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Where Are the Raspberry Pi Zeros? (i-programmer.info)

Posted by timothy on from the hiding-with-the-other-zeros dept.

mikejuk writes: The Pi Zero was supposed to be available from November 26, 2015. It is now the start of February and all of the stockists, including the Pi Swag Shop, are still showing out of stock. That's two whole months, and counting, of restricted supply which is more than an initial hiccup. Of course you would expect enough to be made available initially to meet the expected demand. The Pi sells something in the region of 200,000 per month so what do you think the initial run of the Pi Zero actually was? The answer is 20,000 units. Of which 10,000 were stuck to the cover of MagPi and "given away" leaving just 10,000 in the usual distribution channels. And yet Eben Upton, founder of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, commented: "You'd think we'd be used to it by now, but we're always amazed by the level of interest in new Raspberry Pi products," Well yes, you really would think that they might be used to it by now and perhaps even prepared for it. At the time of writing the Pi Zero is still out of stock and when it is briefly in stock customers are limited to one unit.
A victim of its own success, yes, but the real victims are the Raspberry Pi's competitors.

111 comments

  1. the Schedules by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://www.raspberrypi.org/fo...
    basically there are 2 re sellers in the UK and 2 in the US
    they get alternative deliveries

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    1. Re:the Schedules by bangular · · Score: 2

      I've noticed Adafruit runs out of the zero within minutes of stock, but the more expensive "kits" may last several hours. I think it really comes down to the 5 dollar price point not being profitable and thus not being a priority. I'm sure at 35 dollars the B+ has at least _some_ wiggle room.

    2. Re:the Schedules by Racemaniac · · Score: 2

      And even without the schedules, the sellers will tell you when they arrive.
      I wanted one, so i kept an eye on pihut, and they announced on their twitter when they'd have new stock, so i made sure i was ready to buy one then, and got one of the second batch they sold. And i'm by no means someone who uses twitter (literally the first time i've ever had use for it, found the post by googling). But if you really want one, how hard is it really to just keep up to date a bit with the shop you know sells it... they know it's important for their customers, so they'll warn them via the channels they have of when they will be available :).

      If you don't have one right now, you just don't want it that hard, if you would have, you'd have taken the bit of time it takes to be up to date with when new batches arrive, and order one when it became available.

  2. I can understand small first batches by pijokela · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, the Pi Zero is pretty much useless, because it has no networking. No wireless, no wired. Nothing.

    So, if someone says they were not sure if people would buy them, I believe that. Looks like there are a lot of people that have completely different uses for their Pies than mine. Go figure.

    1. Re:I can understand small first batches by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 5, Informative

      The use case is much closer to that of an Arduino, than that of the Rasberry B. So, unless you are looking to do embedded type stuff, then you are probably not the right market.

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    2. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      My well meaning but non-tech savvy sister got me one for Christmas and I'm at a loss what to do with the thing. The lack of ethernet in particular makes it useless for just about anything I would use the thing for, the main selling point for me was always "arduino with effortless network connectivity".

    3. Re:I can understand small first batches by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      I've been in dozens of those meetings:

      Lone Idiot: "Let's make a million of them for the first run and see if anybody buys them."
      Everybody else: "Let's not."

    4. Re:I can understand small first batches by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      No wireless

      Less space than a Nomad too.

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    5. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just get USB ethernet adapter and its just as effortless. Of course that does eat up the savings you got by going with a Zero.

    6. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a bigger advertising campaign than anyone would expect and a disturbingly loyal and dedicated fan base.

    7. Re:I can understand small first batches by bangular · · Score: 5, Informative

      The zero is definitely in an awkward spot. It's so-so as a microcontroller replacement (no low power modes, limited number of analog inputs, inputs not 5v tolerant), but the price point makes it otherwise competitive. The ESP8266 is getting high level languages like Lua, micro python, and Basic and priced well. The "low power mode" sucks because it basically just resets the unit and doesn't have interrupt driven wake modes.

      I bought a zero and it will probably be my only purchase. It just doesn't seem to do anything special.

    8. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Well that's exactly it. This also negates the other big advantage of it's smaller size and takes up it's one USB port (meaning the usual use case of "network connected thing that drives some USB thing and pipes the data back" now requires a hub (possibly a powered one)...

      Sure you can make it work, but at that point may as well just use a regular rasp pi.

    9. Re:I can understand small first batches by bangular · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The ESP8266 seems to be the current competitor for "arduino with effortless network connectivity." They are about 5 dollars and actually available. Just as the pi, it has many limitations that dedicated microcontrollers solved years ago. I've been using a combination of ESP8266 and AVR lately instead of ESP8266 standalone.

    10. Re:I can understand small first batches by bangular · · Score: 1

      The pi actually has no analog inputs (I thought it had one).

    11. Re:I can understand small first batches by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      My well meaning but non-tech savvy sister got me one for Christmas and I'm at a loss what to do with the thing.

      Sell it on eBay, they're going for a premium. Win win: you unload a white elephant and somebody who really really wants one gets it.

    12. Re:I can understand small first batches by nojayuk · · Score: 2

      Looks like there are a lot of people that have completely different uses for their Pies than mine

      I'm waiting to get my hands on a Pi Zero. I don't need networking, wired or wireless, I don't need external storage or lots of RAM, it's for a single purpose task using a USB port and its video output to sit between a microscope webcam and a junkbox TFT display. Five dollars is a bargain, a regular Pi with all the extra bells and whistles is a waste of money for this project (basic image processing for automated inspection purposes).

      The Pi Zero has use cases. They're really not suitable for folks with connectivity requirements, external storage or elaborate interfacing but as a blobject for glueing some bits together they can't be beaten at that price.

    13. Re:I can understand small first batches by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      They are down under $2 shipped now and they come in varieties with more IO. Arduino code now runs on them directly.

      But you are right, they are finicky.

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    14. Re:I can understand small first batches by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It's even bad as an Arduino replacement. The Arduino is a microcontroller with no high-latency general-purpose computing paths; the Pi has system buses and a memory management unit. Where the Arduino can just go straight to hardware and RAM, the Pi has to dawdle around waiting for interrupts and timing systems to give access to devices, and has to wait for row precharges and other operations before it can access memory. A 10uS operation becomes a 2mS operation because of a memory stall.

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    15. Re:I can understand small first batches by citizenr · · Score: 1

      sales person: we sold 10 millions of pieceofcrap#1, we had a 5 month wait list first time we introduced it, pieceofcrap#2 is 4 times cheaper, we could sell one million in a day.
      marketing moron: but think of the PR if we run out of stock again!!1

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    16. Re:I can understand small first batches by swb · · Score: 1

      I, for one, welcome our new Lone Idiot Overlords.

    17. Re:I can understand small first batches by Rei · · Score: 2

      Since you have experience... I've often had interest in physical computing, but have never gotten around to learning / messing around with it. What would you find to be a good "introductory" system (for someone with lots of programming experience but only grade-school/100-in-1-electronics-kit/basic soldering/etc level electronics experience) for the purposes of, say, controlling steppers, variable-RPM drive motors, taking voltage readings, etc?

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    18. Re: I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'S' should not be capitalized to denote seconds. Just an FYI from your friendly AC.

    19. Re: I can understand small first batches by kenh · · Score: 1

      There are several different Raspberry Pi models:

      The original A ab B models, the B+ model, the 2 model, the Zero, and, the one everyone forgets, the Compute Module.

      They all have their use cases.

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    20. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arduino.

      If you want to work with and program the hardware itself, you need something simpler then the pi. The pi is not the greatest about connectivity to hardware, while an arduino mega will give you something like 50 digital pins and I believe more then 10 analogs.

    21. Re:I can understand small first batches by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 5, Informative
      The arduino fits this role perfectly. I have a few years experience building remote data collection sensors and very little computation ability is required You don't even need to do calibration, just record raw data. I was doing this on a TRS-80 100 in the 1980's with no problem collecting data (about 2 dozen sensors) over a few months time. Where the rpi would come in handy is its ease of use of large storage space. I think you can do that with the arduino also, but have not tried.

      One of the things I have planed to do with my rpi is to set up a remote station on a tall mountain about 12km from my house. I could set up a camera and talk to the whole thing over an xbee rs-232 tcp link (ppp) at 28.8kbaud. With a small solar panel this would run indefinitely and provide me with weather data and a view of the whole area.

    22. Re:I can understand small first batches by dbc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Currently, I am totally in love with the PyBoard, available form AdaFruit in the US. The PyBoard is the reference implementaiton of MicroPython, which is Python 3.x ported to microcontrollers. Very nice implementation of Python -- a (very) few differences from CPython because you are running on a limited amount of physical memory on bare metal, but a very, very nice version of Python. I am telling all my robot-building friends about it every chance I get.

      That said, the Arduino has a huge community by virtue of having been around a long, long time. You can get a RedBoard (my favorite Arduino clone) from SparkFun for lunch money, so if you toast one, who cares? I recently did a real, live, paying contract using an Arduino Micro, which uses a Mega 324, which a much more capable processor than the Mega328 that is on the basic Arduino boards. SparkFun has a "SparkFun Inventor's Kit" around the RedBoard that gives you a selection of sensors and actuators to plug in, and a project guide. You might like that as a way to get started.

      Also... about blowing things up.... don't fear the magic smoke. As a youth I was deathly afraid of toasting my components. That probably had to do with my limited allowance :/ I would have accomplished more had I simply forged ahead, seeing the occasional dead component for what it is: the cost of tuition. The great thing about being able to buy a whole computer for the cost of a burrito and beer is that fear of magic smoke is no longer a thing.

    23. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      disturbingly?

      What are you _really_ butthurt about?

    24. Re:I can understand small first batches by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1

      I've got some old webcams that I'd like to use Zeros for. Turn them into motion-sensitive security cameras with a FIFO buffer (on SD card). I've got some old Bluetooth dongles for networking purposes, and a powered hub or two. Should make a decent little setup after a little experimentation.

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    25. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would recommend the MSP430 Launchpad or MSP432 boards if you really want to get down into what is going on. The Arduino has a lot of libraries to get started with and most of them will do what you want, but for debugging with print statements is something I am fond of (maybe their is something with the Arduinos that allows this?)

      The Launchpad boards have a built in debugger that allows programming, single stepping and variable and register examination. Their are several "shield" boards available and some are Arduino compatible. There are also a lot of example programs from TI showing how to accomplish individual tasks that make it easy to come

    26. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      up to speed.

    27. Re:I can understand small first batches by astrojetsonjr · · Score: 1

      I got one, figured out that I couldn't use it and ended up giving it away. Once I get the hub and networking on it the price point is the same as a PI2. The tiny footprint really doesn't make that much difference. In my case the ESP8266 wireless chips work out better for small, light power remote stuff. I'm wondering how many of the 20,000 are in use and not sitting on shelves because they were purchased as "I want the new cool".

    28. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The plural of "pi" is definitely not "pies"

    29. Re:I can understand small first batches by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I see the Zero a bit different. It is a full linux machine which the ESP8266 is not. It has HDMI out which the ESP8266 does not.
      Put a USB wifi adaptor on it and you have a linux box that you can put on the back of a monitor have it work well for signage or other displays.
      Very different devices for different uses. the ESP8266 is great for say a weather station, maybe a simple robot. The Zero is for projects that need full Linux and maybe a display.
      Even combining an ESP8266 with a zero is an option as well using the ESP for IO and Wifi and the Zero for processing.

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    30. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure where you eat lunch, but $100 is not lunch money.

      AC

    31. Re:I can understand small first batches by bangular · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately the pi draws a fair amount of current doing nothing. I've used the pi in a solar based project and the pi ended up using more energy than my solenoid. I ended up using an Arduino and a relay to turn the pi off to conserve energy. It also made the project somewhat complicated because you can't just power off the pi, you have to do a proper linux shutdown. You have to coordinate with the AVR to say "OK to kill power now." You're typically looking at about 100mA to 300mA depending the model. The AVR uses less than 1mA in sleep mode.

    32. Re:I can understand small first batches by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      For me, the Pi Zero has double the RAM, a higher speed CPU, is lower profile and almost half the size and cheaper than the A+. I don't need networking and one USB port is enough.

    33. Re:I can understand small first batches by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      It also made the project somewhat complicated because you can't just power off the pi, you have to do a proper linux shutdown.

      I know it wouldn't apply to a logging project, but isn't it a limitation of the distro? I've read about "no-writes" distros that you can shut down at any time.

    34. Re:I can understand small first batches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Install Xenomai, you will get much better realtime performance. Not as good as on other SoCs due to the GPU firmware interfering, but okay.

    35. Re:I can understand small first batches by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Arduino and a relay to turn the pi off to conserve energy

      This is exactly my idea if need be, but I can get 500wh/day of energy at the very least (winter snow on new years). The most I'd ever need to store is ~90wh (15h @500ma).

    36. Re:I can understand small first batches by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Or write a script and pulse a DIO line.

  3. The are available, but not for $5 by slashkitty · · Score: 1

    Yeah, it's just false advertising saying you can get it for $5. You can get them, they are available, but for more like $20 - $30. Example: ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspbe...

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    1. Re:The are available, but not for $5 by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      If an item is only available via ebay scalpers, I automatically consider it 'unavailable".

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    2. Re:The are available, but not for $5 by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      unavailable

      Inconceivable!

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    3. Re:The are available, but not for $5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's just false advertising saying you can get it for $5.

      I got mine at the RRP from Pimoroni two weeks ago, The Pi Hut got a batch last week. If you're patient and wait for them to get into stock with someone who isn't a scalper you can get it for the advertised price.

    4. Re:The are available, but not for $5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False advertising... third party seller.

      Shut the fuck up and kill yourself you fucking retarded faggot cunt.

  4. Zer0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the initial run was zero.

  5. Go To ZERO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As the POWERSTATION said.

    Doctor Doctor Give Me The News

  6. I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'nuf said.

  7. Nice non-sequiteur at the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A victim of its own success, yes, but the real victims are the Raspberry Pi's competitors.

    One might argue that if RPi are unable to deliver what's actually wanted, people will go to their competitors instead.

    So what the hell does this last sentence mean? RPi's competitors are "victims" because RPi has done well? Sorry, that's not how competition works. This isn't even a zero-sum game. RPi has created markets that its competitors failed to create, but are now selling into anyway. RPi's competitors have by-and-large received a massive boost from the existence of RPi. 12-year-olds are now playing with SBCs who would never have even heard of them if not for RPi, and they're not only playing with RPi SBCs.

    1. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by queazocotal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The victims are the competitors that get damaged by the perception that $5 is a price that people should be paying. This is extremely hard for nearly all vendors to manage.
      This means less diversity in the market, especially if people buy a couple of Pis now, in the anticipation of a Zero being available real soon now.

    2. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      Or to be clearer - the people that can't purchase competitors devices which are more available and better documented and more open.

    3. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've got two zeroes so I debate the truthiness of the article anyway. Notwithstanding that, there's a vapourware $8 SBC which literally cannot be bought at $8, which has reduced the perceived pricepoint already below $10. So far from being hurting the competitors of RPi, actually it's the competitors of RPi that are doing this. OTOH RPi actually have delivered 20,000 SBCs at $5.

      I mean you make a slightly valid point, but you could have said this about the $30 RPi, whereas in fact it's created a whole industry of similarly-priced SBCs. $5 is a nice pricepoint in theory but there's all kinds of value-adds you can do to keep the RRP below $10 while adding significant extra functionality. There is no diversity problem in this market, and if you think there is you're just not paying attention. This market's main issue right now is there's too much diversity.

    4. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      So people's decision to trade time for price is somehow bad for them? Sounds to me like you favor economic rent--a process which leads to increased poverty, decreased employment, and lower economic stability.

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    5. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      No, not at all. Trading time for price is just fine.
      There would be no issue if the Pi zero was an open platform. It represents a local minima - much like if you can only purchase McDonalds because all the other vendors have died.

    6. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The Zero isn't really comparable to the original Pis though. No networking, extremely minimal design. It's designed for embedding inside other things, not for use as a stand-alone computer.

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    7. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      All the other vendors died because McDonalds has a high supply to meet demand. You assert Raspberry Pi has a low supply, and the demand is not available for higher-priced alternatives. Sounds like a natural market to me: people decide they need X, they can get X for a price, and they don't value X *now* more than X *later* so they wait for supply to flow in at the lowest price.

      Do you want $5 today or $10 in 6 weeks?

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    8. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww, feeling butthurt that nobody loves the BeagleBone? That's because it is shit.

    9. Re:Nice non-sequiteur at the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The victims are the competitors that get damaged by the perception that $5 is a price that people should be paying. This is extremely hard for nearly all vendors to manage.

      The same thing could have been said for the original Raspberry Pi, and look what it acheived.

      There might be some "victims", companies may not be able to compete, but having a popular, low-cost, miniature computer like this will benefit the market and consumers in the end.

  8. local Radio Shack store has one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My local Radio Shack store has Adafruit's Raspberry Pi Zero Starter kit in stock. It comes with the following:

    Raspberry Pi Zero
    8GB class 10 SD card
    Wifi Dongle
    Mini HDMI to HDMI adapter
    USB OTG cable
    USB console cable
    Micro USB cable
    Power supply
    Male and Female headers
    T-Cobbler Plus (breakout board and ribbon cable)

    https://www.adafruit.com/products/2816

    1. Re:local Radio Shack store has one by supremebob · · Score: 2

      Yep, and the kit probably costs $60. So much for the promise of the $5 computer.

      Thankfully, the Raspberry Pi people are starting to get competition from other organizations like CHIP and PINE who are also releasing sub $20 barebones PC's. That should help to improve availability and keep prices low.

    2. Re: local Radio Shack store has one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CHIP is great by the way; I thought "I'll never use the bluetooth but it's nice I guess" and the first thing I did with it was use the bluetooth.

      Apart from the hiccup at launch with the inconsistent booting (now fixed by a fairly painless flashing tool they released), it's done everything I wanted and more.

      Having wifi on one of these little project boards makes using it so much easier and more convenient!

    3. Re:local Radio Shack store has one by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I picked up my RPi Zero for $5.00 at retail....

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  9. Where are the 3D printers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was told it's the 3D printed future, and it's right now! So why can't I download a Pi 0?

  10. Don't understand the fuss with Pi or Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pi is a marketing success. Devices themselves are rather mediocre and for the same price you can get a much more capable hardware.

    Turning electronics into legos is fud that will eventually fade. You cannot learn electronics or engineering by playing with legos.

    1. Re: Don't understand the fuss with Pi or Arduino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe you!

    2. Re:Don't understand the fuss with Pi or Arduino by fisted · · Score: 1

      sure can
      It's not even playing, at least for people like me (when i was younger). It's about building stuff that works, discovering fundamental mechanical principles in the process, then tearing it down and building something else. I never actually "played" with the stuff, I just built stuff, enjoyed how it works (or sometimes didn't), and then disassembled it only to start anew, for the better part of my childhood.

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  11. Nobody wanted it! by burni2 · · Score: 2

    It's funny that many people now are trying so hard to get one - and lucky for those that have one and can sell that little thingy for 6 times the initial price on ebay.

    And for those who haven't heard that's called capitalism -
    supply low, demand high = prices high and the ebay sellers get theirs sold!

    The first reviews and comments on the PiZero were like: "unusable" "only one USB-Port". And then the complaints about the missing ethernet or wlan.

    And some even judged that the Zero would not sell at all, because of its short commings despite the price.

    After the "tinkerers" started to get interested and played around with this "fail" and then the demand took off straight.

    And no, the Raspberry PI Zero demand doesn't hurt other competitors, because I don't see similar priced clones of that size.

    If you need you can get an A+ that will work for your project, you then also only have one usable USB-Port,
    to make it smaller you need to desolder the GPIO-pins.

    1. Re:Nobody wanted it! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      That whole supply-and-demand economics thing is a gross oversimplification.

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    2. Re:Nobody wanted it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first reviews and comments on the PiZero were like: "unusable" "only one USB-Port". And then the complaints about the missing ethernet or wlan.

      No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

    3. Re:Nobody wanted it! by burni2 · · Score: 1

      Lame for you, of great interest for many people.

    4. Re:Nobody wanted it! by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Woosh :-)

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    5. Re:Nobody wanted it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: that (in)famous line was uttered by the founder of /.

  12. Where are the Raspberry Pi Zeros? by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't know... Getting shot down by the Arduino P-51 Mustangs?

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  13. Missing the point of TFA by cvdwl · · Score: 1

    All the commenters above seem to think it's useless. The market is clearly saying that there are more people who have a use for it than there are Pi Zeros available. Raspberry may be guilty of poor market planning and the zero may not be useful to some people, but it darned sure seems to have surplus demand.

    Me? I'm looking at the hacks that allow me to solder an old wifi dongle to it, or the one that lets me run it on Power-Over-Ethernet (yes, different applications, although wouldn't it be cool?!).

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  14. Hindsight is grand by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well yes, you really would think that they might be used to it by now and perhaps even prepared for it.

    Thanks for your opinion Mike. I wonder if you were in position where you sold 200000 of something, and then proceeded to develop a hugely cut down baby version of it, completely missing some of the most used features (USB ports) of the previous products, what do you think the initial run should be? Oh enlighten us?

    Quite frankly I'm surprised they sold out, it's quite telling that one of the most popular projects on Hackaday is to add a USB hub back in to make it more useful.

    1. Re:Hindsight is grand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep seeing whining about usb hubs. You know what my project (and most of my projects) don't need? A usb hub.

      Get creative, thats the whole point of raspberry PI's

    2. Re:Hindsight is grand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everything needs USB... If you really need it buy a 1$ hub to go with it.

    3. Re:Hindsight is grand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know what my project (and most of my projects) don't need. A Raspberry Pi.

      Get creative, use an Arduino! ;)

  15. What's in a name? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Apparently in this case, the name represents the actual size of the production run...

    Seriously, I recall it was like pulling teeth when the Raspberry Pi model B+ came out to get one. The supply problem will work it's way out, remain calm.

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    1. Re:What's in a name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the name zero comes from the expected sales and as so the size of the production run, but is also combined with the number of useful projects.

  16. Attack of the clones by randomErr · · Score: 1

    By the time they get their act together tons of Kickstarters with show up with a similar price point and more functionality.

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    1. Re:Attack of the clones by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't think that matters. There are also loads of other products to the main RPi with a lower price, better specs or both. Thing is, though the RPi his stability and a better, much larger community. So you pay a bit more but you save a lot of time. Unless you need something out of the ordinary or are VERY cost sensitive, then it's usually easier to buy an RPi and have done with it.

      See, for example the problems people are having with the cheaper and more powerful OrangePI.

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    2. Re:Attack of the clones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt this. What the Foundation is doing is bloody difficult. Kickstarters may have something to announce at that point, but they will not ship with a similar price point and more functionality for some time. For 'functionality' in the broadest sense, at least; size, software support, ecosystem.

      The Zero is an absolutely unprecedented thing.

    3. Re:Attack of the clones by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      And NO COMMUNITY. Thats what drives the RPi more than anything else, it has the biggest, most well-documented community,

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  17. What Competitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole point of the Raspberry Pi is to further education. Are any of the so-called competitors doing this? No. They're all trying to jump on the bandwaggon and make a fast buck on someone elses success without ploughing a penny back into Education. When one of these money merchants starts to fund education then we'll have competitors.

    1. Re:What Competitors? by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I work IT in schools, state and private, primary and secondary. I was one of first-batchers for the original RPi.

      Few resources are actually advertised and available to teachers. The only educational-focused content offered is some random tutorials on websites, or third-party stuff from people that have nothing to do with the RPi. Most RPi's are bought, used a couple of times, then sit in a cupboard. Like a lot of other cool technology, I'd like to point out, but there it is.

      The BETT exhibition is the UK's educational IT expo. For a few years it was "all about the RPi". People selling the units. Few resources. No teaching resources for those places that need it most (chances are that if the kids need teaching how to code, so do the teaching staff!), no training, nothing. I haven't see the foundation at the BETT ever (despite being run by a UK guy who claims the purpose is education?).

      This year it was "all about"... well, not much. Some of those BBC Bit things were on a display board but you couldn't buy them. And, same thing, no resources or information about how to teach with them or the educational value.

      I work in a prep school at the moment. We were beta-testers for the .NET Gadgeteer kit. We have kids working at secondary-school levels and beyond. We build and fly home-built drones with the boarding kids. We STOP teaching crap like Scratch in Year 3 but we go up to Year 8.

      The RPis I found in a drawer when I started there. I wasn't surprised, as mine was in the attic by then too. We never bought the Model B's. We won't be touching the BBC things either.

      To be honest, it's easier just to let the kids (rich kids!) buy their own gadgets and then integrate them into the lesson. All the kids have iPads (not my choice, but I have to make the best I can of them), if they program they do it on those or on the PC's in the school. The geeks turn up every Friday evening for "the geek club" where we do things like C programming, machine code, building drones and kitting up Arduino kits.

      I've yet to see what the actual educational value is in the Pi - I'm sure a REALLY good teacher can use them, as ours did, but that's to do with the teacher, not the device. They do just as good a lesson with pen-and-paper, an iPad, a lego-kit, or some $5 Arduinos and a soldering iron.

      And with almost zero teaching resources sold with them, most teachers who aren't up to speed (which is sold as being half the point of pushing IT in schools, that the teachers are behind the pupils themselves) won't touch them as they see them as "just a gadget" with no educational value or help in their teaching.

      15 years in IT in schools, story has been the same in all the schools I work in. It used to be QX3 microscopes, then visualisers, then Raspberry Pi's (and Scratch at the same time), next week it'll be something else.

      You just missed this year's BETT. The only RPi's I saw were running Lego kits and things that ANY device could be running. And nobody was really selling the RPi or associated resources... I think I saw one stall selling RPi cases that were twice the price of the same thing on Amazon.

    2. Re:What Competitors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, just wow. This is why the UK is falling further and further behind. The point of the R-PI is to be able to interface and interact with the real world. There is loads and loads and loads of tutorials and documentation on doing any number of things, everything from thermostats to automatic watering systems for house plants.

      Few resources. No teaching resources for those places that need it most (chances are that if the kids need teaching how to code, so do the teaching staff!), no training, nothing.

      Can't teachers just locally develop the teaching material themselves? Does everything need to be funded and paid for by central government and the department of education? Do the teachers in Britain not get time to develop course work?

      I just find this typical attitude of many in Britain "if it is not done for me, then I can't do it, so I won't even bother" incredibly frustrating.

  18. You are so right .. by burni2 · · Score: 1

    but for this case it works, as for many other cases:

    In this case it means: "Those who demand it are willing to pay a high price - and they pay."

    1. Re:You are so right .. by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Just because someone offers more money, doesnt automatically make it the right choice to sell to them. Not all humans view transactions as amorally as you do. Lots of people see this as a destructive, psychopathic maxim.

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    2. Re:You are so right .. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      This is more like fad economics (Furby) than anything else. They're buying time, not product: they want this particular thing, and they want it now, thus they're paying to have it now. This is slightly different from things like superbowl tickets (you won't get Superbowl 50 tickets next year; the supply is time- and space-limited) or Roman coins (you can get them any time, but there are only so many in existence).

      I have a theory of scarcity which covers that human labor time produces all things, but things don't scale infinitely. The easiest example is food. When you run out of arable land, you start using more fertilizer and irrigation for smaller yields. Each 100,000 more people added to your population requires 2,000 working to make food until then; after that, you add 100,000 more and find you need 10,000 working to make food to feed these new people. You of course have to pay the wages of those 10,000 people (in most basic terms, they must at least have the means to survive); and, in societal wealth terms, you're short 8,000 people working to make other things, so now there are slightly less products (cars, running water, coats, iPhones) available per person, and so society becomes more poor (this mechanism creates scarcity pressure to slow population expansion).

      It works the other way, too: the familiar economy-of-scale descends from fixed costs. To stand up a new fabrication facility, I'd need hundreds of millions of dollars; if my target market is small, Intel can fabricate the chips cheaper than I can, as they have existing capacity. Small markets with low demand, thus, experience high prices. (Subjective Theory of Value explains this by saying people pay what they perceive to be the correct price, and handwaves away market influences; it was created to explain why diamonds are so expensive if they're so plentiful.)

      In context, we basically have low-demand scarcity: competitors aren't sure of the demand in this market and don't know if they can compete with a clone device. They *do* know the cost to start manufacture and the cost to market the new device would make it initially more expensive, as well as risky. Thus they currently see a low-demand market where they're not 100% certain of profitability and can't enter with low prices intending to catch up on the initial cost and turn a profit after shipping several million units. It's between apartment markets and semiconductor markets in nature.

      As I said in the beginning: this is a temporary situation, and the people paying high prices are trying to buy a non-scarce product before its production is rolled out. This is a product which we can foresee a high supply of--give it a few months, most likely--yet people want it now. Fad economics. Wait a few months and you can buy all the Furbies you want.

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    3. Re:You are so right .. by burni2 · · Score: 1

      You are missjudging, I don't judge morally or amorally in anyway.

      I just recount the reality and accept this as a fact of normal human behaviour within the given rule of law and as I will argue that it is a common morally acceptable behaviour.

      That behaviour most people show a divergence in the moral outside behaviour and their inner moral "clockwork".

      Most of the time I see that many people that take a moral stance on ever cheaper things buy-in-your-own-country.

      But they go for the cheapest, and shit on their moral.

      Do you also "tick" that way price hunting sites and have that devilish good feeling when you made a best price hit, or do you choose your local supplier?

      -> If so you are morally as lame as everybody else and you have no right to judge about the moral of people because where is moral there is bigottery.

      Everything that is based on moral will be frail at a certain point, everything that is based on sense and ethics will work.

      If you like Star Wars the best sum up is
      "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

    4. Re:You are so right .. by burni2 · · Score: 1

      Use common sense and watch how people behave on the small scale, don't theorize or repeat theories how people should behave.

      And in this case we are dealing with the behaviour of people for a "for-fun-good"(a toy) and on this level certain oversimplified rules remain true.

      Small scale peoples behaviour is very simple, this use case deals on this small scale.

    5. Re:You are so right .. by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Except the simplified explanation falls in line with the complex explanation. It's not disconnected magic.

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  19. They also printed a second run of the magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was possible to subscribe to the MagPi (which as a Pi nerd you might want to do simply because it funds the foundation) and get a Pi Zero a whole month after the initial sell-out.

    I subscribed to MagPi for six months in mid December and have a Zero; it arrived before Christmas. The magazine functions as a nice little reminder to actually finish my two Pi projects :-/

    This is not a cheap way to get a Zero and I am not suggesting it's a viable strategy, but it explains where they went; the foundation decided to use it again as a fundraising thing. (They also used it as a way to advance their process; as far as I have read, the low cost of the Pi 2 is a product of the Pi Zero refocussing effort, not the other way round)

    There will be more Zeros in the future; it's not a limited edition. I must say I'd love to see one with a CSI connector, though, and I am sure there are others who'd like to see one with a DSI connector.

  20. Same for all new Dev Boards at release by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    BeagleBone Black was similarly sold out for several months, it is the nature of the beast.

  21. I have two of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Managed to get my hands on two of them the last time Adafruit briefly had them in stock a couple of weeks ago. Bought one starter pack and one zero by itself. One of them is already running Retropie on a 32GB SD card and will probably end up in a desktop arcade build, the other one has Raspbian Jessie on it, for now. I may use it to process and display sensor data that's currently being acquired by an Arduino Mega (for all those 5v analog inputs).

  22. Pi Zero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got one!

    The MagPi went out of stock as it was printed, and I had to wait a couple of weeks. Actually I'm old enough to remember the 8-bit home micro boom, and it definitely has that kind of excitement about it.

  23. Stockists? by DugOut · · Score: 1

    Google claims it to be UK English, but I still believe you just made it up.

  24. I have some by andrewa · · Score: 1

    I purchased three copies of the MagPi magazine with a free Pi Zero on them. Figured I'd maybe play with one of them, then see if I could make a small profit from them on eBay later... Offers please... ;-)

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    1. Re:I have some by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll give you $5! It's a $5 computer, right? Full price!

  25. Available in 2021 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=898336#p898336
    "at that those rates it would take 5 years to fulfil demand."

  26. Will have many zeros in Canada by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    The theoretical price of the zero is $5, or about $7 Canadian. I am willing to bet that the walk in price for a zero will be $29 and the total delivered price will be about $40. Then we have the fees that some of the major shippers will ladle onto anything where they smell internet-order. These fees typically start at $40.

    So I am not exaggerating that a zero will potentially cost $80.00 (60usd) in Canada. That is a lot of zeros.

    1. Re:Will have many zeros in Canada by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      http://www.bc-robotics.com/sho...
      Raspberry Pi Zero: CAD$13.95 (currently backorder)
      Canada Post Light Packet: CAD$5.95
      Add GST/PST

      Your total should be around 20~25 dollars.

    2. Re:Will have many zeros in Canada by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      Those are the cheapest Pi's that I have seen in Canada. Still wildly overpriced when compared to the theoretical prices, but still, by far the lowest.

  27. $5 was a "door crasher" price only. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They sold a few thousand for $5 and bought a LOT of publicity for it.

    The "$5 computer" became its ubiquitous tag. Yet only a minority of buyers could get it for $5.

    It wasn't just a problem of supply. The product website said the $5 item was out of stock but you could still buy it in "value packs". In some of the value packs it seemed like the pi itself was the cheapest item, while items like a HDMI adapter etc. each cost more than that, even though such items could be found on ebay for $1.

    I didn't see a lot of complaining other than my own. I think that anyone who calls it "a $5 computer" is being misleading or has been mislead, and those who say thing like that it's a computer that is accessible to everyone is missing a big part of the meaning of "accessible".

    I'd like to see it actually available to all for $5, but until then calling it a $5 computer is a scam.

  28. FM Radio by itamblyn · · Score: 1

    I think it's worth mentioning that the Pi Zero likely has the ability to broadcast data, though not in the way you might expect. (I can't say for certain because I don't have one yet) There are a few examples on the web about how to do this: http://www.instructables.com/i... I tried this recently on the Model2, and it worked well. Obviously you would need something on the receiving end to listen + decode, but I don't think it would be too difficult. People have been doing this with HAM radio for ages. If the antenna is a decent size, the range is pretty good. You could easily cover a house with low bitrate data. I'm sure this is in violation of lots of FCC rules, but meh.

  29. The real victims are those who got one of these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Raspberry Pi guys are doing nothing to fix the proprietary crap that there stuff is built off. Wake me when someone a. cares b. tries to fix the problem in some real way. The original Banana Pi and the original Cubieboard are *much* better in this respect even if the people behind theses boards don't care and it was more coincidental than not.

  30. Meanwhile, from Mediatek... by grumling · · Score: 1

    Last week after a long wait I finally got my Linkit Smart 7688 boards:

    http://home.labs.mediatek.com/...

    No, not $5.00, but at $13 from Seeed Studio it's not too bad. The killer was that they shipped from Hong Kong and that got pretty expensive. And it has built-in WiFi. A little strange in that it runs OpenWRT instead of Debian or some standard Linux distro, but it looks like it will be fun to experiment on.

    Something tells me we're going to see a lot of these cheap little computers in the coming months, especially as smartphone sales level off.

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  31. That's not an unreasonable 1st-run by sirwired · · Score: 1

    What if they had ordered 200k of the things, and they found a defect that escaped test? Starting off with a smaller run is not a horrible choice. It sucks that the devices are late, but it's hardly an outrage,.

  32. Readed the specification of the Pi Zero? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you read it? Did you REALLY read it? OK, because all the comments along the lines of "it doesn't have ... " and "it doesn't do ... " sure sound like folks who can't read. It's a neat piece of kit and it lives with my original Pi and a Pi 2.