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Porsche Builds Photovoltaic Pylon, Offsetting Luddite Position On Self-Drive (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Porsche has just completed an impressive 25-meter high photovoltaic pylon. The construction, lonely in its current position and strongly resembling the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey, comprises 7,776 solar cells and is capable of generating up to 30,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per year. From 2017 it will power the elite car manufacturer's new Berlin-Adlershof Porsche center. Porsche is keen to show a progressive stance on its new range of electric vehicles, considering that it has no intention of joining the movement towards self-driving.

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  1. APorsche Self-Drive? by NicBenjamin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would any poor benighted fool pay money for a Porsche that didn't need to be driven? The entire point of their ridiculously inflated price tags is they're a joy to drive.

    1. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by SNRatio · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would any poor benighted fool pay money for a Porsche that didn't need to be driven? The entire point of their ridiculously inflated price tags is they're a joy to drive.

      er, no. The point for most buyers is to own it, talk about owning it, talk about how much better it is than brand-X, and be seen in it. The actual driving is done in stop and go urban traffic where the only joy would be a self-driving car.

    2. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I once thought as you did, this is untrue. Strangely, Porsche has few posers among their owners. Sure, there are some, but they really are few and far between. Most Porsche models don't actually cost enough to be "in" with the true poser crowd. Rather, they are usually owned by people who love to drive and love to drive a good car. My daily-driver Porsche just turned 40 and has well of 220k on it. It is used in amateur motorsports and as my daily 4-season driver. It drives better than any brand-new car I've ever driven from other manufactures. It is rattle-free after all this time and all this use. I agree, occasionally you do indeed find a prick driving a Porsche. When I bought mine I fully expected to meet a lot of jerks. But I was pleasantly surprised that most Porsche owners are simply people who love motorsports and genuinely love driving a proper driver's car. Live and learn I guess.

    3. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by Guillermito · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even if you enjoy driving most of the time, there are moments in which driving can be a hassle and self driving capabilities still make sense, even for a Porsche. For example: you might want to have an enjoyable ride driving your Porsche to your destination's door, and then let the car self drive to a parking spot and pick you up afterwards when you're done. Or perhaps you enjoy driving your Porsche on a rural winding road with no traffic, but you'd rather be working or reading when stuck in city traffic.

    4. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually agree. I drive a 20 year old pickup, and porche drivers seem interested in talking about my truck because they love cars. It's the opposite of most sports cars. Now, I'm not at all sure about the porche SUV thing ... never talked to anyone driving one of those, but they seem to be all middle aged women.

    5. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if Porsche invested a lot of money in self-driving research, they probably wouldn't get it first, or best. They would end up licensing the technology from Google or others.
      So might as well save their money and instead focus on their core competency, and if demand for a self-driving Porsche ever arises, license the technology.

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    6. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Most modern electronics in a Porsche regarding safety (lane detection, sign detection, speed control, automatic breaking, distance detection, rear and side radar, pedestrian detection etc.) is already bought from third party companies. If they make a few cars self driving, like their SUVs e.g. they simply will buy the remaining technology needed. I doubt there is any real licensing involved. Companies like Continental or Bosch sell "all in solutions" for driver assistance and soon self driving.

      I for my part can't wait for the self driving 24h race in Le Mans ;D Might be a nice background "picture" for my Mac, cough cough.

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    7. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      Or maybe you're just one of those pricks driving Porsche, and you don't notice that all Porsche owners you know also are pricks. ;)

    8. Re: APorsche Self-Drive? by prefect42 · · Score: 2

      I look forward to the day I can bemoan the boringness of driving a GT-R around a track.

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    9. Re:APorsche Self-Drive? by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      The sadness of driving my Carrera GT is that I keep asking myself, "what other dumb things these damn Porsche engineers did to hide their fundamental stupidity for emission requirements?" It's not exactly a surprise that the mandates had over 5 year heads up notice.

  2. Take care to leave your opinions out of the title! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just because many think self driving cars are a good idea, doesn't mean there are not valid reasons for not wanting to be a part of it.

  3. Fuck off with the Luddite comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not being a luddite to enjoy driving a car. And guess what Porsche's pride themselves of being?

    (Hint : DRIVERS CARS)

    1. Re:Fuck off with the Luddite comment by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

      >> Hint: DRIVERS CARS

      Hmmm...that's a hard one. Is the answer "CARRIED SVRS" (servers)? "DRIER SCARVS" (scarves)? Please tell us!

    2. Re:Fuck off with the Luddite comment by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2
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  4. This just in.... by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Porsche's photovoltaic pylon discovered to be consuming megawatts of electricity from the grid when nobody is looking, and spewing large amounts of nitrous oxide into the atmosphere.

  5. Units by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 3, Informative

    "capable of generating up to 30,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per year"

    This is an average power of 3.42 kW for those who hate people who twist units to create big, impressive sounding metrics.

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    1. Re:Units by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And 3.42 kW is 4.58 horsepower, so you won't be doing any meaningful car charging without a lot of these things.

      This sounds more like solar power just for the building. Somebody saw "Porsche solar" and "Porsche electric car" and assumed one must be connected to the other without checking the math.

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    2. Re:Units by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2

      Most people get a photovoltaic installation because it generates money, not because it delivers clean(-ish) decentralized electricity to the grid.
      And you get paid a given amount of c€ per kWh for this electricity.
      The average power output is interesting though, because it shows that it's not even enough to power 1% of a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S (521 PS = 383 kW).
      What a load of greenwashing bullshit.

  6. You must construct additional pylons by spiritplumber · · Score: 4, Funny
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  7. luddite? ignorant much? by sittingnut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    how is choosing one technology over another 'luddite'?
    did they threaten to destroy self driving cars? if not, they are not luddites.
    another example of typical overpriced 'education' is usa, resulting in careless ignorant exaggerated use of words, from people, journalist and editors, whose job is to use words.

    1. Re:luddite? ignorant much? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haven't you heard? Failure to champion any and all new technologies as being cool and useful makes you a luddite these days.

      That or the poster is a childish ass who felt a random need to inject a stupid opinion in the title, and Timothy went along with it.

      Tough call.

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  8. One isn't enough by JoshWurzel · · Score: 2

    You must construct additional pylons.

  9. They do, but it's stupid. by queazocotal · · Score: 2

    http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg...
    Selecting Berlin, for a 2-axis tracking mount, a 1kW panel outputs on average over the year 1300kWh, or 15% or so of nominal expected power.
    This is questionably above 900kWh (11%) for a non-pointed much simpler static mount.
    However.
    7776 'solar cells' - these are not solar panels.
    The pictured thing looks very much like a simple fixed vertical panel.
    This would come out to 700kWh or so/kWp of panel.

    If we assume they talk of germany - 'up to 30000kWh/year' would mean you'd need 42kW of solar panel.
    This would be around 230m^2.
    Checking https://vimeo.com/154154924 - it gives dimensions of 25*5.5m. This is 137m^2.
    This sort of vertically oriented panel is relatively insensitive to position on the earth - as it gets worse as you go towards the equator.

    Ew. I think I see what they're doing.
    If you cover a vertical panel of 25*5m in solar panels, and point is south/north, then you get 17000 out of the south-pointing, and 4290 out of the south.
    This is (in Berlin) 21300.
    If however, we put this in the sunniest part of Spain, we get about 28000, which could hit 30000 with optimistic assumptions.

    It's a truly terrible design though from most aspects.
    If we take 50kWp of solar panels in this design, and simply lay them out flat pointed southish and inclined, we get not 21000 in Berlin, but 48000.

    Putting it in the sunniest part of spain gets you 78000.

    The numbers for this also work for '7776' solar cells. Conventional solar cells used in panels produce about 6W for the cream of the crop.

  10. Re:Porsche != 'Luddite' by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 2

    I agree with what you said pretty much.

    I don't like driving at all and if someone gave me a Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini etc I would sell it and if I could get a self driving car I would otherwise I would just save the money for now. I look at cars as a way to get from point A to point B and I don't want to be bothered in any way by them.

    What I want is a safe self-driving electric car that can take itself to the repair shop or call for help when needed and arrange a replacement so I can worry about other things.

    The only problem is that insurance is based on risk pools. This means that as people switch to self driving cars the risk pool for cars that people drive shrinks and by definition they are the most unsafe drivers compared to the autodrive cars. This will mean insurance will go up and move people will stop driving their cars for money reasons and the insurance will keep going up.

    Eventually very few people will be able to drive their own cars no matter what their views on on it since they won't be able to afford the insurance. Not sure if I really like that endpoint very much but it would end up with a much safer world and much faster transport.

    Maybe there should be more tracks and designated areas for people to drive for themselves or something.

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  11. 30,000 KWh per year? by John+Allsup · · Score: 2

    Doing the maths, that works out at a continuous average of 3.4KW, which is slightly more than a single 13A socket in the UK. If we multiply by 3 (an overcompensation) assuming that those 30,000 KWh are collected during 8 hours of each day, that is still only enough to simultaneously run 3 kettles.

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    1. Re:30,000 KWh per year? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you plug a fourth kettle in, an ominous voice descends and tells you : YOU NEED TO CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!

  12. Up to 30,000 kWh by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...capable of generating up to 30,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per year.

    Gee - is that in everyday use, or only when it knows it's hooked up to a test station in a garage?

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  13. Re: A Porsche Self-Drive? by kenh · · Score: 2

    Considering normal people can't afford a car these days, owning one of those things is just gluttony.

    With over a quarter billion automobiles registered in the US, I find your initial assertion to be wildly incorrect.

    If cars were so unaffordable, please explain how 'normal people' are getting to work, going shopping, etc. without an 'unaffordable' automobile? Are they taking public transportation? Walking? Working from home?

    Wait, are you trying to lay the groundwork that car ownership is a right, and should be subsidized, just like healthcare?

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  14. A GT-R boring? Riiiiiight... by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Nissan GT-R already does that. It is boring on the track.

    If you believe that they you are either an incredibly jaded Formula 1 driver or you have never actually driven one on a track.

  15. Re: A Porsche Self-Drive? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    With over a quarter billion automobiles registered in the US, I find your initial assertion to be wildly incorrect.

    95% of the people don't live in the US, and Americans are not "normal". Most people can't afford a car.