in a cable. They leave their phone off the charger all day because they want to always have it with them, and it is too much hassle even without having to plug it in. And when you factor in the percentage of iPhone users who keep their phone in a case (and thus would get dramatically worse transfer efficiency), the entire concept seems borderline insane.

    Now if you told me they were going to bundle a wireless charging station for the Apple TV remote—a device that you pick up several times an hour while in use, that you don't put in a case to protect it, and that you want to always be able to grab without worrying about whether it is charged—that would make a lot of sense. But a cell phone? It just seems like a frivolous waste of power, not to mention space inside the device. And with people already complaining about inadequate battery life, with entire industries springing up to provide pre-charged external battery packs at airports, and with even Apple getting into the external battery pack market, wasting space inside the device for a charging feature that saves at most a few seconds per day seems like just about the dumbest idea I've ever heard, with the possible exception of the rumor that they're going to remove the headphone jack....

    Then again, Apple's whole charging story is making less and less sense with every passing year. My parents recently bought one of the new Apple TV models, and we were shocked when we realized that although they provide a lightning cable to charge the remote control, they didn't bother to include a USB port on the device to plug that cable into. So unless you have some other device to use as a charger, when you get an Apple TV in the mail, the very first thing you have to do is go out to the store and drop another twenty bucks on a charger that Apple should have provided as part of the device for a unit cost of maybe five cents....

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  12. Re:been done by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Even the most expensive pair can't hold a hand to a set of affordable top of the line headphones. That's the thing, you can spend $500 on an okay set of wireless headphones, or you can spend $500 on about the best headphones money can buy. You're making compromises regardless of how much money you spend.

    I have both types. But I only use the wireless set for watching TV at night.

  13. Re:So... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The difference here is that Apple's purported solution requires no physical contact with the device. No mat, no pad, just use your device anywhere within the range of the charger and it'll charge wirelessly, over-the-air.

    They certainly didn't invent it, and it isn't innovative at this point, but if they're the first ones to put it into widespread use, they'll likely reap a lot of well-deserved credit in the media.