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SourceForge Eliminates DevShare Program (sourceforge.net)

SourceForge has officially eliminated its DevShare program. The DevShare program delivered installer bundles as part of the download for participating projects. We want to restore our reputation as a trusted home for open source software, and this was a clear first step towards that. We are more interested in doing the right thing than making extra short-term profit. This is just the first step in a number of improvements we will outline in the coming weeks. SourceForge and Slashdot were acquired in late January by BIZX.

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  1. Too late by JazzXP · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The majority of the good open source apps have moved to GitHub over this, and user trust in the site is dead. I know myself and a number of people I know don't go there anymore, hell, uBlock even blocks it by default.

    1. Re:Too late by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah and we are focused on fixing all the issues that have caused projects to move.

      And that's the good part, the alternative is that it just permanently stays the way it was. If Whiplash (and friends) are willing to work to make it better, I'm willing to keep an open mind about it, and you should too.

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    2. Re:Too late by whipslash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Appreciate your reasonable tone

    3. Re:Too late by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At least you folks are answering questions. I'll take a wait and see, buff SourceForge was once great, and it would be nice to see regain at least some ground.

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    4. Re:Too late by H_Fisher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well said.

      On a related note, I've noticed that, for the most part, the quality and amount of interesting news has gone up since the new regime took over. Keep it up, Whipslash et al. So far, so good.

    5. Re:Too late by r.freeman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, fuck github's SJW and censorship - but - no problem it's git. Just push to 3 other servers and run own one.

      PGP sign git commits, or at least the tags with published binaries and all security issues are fixed too.

    6. Re:Too late by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I, for one, welcome^W am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Whatever motives BIZX has, you at least seem to be accepting and acting upon feedback. I find GitHub's politicizing to be rather irksome, so it would be nice to see SF rise from its ashes and provide another alternative.

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    7. Re:Too late by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But continuing to do so under new ownership, who have shown that they are interested in fixing what they bought, is.

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    8. Re:Too late by BronsCon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is the helpful home that I remember Slashdot being when I first started lurking in the late 90's, long before I created this account. Thank you for being part of the solution.

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    9. Re:Too late by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Dude, they've owned it for barely a week. Considering that the first part of that time was spent reorganizing and restructuring (people and business, not code) and they've already been asking the community what needs to be done and made a headway on that, I'd say they're moving quite rapidly in the right direction, having hit the ground running.

      I'd say it's fair to approach them with some skepticism, even to avoid them until they've had a chance to fix things, but to continue to boycot? Give them a chance to fuck up, first.

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    10. Re:Too late by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think most people just ignore any SJW/whatever/controversy issues, but it's things like this. You can see that Github is becoming an unpleasant place to work, and focusing on hiring salespeople instead of programmers

      And this is why I think anyone who uses the phrase "SJW" without irony is a complete and utter idiot. Seriously? Growing companies hiring a sales team is now an SJW issue? You have described every medium to large sized business ever.

      The argument goes like this:

      SJWs are resonsible for traffic calming/sales teams/dystopia in scifi/buffer overflows in C/being worse than the Nazis[*] and are the ultimate evil becuase they're responsible for everything wrong. You/him/$COMPANY is SJW so they are EVIILLL!!!

      You of course have to provide no rational argumet or reasoning, you just compare them to the biggest evil and hope to shut down the conversation.

      A clue for you: companies need sales teams.

      I mean you could have focused on a real problem like the blatantly racist and sexist "diversity" team. But no, instead you go off on paedoterrorsbogeymen (i.e. SJW) and sales teams for some reason.

      WTF, dude, WTF?

      [*] Those are all insane things I've seen SJWs blamed for on slashdot.

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    11. Re:Too late by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't mistake all the noise about Github's policies for a mass of users just waiting to migrate though. Look at Reddit, you would think the internet nearly imploded to read about it, but actually the great saviour Voat is still a distance second place and now full of people the average Reddit user wants to avoid anyway.

      Better to focus on features and utility. Sourceforge used to provide a nice way for open source projects to offer binary downloads. Github allows it, but you have to set stuff up manually, update links etc. With Sourceforge you just released and it pointed users in the right direction.

      I think there is a gap in the market for a more user-focused hosting web site. Github has bug tracking and wikis, but they could both be improved on. User contributed documentation is something that could be great if implemented right. Often it kinda builds itself around forum stickies, but I'm sure it could be done better if formalized.

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    12. Re:Too late by SIGBUS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not going to wade into the minefield regarding the sexual misconduct case, but I'd most definitely consider the Jeep story to be pretty damn relevant for anyone building computer-controlled devices. Let's see: computer-controlled car with a radically different user interface compared to almost any car in the last 60 years or so. And, unlike Windows 8 or GNOME 3, we're talking about something with potentially life-threatening implications.

      Back to the subject at hand, I'm very glad to see Sourceforge getting repaired, even if a lot of projects have moved elsewhere. Monocultures are a Bad Thing in my view.

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  2. Also eliminated grammar by dothasmurfysmurf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Making a extra short term profit" FAIL

    1. Re:Also eliminated grammar by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Holy crap, an editor that fixed an error in TFS!

      That's bigger news than the article itself.

  3. Re:Haha, NOPE. by whipslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We just purchased the site a week ago. I think your anger is misdirected.

  4. i do like a clean gravesite... by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody else has said so, so let me say: Thanks for trying to fix things, New Management. I appreciate efforts like these. Keep it up.

    The others are probably right about it being too late to make much difference, of course. Broken trust is a mother. And none of us are really sure how reputable the new bosses are, of course. But I feel it's important to recognize and encourage any steps in the right direction. So thanks again.

  5. Re:Haha, NOPE. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First, good on you to start fixing things in the first week. I know that I miss the days of being able to download things off of sourceforge.

    Secondly, do you have an overarching philosophy you can share about how you plan on running your new acquisitions. I know a mission statement is often a lame thing, but I think something that clearly explained your vision, and that people could judge your future actions by, would be nice..

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  6. Great! Where do I send money? by localman57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No bullshit. I'll really send you money. I remember loving sourceforge. If you have a gofundme, or paypal account, or something like that, I'll send you $5 to help offset the lost revenue from that program you scrapped. There are people out there who will help support those who do the right thing, even if they're companies or for-profit corporations, or whatever.

    Give me my "Turn this ad off because you've got good Karma" option back, and there's another $10 in it for you.

    It's been 2 1/2 years since I've posted. I see the potential in this for something I loved to come back. So I'll post now.

    Who else will support these guys?

  7. Don't forget by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The goal is to hire non-white sales people. Github's boss has declared that she can't even interview white people. Worse, she has declared that white WOMEN are the enemy. Racists are racists, no matter which race they are denigrating.

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  8. Re:Then pay up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, can you like give them a minute or two? They just bought the fucking site a week or two ago. They've done more good in that time than Dice did in the last several years. It's going to take some time for them to remove all the Dice fuckups.

  9. Re:Sorry Assholes by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have no idea how glad this makes me. I've had that site blacklisted for years. The first time it had shitware bundled in I was done. Thank you for just straight up buying the whole goddamned thing and fixing it.

  10. Re:Sorry Assholes by cfalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You do understand this is a new crew right? Like if you had bought sourceforge a year ago, and then immediately fixed the shitware problem, you'd expect people to be happy with that, right? Well that is what happened.

  11. Re:Haha, NOPE. by EmeraldBot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really? Ok, put it in site ToS for both publishers and the users/downloaders, that 1) you will never never NEEEVER bundle ANYTHING or in ANY WAY try to alter the files placed there by uploaders/project owners. 2) also NEVER you will post ADs that could be mistaken for The Download, and in addition all ads will be very clearly marked e.g. with red border and red text saying "3rd party advertisement". And any banner/AD will lead first to outgoing banner saying clearly "You are now leaving sourceforge.net! and going to xyz.com - we take no responsibility for that site or any downloads on it" 3) of course you can never delete or take over a project then e.g. to kick out legitimate owner and push own "enriched" versions Put that it in ToS and guarantee e.g. up to 10,000$ per project damages. Then we could talk. Btw. anyway what imo could be more interesting now, would be an guthub.com clone, just like github but without the SJW nuttery that results in censorship that is going in there. How ever I doubt you could do it, as Slashdot seems quite leftist too, with frequest bullshit stories about "closing the technical gap" and other anti-white-male whiny propagana bullshit. But sure - feel free to impress us on these fields, we will see.

    Honestly, I don't understand your viewpoint. They've made progress towards improving both sites they bought - this is a huge step forward for Sourceforge, and Slashdot's quality of news has drastically increased. We're actually getting News for Nerds, and I for one have greatly enjoyed reading stories that are actually pretty interesting for once. They've answered many questions patiently, they've taken the abuse expected from a cynical community, and Whiplash and Co. haven't done anything yet that would make my eyebrows raise. Why would you write such a puerile response for a site whose old owners have left, and a new owner is actually trying to breathe some life back into it? This is a good thing, and I'd love some competition to Github. If BizX turns into what Dice was, then we'll talk, but so far they've shown that they actually do care about the site and are interested in our community. Hell, if you look through, you can see that Whiplash has actually read a lot of posts here, or at least responded to some that aren't close to the top.

    Frankly, Mr. Freeman, you are coming off as a troll and that doesn't help anyone. A clause against backdoor additions or advertisement bundling would be nice, but that whole damages spiel is unnecessary, and you're in no position to make demands of someone who will host your programs, maintain a site, foot the monthly internet bill, and provide tools to help you with your open source project for free.

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  12. Re:Sorry Assholes by NickHydroxide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot has turned into an incredibly angry, toxic environment over the past 5 years (which is pretty visible in this thread and, IMO, part of the reason why the site was/is suffering), so I dug up my old account and logged in just to give you some positive feedback. It looks like your heads and hearts are in the right place and it would be great to see Slashdot restored to its former glory. SourceForge could definitely become a major competitor to GitHub (for one, I think GH is too expensive) so that's one avenue to go down.

    I'm already returning to Slashdot more regularly and it's only been a week since you took the reins - so keep it up.

  13. Re:Sorry Assholes by narcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is Slashdot, home of the perpetually dissatisfied user. If Microsoft, Mozilla, Sony, or whoever simultaneously ended world hunger, cured cancer, and gave you shiny red balloon, they'd bitch about the color.

  14. Re:Sorry Assholes by stoborrobots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even when that 7-digit user is the new *OWNER* of /. ???

  15. Nerds aren't just in IT by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of the stories on the front page the only ones I wouldn't consider "news for nerds" would be the sexual misconduct case and the Jeep gearshift story.

    Believe it or not there are other types of engineers here besides folks who program for a living. The jeep gearshift story is about an engineering/design screwup and personally I find it quite interesting. Judging by the number of comments so did others. That sort of story definitely fits slashdot and would have before Dice took over. Furthermore the motto of Slashdot is "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters." Nerds come in many forms and I certainly am one but not of the IT variety. Stuff that Matters extends beyond IT.

    I agree however that the stories seem to be more focused lately so that is a good thing in my opinion. Of course the number of comments is still WAY down from 10 years ago. Used to be that slashdot attracted a fairly elite technical crowd. That hasn't been the case for a few years now for the most part. I still find it interesting but not like I once did.