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Carbon Nanotube Films Stronger Than Kevlar (acs.org)

ckwu writes: Carbon nanotubes are exceptionally strong and stretchy. But so far, films made out of them have come nowhere close to having the mechanical strength of individual nanotubes. Researchers now report a simple fabrication method to make carbon nanotube films that are five times as strong as those made before—and stronger than films made from Kevlar or carbon fiber. The films had an average tensile strength of 9.6 gigapascals. By comparison, Kevlar fibers and commercially used carbon fibers are around 3.7 and 7 GPa, respectively. The films are also four times as pliable as conventional carbon fibers, able to elongate 8% on average.

39 comments

  1. Space elevator by Eloking · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yah! We can start talking about space elevator again!

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    1. Re:Space elevator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not so much interested in space elevator technology rather than flexible spacesuit technology and whether or not this material could be 3D printed.

    2. Re:Space elevator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yah! We can start talking about space elevator again!

      I realize this is sarcasm, but... how many gigapascals do we need for a space elevator again?

    3. Re:Space elevator by aaron4801 · · Score: 2

      This estimate says you'd need 130 GPa to be in the right range. As of the writing, (three years ago), that was about as strong as nanotubes had been made, but only in incredibly small lengths. Scaling that up to 100,000 km is the hard part.

    4. Re:Space elevator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Space elevator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 9.6 GPa average is, I believe, for one tube (see TFA, esp the video). 15 tubes (very reasonable) should give you your 130 GPa, assuming that tension / tensile strength can be maintained for any arbitrary length tube. IIRC, the 130 GPa included the weight of the fiber on itself with some extra for the ascending system and payload.

      An actual elevator would have redundancies and need to test tensile strength to have a minimum, not an average tensile strength as listed in the article. The first part is doable based solely on the data above; analysis for a realistic minimum tensile strength requires enough data to do a statistical assessment for reliability and actual usage--data which was not in the article.

    6. Re:Space elevator by Scotland · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. GPa is a unit of *pressure* -- i.e. the force that can be carried in tension per unit of area. It applies to a material in general, not to a shape or particular amount of a material.

      The material they created is not a single nanotube (or 15), it's uncountably many of them spun/squashed into a sheet, with a 9.6 GPa maximum tensile stress (i.e. pressure).

    7. Re:Space elevator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you increase the supportable force by increasing the cross-sectional area, you're not getting any extra tensile strength. (GPa = GN/m^2)
      15 tubes will give you 130GPa only if using 15 tubes didn't increase the cross sectional area.

      Put another way, if the expected a given elevator cable cross sectional area with the 130GPa material, you'd need 15 times that with a 9.6GPa material, which may not be feasible. You're also adding a lot more material to the whole structure, which may in turn increase the needed strength.

  2. No thanks by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not buying into obsolete technology. I'll wait and see what Graphene can do.

    1. Re:No thanks by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not buying into obsolete technology. I'll wait and see what Graphene can do.

      What about if you roll up sheets of graphene to make little cylindrical tubes. Then use them as fibres. IOW you may wish to consider the relationship between carbon nanotubes and graphene.

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    2. Re:No thanks by aliquis · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not buying into obsolete technology. I'll wait and see what Graphene can do.

      What about if you roll up sheets of graphene to make little cylindrical tubes. Then use them as fibres. IOW you may wish to consider the relationship between carbon nanotubes and graphene.

      Carbon... Call me when they make tubes out of diamonds instead.

    3. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here we go with the graphene shit again.

    4. Re:No thanks by gb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes well, you'll be asking for carbon free diamonds next I suppose.

    5. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more confused that he hasn't been modded funny (since carbon nanotubes are a cylindrical graphene).

    6. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what's whoosh made out of?

    7. Re:No thanks by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Forget the carbon, I'll take the free diamonds.

    8. Re:No thanks by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 3, Funny

      what's whoosh made out of?

      Graphene and fairy dust.

    9. Re:No thanks by Accordion+Noir · · Score: 1

      If somebody starts to shit graphene, they'll be rich. If it's survivable.

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  3. Biological Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hi.

    Sheets and other shapes of carbon nanomolecules are known to have sharp edges that can tear up biological structures (cell membranes, for one). It is not clear if or how these carbon nanomolecules interact with biochemistry, or into what compounds the nanomolecules degrade (by nature or human effort) and what effect those breakdown products have on life chemistry.

    Where do we stand with testing the biological safety of these potentially magnificent compounds BEFORE we poison ourselves again by mistake, as we did with organometallics (dioxins, PCBs), synthetic estrogens (plastics), heavy metal pollution (pthalates, mercury), etc., etc.)?

    Signed,

    A Biologist

    PS Your best defense is a solid-block carbon water filter. You're welcome.

    1. Re:Biological Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      $Compiler Message - Warning: unbalanced parenthesis line 9

    2. Re:Biological Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheets and other shapes of carbon nanomolecules are known to have sharp edges that can tear up biological structures (cell membranes, for one).

      So sandwich it between layers of something else. I don't think anyone's suggesting we wrap people up in carbon nanotube film like mummies.

    3. Re:Biological Activity by mukinrestak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah man, even if just a small amount of nanotubes escape, they can cause similar effects to asbestos (another microscopic fiber), http://www.mesothelioma.com/me... The source they link is a dead link, so have this from the CDC instead http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/... There's nothing wrong with being careful and thinking ahead, and there's evidence that nanotubes, while potentially very useful, are definitely a hazardous material that we shouldn't be using willy nilly.

    4. Re:Biological Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing gets in the way of technology or, more importantly, profit especially not something stupid like safety.

      If we got rid of all the poisons, i wouldn't be able to buy all this neat new stuff.

    5. Re:Biological Activity by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      heavy metal pollution (pthalates [sic], mercury)

      Phthalate refers to a group of chemical forms consisting of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. No metal.

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    6. Re:Biological Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, i have to understand how this compiler works, missing parenthesis is only a warning.

  4. Carbon nanotubes are a wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is there anything they can't do?

    Other than make it to commercial production that is.

    1. Re:Carbon nanotubes are a wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This

      +1

    2. Re:Carbon nanotubes are a wonder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. We have been hearing paeans on how wonderful carbon nanotubes and graphene are for - what? A decade now? I have yet to come across a single commercial product which uses them - much less a commercial product with jaw-dropping properties thanks to them. How much longer before these things make a difference?

  5. "annoyed grunt" by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Let's hear it for inanimate carbon tube!

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    1. Re:"annoyed grunt" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tubULE

  6. Give them an award! by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

    And the Oscar goes to.... Carbon nanotube films!

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    1. Re:Give them an award! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not gonna happen buddy: Carbon Nanotubes are Republican.

    2. Re:Give them an award! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the Oscar goes to.... Carbon nanotube films!

      Not at this year's awards--the carbon nanotube films are black.

  7. Don't buy the generic carbon nanotube film by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    Because when my wife lets the end of the roll slip back into the box, she will have to mail it back to the company to get it unraveled, rather than just waiting until I get home so I can do it.

    1. Re:Don't buy the generic carbon nanotube film by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      generic carbon nanotube film at the top of the hour

  8. I need all the help I can get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so this is great news:

    ... able to elongate 8% on average.

  9. Graphene by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://azcomp.us/media.html

  10. An exponential geometry makes it possible actually by Scotland · · Score: 1

    This is an amazing published paper on the feasibility of a space elevator.
    http://keithcu.com/wiki/images...

    The big take-aways:
    * Decreasing the x-sectional surface area by an exponential function as altitude decreases theoretically allows any material to be used, though the volumes required would be prohibitive for any but the strongest materials, and too steep an exponential function makes the geometries also not practically possible
    * A yield strength of 46.5 GPa only requires a max-to-min cross-sectional area ratio ("taper ratio") of 10. A lower yield strength would require a larger taper ratio.

    The material in this article has a yield strength of 9.6 GPa which is about 7.2% of the maximum strength of graphene and 20% of the way to 46.5 GPa, and I believe stronger than any bulk material previously manufactured. Reaching 46.5 GPa only requires 36% of the 130 GPa maximum strength of graphene, leaving lots of room for falling short on the actual average yield strength of manufactured product, and also including the required engineering safety factor in the design. And if we still fall short, we have some room to raise the taper ratio.

    This TEDx video describes spinning carbon nanotubes to give them more than enough strength, which is basically what these people in this article have done! It also addressed the other concerns of the Gizmodo article. Since this manufacturing is firmly in the realm of engineering, now, I would expect to see a regular rate of increasing strengths in produced materials, as the processes improve. http://spaceref.com/space-elev...

    TD;DR - Space elevator is entirely possible.