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Free State Project Reaches Goal of 20,000 Signups (freestateproject.org)

Posted by timothy on from the galt's-quarry-is-close-enough dept.

Okian Warrior writes: As a followup to our recent story, at 11AM Tuesday, Free State Project president Carla Gericke announced the FSP had reached its goal of recruiting 20,000 participants. The 20,000 mark is significant, because it 'triggers the move' – the mass migration of the Free State Project participants who have all agreed to move to New Hampshire within the next five years. So far, almost 2,000 have already relocated to the state.

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  1. Authoritarians will always rule. by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Libertarians will never come to agreement as to whether not there is a duty to ensure that ALL people are equally free. This of course allows for Authoritarians to gain and keep power simply by promising to enforce a Conservative Libertarian agenda on Social Libertarians or a Social Libertarian agenda on Conservative Libertarians. Perhaps someday we will all agree to live and let live, but I fear that day is a long, long way off.

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    1. Re:Authoritarians will always rule. by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even if I'm against, laws prohibiting abortion force those who are not to bow to my beliefs and surrender their own. I guess it is kind of like gay marriage. There is a big difference between allowing homosexuals to marry and forcing heterosexuals to enter homosexual marriage. To my mind, Conservative Libertarians fail to see this obvious distinction.

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    2. Re:Authoritarians will always rule. by EzInKy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And what about my belief that stupid people should be shot hit the head?

      That is an Authoritarian viewpoint. A Libertarian view would be that all people are free to shoot themselves in the head.

      If you say something about my freedom stopping at his nose, then I remind you that the baby's right to live stops at the aborter's saline injection, scraping blade, etc.

      Abortion is indeed a deep question, and I would be all for making it illegal if the state incubated the fetus from conception and paid all costs involved in the raising of the resulting child.

       

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    3. Re:Authoritarians will always rule. by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Then why do I have the right to NOT donate blood that will save your life and let you die?
      Why do I have hte right to choose not to be an organ donor.

      Seriously why does my dead CORPSE have the right to let you die if it doesn't CHOOSE to be violated to save you, but a woman doesn't have that autonomy ?

      In every other case where bodily autonomy and a third party is involved the legal standard in every free nation is that you must opt IN, you must CHOOSE to save that life, you can't be forced to give up your bodily autonomy to save somebody else.

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    4. Re:Authoritarians will always rule. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ah the pro birth position libertarian position, where in, women must be forced, against their will, to have babies, because fetuses have more rights than living people.

      yet, the woman cannot have any public support for:
      -contraception, to prevent unwanted pregnancy, even though unplanned early life pregnancy is the single biggest derailment to a young low income woman's life plans
      -food stamps and welfare to care for the child she was forced to have
      -free education to better enable her to support herself and the child she was forced to have
      -free education for the child so he/she can escape the same cycle of poverty
      -free lawyers for when the mother or child does end up in jail (statistically ~20x more likely than someone in the middle class, both because of racial and economic factors)

      really this list goes on.
      here's the short of it: you're stupid.

      I don't support abortion myself, but the best way to prevent it is through education and contraception.
      and every time its been done its resulted in lower pregnancy rates and lower accompanying abortion rates.
      and when its been made universal through public funding, its been even more effective.
      and when all of that still fails, yes, it should still be legal to obtain an abortion if she chooses.
      if you truly believe that shouldn't happen, then you are free to raise the fetus from a test tube yourself, because you shall not force a woman to be an incubator.

      the rest of the civilized world knows this, and as part of their nationalized medicine, makes all of it available.
      and the result is that like, so many other sad pathetic statistics, the US is the only western nation with large numbers of unwanted pregnancies, especially of young low income women, and the only western nation where it leads to a cycle of poverty. one reason that our peers in Europe and Canada have a higher base level of economic output? they let women choose for themselves.

    5. Re: Authoritarians will always rule. by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Would you argue that if a man decides he doesn't want to pay for a child he helped conceive he shouldn't be forced to?

      As long as the woman makes the decision whether to have the child, which she should, the man should not have to pay child support if she chooses not to, unless he entered into a marriage contract with her first. Anything else puts all the responsibility on the man, all of the rights are the woman's, which is just a form of slavery. You're not a deadbeat unless you make promises and then don't keep them. I say this as someone who had a deadbeat dad who cheated on his wife, got divorced, then drank up the child support money. He made a commitment and then failed to follow it. There is reasonable justification for treating him like a criminal; he broke a contract.

      Only in the case of perpetrating a rape should the man have to pay child support out of wedlock, and a woman should have the absolute right to decide whether or not she has a child. Anything else is grossly unfair and puts all the responsibility on the man.

      ObDisclaimer: I have no children, wanted or un-

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  2. The "Free" Staters are looking to force... by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...their views on everyone they can. What else would you expect authoritarian dictators to do?

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  3. Re:May be too late by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That, and the right of revolt is right in the state constitution...

    "Live Free or Die" is the motto for a reason...

  4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, if they all vote as a well regimented bloc.

    Which if you think about it, implies a slightly ironic idea of "freedom".

  5. Re:Totally Revolutionize is a remarkable overstate by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and dispersed throughout the state.

    The thing is, they havent "dispersed" throughout the State .. the ones that have moved there already are mainly centered around Keene. Several dozen of them have already been elected to the State legislature. They took 12 State House seats in 2010 alone.

    You guys think whats going on there is just something that might happen in the future and probably wont work if it does, but its already happening and it is already demonstrably working.

    The plan was so sound that even a partial execution of it has already gotten results.

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