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Price Dispute Means 800k Customers Lose TV Channels In Sweden (telecompaper.com)

Z00L00K writes: Due to a conflict between the cable operators and the channel providers, 800,000 to 900,000 customers will lose some of the most-viewed TV channels in Sweden, among them Eurosport, Discovery Channel and Animal Planet. Additional customers in Norway will also lose channels. This is caused by a considerable hike in price for the channels from the provider Discovery Networks. However the amount of money involved is still kept secret for negotiation and business reasons. "Telenor Broadcast arm Canal Digital said Discovery Networks has told it that it will withdraw its channels from Canal Digital Sweden and sister company Bredbandsbolaget from 01 February. This follows Discovery's attempts to raise prices and pay for a number of channels that viewers had not chosen. This will affect their approximately 800,000 customers while a new contract is negotiated. Telenor Sweden customers will not able to watch Kanal 5 or the other Discovery channels until a deal is reached." Considering that Sweden has a population of almost 10 million the impact is noticeable.

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  1. More serious problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm one of the affected Norwegian customers, and frankly couldn't care less that some channels are gone. What -I- want to know, is why I cannot buy broadband without having to pay for a lot of nonsense TV content. No one in my family watches TV anymore, and the consumer authorities have already pointed out repeatedly that this bundling practice needs to stop.

    1. Re:More serious problem by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I live in Iceland and I'm wondering if I'm going to be affected; I think our channels are based on yours (at the very least, the commercials on them are in Norwegian).

      I like to use some of those channels as "background noise" while I'm working on a project. Nothing so interesting as to draw too much of my attention, nothing so annoying as to make me angry at it (describes most of the stuff on History these days), but also nothing so tediously mundane as to not give me the benefit of "background". Discovery Science commonly suits the bill, sometimes NatGeo, sometimes BBC, etc.

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    2. Re:More serious problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bundling reduces prices. Your cable/TV company sell you to advertisers. It's as simple as that. It's the same all over the world. If you don't like it, stop kidding yourself the ISP is only what you pay. Cancel everything to do with TV, the STD/DVR etc, and pay the price for online only. It sucks, I know. But we've been doing it for over four years now, and it's just the way things are, and it'll probably never change because there's too much money involved.

      That lack of competition doesn't really help us. Countries where ISPs aren't limited to cable TV infrastructure fare better.

    3. Re:More serious problem by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try listening to the radio.

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  2. Re: And nothing of value was lost. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was somewhat amazed by the claim that Eurosport was one of the most viewed channels here. So for fun I went to mms.se to check how they did yesterday. Three of their shows climbed above 5000 viewers, with one peaking at 35000. Most were in the 1000-2000 range.

  3. Affects about 1 000 000 viewers in Norway too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The issue is even bigger here in Norway, where it affects almost 1 000 000 customers. Since our population is about 1/2 of that of Sweden, it means that almost 20% of Norwegian TV customers are currently missing all of DIscovery Networks channels, including several national ones.

    1. Re:Affects about 1 000 000 viewers in Norway too by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wouldn't say they're "missing" them Bob.

  4. Re:Oh my God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Logarithmic TV FTW !

  5. Discovery Channel is all BS reality TV now by JeffOwl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Discovery used to be pretty good, maybe 15 years ago. Now it is all reality TV with fake drama to disguise the fact that the same things happen over and over. It went from being one of the best channels to one of the worst, or maybe it's just in the middle because most of the rest suck just as bad. I know I'm going to get backlash for being one of those guys, but I'll say it anyway: ditch your TV subscription and get your shows over the air and online. Yes, yes, I'll concede you may want satellite if you live out in the boonies because OTA is out of range and you can't get decent internet speeds.

    1. Re:Discovery Channel is all BS reality TV now by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      At least PBS has quality content still, honestly. Nova has gone down hill a bit in presentation, but that's a generational culture thing. As a Gen-Xer, personally despise anything with hype, melodrama, and electric guitar riffs in a DOCUMENTARY! Frontline OTOH, still golden; probably the best non-biased documentary series out there.

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  6. Huh? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Price Dispute Means 800k Customers Lose TV Channels In Sweden

    Slow down, Mr Headline. They haven't lost them yet.

    This follows Discovery's attempts to raise prices and pay for a number of channels that viewers had not chosen.

    Huh? Discovery wants to pay for some extra channels?

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    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Based on the limited information given, sounds like they want to subsidize less popular channels by raising prices on more popular channels.

  7. Time to give the consumer total choice by Bruce66423 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given that it would be trivial for consumers to be able to pick the channels they want individually on a website and then pay for them for them individually, the fact that bundling is still occurring is a sign that there's an industry here that deserves disrupting. And lo - Netflicks is doing exactly that. Let's hope for some legislation to mandate a 'pick the channels you want' option...

    1. Re:Time to give the consumer total choice by swb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Given the land rush for decent, original content by Netflix and Amazon and a few cable channels that haven't given in to "reality" shows featuring has-been B-listers screaming at each other, I'm surprised that this would be a business priority for Discovery.

      I would think they would rather invest in decent content while they can still compete for it so they will have something to show. Jacking up the price on junk content sounds to me like the way to become irrelevant faster than they already were.

    2. Re:Time to give the consumer total choice by jratcliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do realize that Netflix is a bundler as well, right? You can't go to Netflix and say "I just want to get Beasts of No Nation, Orange is the New Black, and House of Cards." You have to buy the entire service.

    3. Re:Time to give the consumer total choice by Bourdain · · Score: 3, Informative

      In a sense you're right but at the same time, it's a better value than most any other [bundled] channel in that it
      1) has no commercials
      2) wide variety of content all on demand
      3) costs less than any other channel available a la carte
      4) offers multiple stream plans

      you can always go pure a la carte but that's oddly more expensive in the form of buying just what you want from amazon

  8. It's almost as if... by Vermonter · · Score: 2

    The subscirption TV model in use today is bulky, expensive, and antiquated. Now excuse me while I go back to watching Netflix.

  9. Who knows what a summary is anyway. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

    The quote in the summary is literally the entire article. The added text around the quote actually makes the summary quite a bit longer than the linked article.

    1. Re:Who knows what a summary is anyway. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give timothy some slack right now - he appears to be the only one left.
      Unless, of course, it's the new owners that submit using timothy's account.

    2. Re:Who knows what a summary is anyway. by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      I think it's far more logical to assume that Timothy's the only one left and that he hasn't slept for the last few days. Because before the new overlords, there wasn't any typos or mistakes.

  10. Supply and demand by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ah. Alas another example of the law of supply and demand failing because the client is not the client and the supplier is not the supplier, as everything is forced through middlemen.

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  11. Cut the cord by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are sick of these perpetual price increases. Cable is the only product I can think of that is constantly decreasing in value yet always increasing in price, well above the rate of inflation.

    Enough is enough.

    I cut the cord back in July, and I've not missed it. And better yet, my dollars are no longer fund channels like MSLSD or CNN.

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  12. meh by Rich_Lather · · Score: 5, Funny

    Television is a medium, so called because it is neither rare nor well-done. -Ernie Kovacs

  13. again? by Mirar · · Score: 2

    again?

    Last year, same issue, different channels:
    http://www.sydsvenskan.se/kultur--nojen/700-000-hushall-kan-mista-tv-kanaler/

  14. Can Sweden Survive This Catastrophe? by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    So a few thousand Swedes might lose access to Shark Century, Ice Road Fuckwits and Cannibal Hillbillies of Alaska?

    Oh, the humanity!

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  15. Re:Maybe I'm Stating the Obvious But... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

    You're stating what's obvious to nerds and people who are aware of alternatives, but for the rest of the world, things like Netflix are just words they hear a few times per year.

    So yes, the more the old telecom powers lose their grips on their markets by asking for more money instead of less, the more alternatives are getting known by necessity.

  16. The mother of invention by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Coming soon to computers in your area: a more consumer-friendly, untraceable Torrent interface.

  17. TV DIED with LONG paid for ads by the consumers. by MindPrison · · Score: 5, Informative

    TV is DEAD, long live the TV.

    Advertisement revenue on traditional TV has been on a downhill run - the short term solution puts the FINAL nail in the coffin for TV, and that is the ...ok then, we'll just increase the number of ads and cover our usual income that way.

    In Sweden (or Norway, Denmark etc.) we pay for 3 licenses:

    1) The National TV license. This one is MANDATORY if you have a television. It's roughly 300$ a year, and you can't opt out unless you have NO TV or RADIO.
    2) The second license is the one you pay for your subscription channels, that is...if you want something BESIDES the NATIONAL "we-will-kill-you-with-culture" channels.
    3) The THIRD license is the forced Advertisement which consists of pretty exactly 5 minutes of ADS (30-50% Casino/Gambling ads) and 2.5 minutes of ADS and SPONSORS for the TV channels next tv programs, which they will repeat over and over until you're a dumb monkey salivating as you try to reach the remote, now that finger pressing is just a body-twitch.

    The worst part is that you PAY for all of the other stuff and STILL get forced to watch those horrible repetitive Casino-this-gamble-that ads.

    I rarely watch "broadcast" television anymore, I usually spend my time on the internet, and/or watch PAID for documentaries and movies on Netflix and other services where I can TURN off the goddamn ads!

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  18. Some decisions have huge effects by DriveDog · · Score: 2

    ...in the long run. No cable company should ever have paid anything for any channel or broadcast that carried advertising. Either ordinary (ad supported) channels or premium (no ads) channels. Period. Now look what a mess we have. Cable companies caused this, and when they first did, they weren't even competing with anyone.