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New Air Force Satellites Launched To Improve GPS (techcrunch.com)

AmiMoJo writes: This morning, the United Launch Alliance (ULA) successfully launched a Boeing-built satellite into orbit as part of the U.S. Air Force's Global Positioning System (GPS). This $131 million satellite was the final addition to the Air Force's most recent 12-satellite GPS series, known as the Block IIF satellites. The GPS Block IIF satellites were launched to improve the accuracy of GPS. Before the Block IIF series, the accuracy of GPS could be off by 1 meter. With the new Block IIF satellites in place that error is down to 42 centimeters.

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  1. Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the best accuracy a civilian can get?

    1. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      42cm until they scramble it in times of war

    2. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by spacepimp · · Score: 4, Informative

      RTK GPS is accurate to within 1-2 cm lat/long and typically 2-3 cm alt. For now that is about the best accuracy a civilian can get.

    3. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      RTK is more accurate than 42 cm. But that is not true GPS I suppose.
      DGPS is accurate to 10 cm though.

    4. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About the same for military GPS when using RTK.

    5. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I thought that with the newest satellites, that capability had not been designed-in?

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    6. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why there's such a push for non-GPS and inertial technologies in the military. GPS is slow (to get a good track), inaccurate (depending on terrain and such), and easily spoofed.

    7. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by spacepimp · · Score: 2

      yes or the 10cm cm with DGPS. Buckyballs will allow for accuracy to about 1mm if they are used for time sync on satellites.

    8. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      RTK is more accurate than 42 cm. But that is not true GPS I suppose.

      What? Why wouldn't using GPS for position information be "GPS"?

      DGPS is accurate to 10 cm though.

      If DGPS is "GPS" then so is RTK. Both require fixed station correction information. RTK adds in phase measurements of the GPS carrier signal to get to cm accuracy.

    9. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a CORS (Continuously Operating Reference Station) and a base station you can get sub centimeter I believe. But that kind of hardware isn't something that you can just walk around with in your hand, and it isn't cheap. I think the local surveyor told me that their rig cost about $40k, though I've heard that costs are coming down quickly.

    10. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      With differential GPS? Pretty darned accurate, like to the millimeter if you have time to wait... Just out moving around without a stationary reference? What ever the military thinks you need right now, down to about a meter on the expensive receivers, a bit more if you are depending on the cheap thing in your cell phone. If the military deems it necessary, they can induce just about any amount of error they wish...

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    11. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1
      The pubic uses of GPS are so numerous and critical that selective availability will never be turned back on. Also, there are too many other options (GLOSNASS, for one) for turning SA back on to be a solution to enemy use of GPS.

      Besides, in time of war, the enemy will just track you using your cellphone transmitter and drop a bomb on you that way. There's the old saying, "there's no such thing as 'close enough', except in horse shoes, hand grenades ... and atom bombs."

    12. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by spacepimp · · Score: 1

      I know how RTK works, I've built my own RTK systems. Seeing that there are differences in RTK, some might say it isn't traditional GPS, so I left the variable in my comment in case someone had a pedantic argument about how it is interpreted making it something different.

    13. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by jcdr · · Score: 1

      Does RTK allow to get this resolution on realtime from a fast moving object, like fighter or missile ?

    14. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTK works by tracking the carrier phase. The GPS wavelength is ~19cm, so if you are traveling fast the phase will change fast. As long as you can keep track of the carrier phases without cycle slips your RTK position should stay stable. High in the air there will be almost no multipath and good sky view so I guess it should work, but I don't really see why you would bother. Probably the control surfaces of most missiles are not precise enough to hit the impact mark with 1cm accuracy, even if the position information is perfect. Many missiles also do the final approach visually.

      Note that to get high absolute accuracy (instead of only relative) you need to have a reference station close to the user (up to ~10-20km works fine)

    15. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So how excited are you about this announcement?

      Although the paper isn't something you can just skim through on your evening commute (I tried...).

    16. Re:Accuracy for WHOM? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Long range missiles also use accelerometers that on their own they can give target accuracy within several meter over a distance of several hundred km, as long as they have an accurate starting position.

  2. This launch was actually on Feb. 5, 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The dateline on the story is actually for Feb. 5. Spacenews.com also reported the launch was on Feb. 5.

  3. Good for consumers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does this also improve the accuracy for common folk owning for example, cellphones or is this only for military applications?

    1. Re:Good for consumers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheap receivers in phones introduce more inaccuracy of their own, so for them it does not matter if the signal is more accurate.

    2. Re:Good for consumers? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 0

      phones already use cell towers and wifi networks which are a lot more accurate and faster than GPS

    3. Re:Good for consumers? by c8663 · · Score: 2, Informative

      phones already use cell towers and wifi networks which are a lot more accurate and faster than GPS

      I am not sure about this, but I had thought that phones use cell towers and wifi to get general idea where they are at and then use GPS for more accuracy. Without the inital gross location, GPS takes a lot more time to sync up.

    4. Re:Good for consumers? by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Informative

      No they aren't. They use a lot less battery power, but they provide far less accurate results. But if you want to keep the location on for an extended period, you need to use network or you'll kill your battery.

      Want proof? Look at your maps app- it still uses GPS. And it eats through battery- you can feel your phone heat up when using it, and you can see the battery drop like a rock when navigation is on.

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    5. Re:Good for consumers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cell towers are not accurate. They are pretty unaccurate. Only in cities there ok accuracy. On countryside you are lucky to be found with ony cell tower signals. And it doesnt' much help if you only have connection to one cell tower.

    6. Re:Good for consumers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A-GPS downloads the GPS almanac and ephemeris data from wifi or cell towers. That way the GPS unit doesn't have to wait for this information to be sent by the satellite.
      If the signal is interrupted during the satellite download, it has to start again. This can happen if your GPS antenna is a tiny thing buried inside a cellphone...

    7. Re:Good for consumers? by rgmoore · · Score: 1

      Battery usage depends on the chipset, with newer chipsets using less power. For example, I've had a misbehaving app leave on the GPS on my Nexus 5X, and I still got battery life of about 8 hours. That's not good battery life, but the power consumption was low enough that I didn't notice the phone heating up in my pocket, and I was able to get through a day at work before it went into power saving mode.

      My impression is that the real killer with the map app is screen usage. If you leave the map in the foreground, it will leave the screen on, and that drains power like crazy. Even if you hit the power button to turn the screen off, it will keep updating what it's showing on the screen, and that will continue to eat a lot of power. You can save a lot of power by going back to the home screen or another app, which lets you get voice prompts but avoids the power drain from the screen rendering.

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    8. Re:Good for consumers? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      phones already use cell towers and wifi networks which are a lot more accurate and faster than GPS

      No on the accuracy. Cell tower based location determination is accurate to about a city block and provided that you have WiFi with a known location you could get accuracy to about 2 buildings. The quicker to acquire seems like it may be reasonable but by having a better guess of your location you can get a lock quicker with GPS.

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    9. Re:Good for consumers? by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      That is probably more from the constant display update plus the transmit and receive from the data network. Now interestingly I use navit on my phone with the mapset of planet.bin (about 18 GB now) and even with the GPS off it will eat battery if I am moving around the map. Interestingly turning the GPS on or off doesn't appreciably change the battery usage when doing this. If I have had GPS on on the phone before starting navit it will have my location immediately but if not it will take a bit until it has a lock so that seems to imply that even having GPS means it is ready to go when something requests it. I have left GPS on on my phone with nothing actually polling it and while it does drain the battery noticeably faster, I will lose about 1/2 a day charge over about 3 days in this case, it isn't like it is massively eating through battery. Having a couple of very nice GPS modules that are a lot more sensitive and capable than what is available in a cellphone they only draw a max of 80mA@3V and that is only during the a cold boot acquisition and lock.

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    10. Re:Good for consumers? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Cell tower based navigation is correct to the rough position based on relative signal strengths of the connected tower. In dense areas this could put you within a city block. In sparsely populated areas ... well lets just say when I go camping on Moreton Island and climb the hill Google maps tells me I'm 25km away on the mainland where the nearest tower is.

      Wifi puts you roughly within 30-50m.

      Neither is anywhere near as accurate as GPS.

    11. Re:Good for consumers? by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Screen usage doesn't hurt, but its the GPS using power. Generally screen is the most expensive use of power when turned on, but GPS is in the top 4.

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    12. Re:Good for consumers? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Want proof? Look at your maps app- it still uses GPS. And it eats through battery- you can feel your phone heat up when using it, and you can see the battery drop like a rock when navigation is on.

      Now for a trick, turn the navigation on and TURN OFF THE SCREEN. Just use voice based navigation.

      GPS uses a lot of juice compared to many things on a phone but it is far from the biggest consumer in a navigation session which is easily 75% the fact that the screen is on permanently.

    13. Re:Good for consumers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to concur with this - GPS is a no friend of battery, but every single time I've ever bothered to look at my phone's "% users of battery" screen, #1 far and away is always the display itself unless I never used it that day.

    14. Re:Good for consumers? by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      even in the late 90s, early 2000s, the cell tower triangulation allowed for 3-5 metre accuracy in cities. i don't remember if it was gsm 900 or whether it needed a 2G network (1800MHz) but that was what police in europe often used to bust criminals.

      hence the popularity of nokia 6110, 6150, 6210 a 7110 among criminals where the "net monitor" part of menu could be activated. here you'd select association with a single BTS (by selecting a "bts test") and that was the end of triangulation. all the police would have was that you're somewhere inside a 10km diameter.

    15. Re:Good for consumers? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      Quality is an issue. Some phones will claim to know your location with only a single tower in range. It's very hard to use triangulation with a single tower.

  4. How much more can we get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, one meter just isn't good enough. Just like an engineer too see how much they can get out of a system
    The next system shall have a requirement that all measurements shall be to the nearest Millimeter Inch

    1. Re:How much more can we get? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your average person already thinks that their IPhone or Trail GPS can resolve things down to a few inches. I work in mapping and get asked pretty often for GPS coordinates of our guessed property corners. I quite often get blank stares from people when I try to tell them that first off the lines on the maps are not perfectly accurate (for that you need a survey) and even if they were their GPS is only going to get them within around 20' or so, on a good day (lots of satellites, good weather, minimal tree cover, etc), of the coordinates I print out. If you want to get into even the 3-4 ft accuracy range you're going to have to shell out a few thousand, $10k and above for sub foot.

    2. Re:How much more can we get? by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      You may be surprised how many businesses and industries rely on GPS measurements and really do need this kind of accurate location data. GPS is an infrastructure investment, just like roads, internet, public water systems, electric grid, etc., that increase the productivity of countless industries and people. The average person using their cell phone GPS probably won't notice much change, but the average person doesn't notice most of the infrastructure around them that keeps their world humming along.

      Keep in mind too that one meter accuracy with a handheld GPS* may sound great, but that's only under optimal conditions when there are no tall structures, tree canopies, or thick clouds blocking signals, and enough satellites orbiting overhead in positions to triangulate from. "Real world" accuracy in poor conditions can be +/-20 feet, or more if collecting data on the move.

      *- There is secondary GPS equipment and post-processing corrections that can greatly improve the accuracy of handheld GPS, but it's very expensive, so most people muddle along with just a single handheld unit.

  5. Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Unive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, it really is 42 after all.

  6. 42 cm??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Six by nine. Forty two."

    "That's it. That's all there is."

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  7. Is this backwards compatible? by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    Do new satellites drop into the existing network but with improved accuracy? Or will you need an updated device to take advantage of it?

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    1. Re:Is this backwards compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You don't need new gear to benefit from these IIF block birds.

      The follow on ones, up next will also be backward compatible...though they will transmit an additional civ signal along with transmitting the old backward compatible one as well, to get the new (second) channel you'll likely need new gear, it's years away.

  8. Recalculating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Recalculating. Make a U-turn. Recalculating. Recalculating.

  9. Better tracking now available!!! by kwiecmmm · · Score: 1

    Now you can be tracked within 42 centimeters of your actual location.

    Before someone would have to go to the spot and take a second to look around for you.

    1. Re: Better tracking now available!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how 42 cm is better than one meter. One meter is 36 cm, isn't it?

    2. Re: Better tracking now available!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha. Put that in your AI sarcasm detector and smoke it. (Cross reference based pun intended. Is there a detector for that?)

  10. Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    while we do nothing for the starving children.

    1. Re: Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans don't care about children.

    2. Re:Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do understand that GPS has non-military and even military purposes that don't involve dropping bombs right?

      http://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/feeding-9-billion/

      GPS can help agriculture be more efficient, thus providing more output per acre, and thus more food for those very children you are so concerned about feeding.

      And if you are so concerned about feeding children, may I suggest getting off your fat ass, and going to Africa to see how massively complicated the problem actually is, instead of being the arm-chair quarterback.

    3. Re: Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans don't care about children.

      Patently false, they care about children even before they are born.... Troll...

    4. Re:Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children don't starve after you drop a bomb on them.

      That building those kids terrorist fathers were inside plotting to take down the western world? Now rubble full of barbecued meat.

    5. Re: Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats only pretend that they care about children so that they can steal you blind

    6. Re:Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Hell there are even autonomous GPS guided haul trucks now that drive optimized paths to and from the autonomous shovels that also rely on GPS. Granted it is RTK that they use to get the accuracy necessary but that is just GPS with some base stations that provide corrections. If you can save 1% on fuel and keep those expensive shovels and truck not waiting you can save a lot of money and not waste resources.

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    7. Re: Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The old /. comments sometimes featured this: "YHBT. HTH. HAND."

    8. Re: Great, bombs are now more accurate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Politics, and especially it's cancerous variation Identity Politics, has infected pretty much every comment type site.

  11. Good enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to put ordinance on Putin's breakfast table, or the turban on the ayatola's head!

  12. Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 3, Funny

    What are they planning, drones with sniper rifles?

  13. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poison tipped darts. Better we have them than the enemy!

  14. COSPAS SARSAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    New GPS satellites also carry a COSPAS SARSAT package which has two purposes

    1. It detects existing digital satellite beacons, but since GPS birds fly over the whole planet constantly and pretty fast, it reduces the time from when you activate the beacon until your message is processed by a ground station. When rescue is life-saving, minutes count.

    2. It is ready for future beacons that will have a "back channel" so that after you activate the beacon you can receive a message e.g. "Helicopter dispatched. Move to open ground if possible to effect rescue" or "Storm too powerful. Rescue abandoned. Stay warm, we'll try again at dawn".

    COSPAS SARSAT (basically "Search and Rescue* satellite" in both English and Russian) is the global distress system, today it uses Geostationary comms satellites and fast low weather satellites to receive distress signals. The Geo sats can't tell where you are while the LEO ones are often not overhead when you most need them so it can take up to an hour for them to even see you. GPS sats are best of both world, there are so many you'll always get seen and they're moving pretty quickly so they can figure out where you are even if you don't know.

    * Although actually it's just Rescue these days, the whole point of using the satellites is to stop searching mountains and oceans and just go straight to where the distress beacon is and rescue people immediately. The oldest analogue beacons had a multi-mile search radius, so it was better than nothing but you did need to search, digital beacons are usually putting rescuers within a hundred metres of the target and sometimes literally right on top of them.

  15. SA meh. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    I remember when SA was on, and there were plenty of ways to improve your accuracy, only that back then it wasn't instantaneous and involved post-processing (which we used to do to everything). So ya if you were out in the field walking along with your GPS, it could be out by a lot... However if you stood in one place for a few minutes, collected a few hundred points and then averaged them out statistically after the fact, you could get very accurate results. If you really wanted even better accuracy there used to be a ton of "base stations" which I guess are likely antiquated now, which where in known locations that transmitted their locations, which you could also adjust your values to to achieve even greater accuracy... So there were plenty of ways around SA, just not really at the time of collection. However given today's technology, all that "post-processing" could probably be done on the fly if you really needed to, provided things like base stations still existed, and you didn't need to move around a whole lot at the same time. I used some pretty cheap devices back in the day, that with proper usage could give perfectly acceptable result if you know what you are doing. As I recall, a bigger threat back then was that every device wanted to use it's own proprietary standards, codes, and interface to force you to buy their overpriced (and clunky poorly designed I might add) software to use your own data (Remember Kodak digital cameras? Same Idea.) which was a huge PITA, requiring either to pony up for the software or reverse engineering, or finding tools that other had made (this was before Google)... Of course it there were some pretty collaborative GIS communities at the time .

    Also as you say, the US doesn't exactly have a monopoly on the tech anymore, and some devices are capable of receiving a variety of signals.

    1. Re:SA meh. by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative

      all that "post-processing" could probably be done on the fly if you really needed to, provided things like base stations still existed,

      WAAS and DGPS ground stations are all over the place, and you can access the DGPS correction data using a wireless modem. It is used for maritime and aviation navigation at a minimum.

      The concern that created SA was not for long-term stationary measurements, but on-the-move guidance for troops and weapons systems which would not have nearby fixed station correction data.

    2. Re:SA meh. by ndege · · Score: 1

      > used to be a ton of "base stations"

      I believe you are speaking of LORAN. Read more at wikipedia.

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    3. Re:SA meh. by chihowa · · Score: 1

      In the context of GPS and SA, he was most likely referring to DGPS. It's not really antiquated (and you can read more at wikipedia).

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  16. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by spacepimp · · Score: 1

    Not everything the military uses if solely for killing. There are thousands of uses of in credibly accurate GPS out there. In the near future you might learn what some of those are.

  17. Unfortunately it was off target by istartedi · · Score: 1

    It ended up in a remote fishing village in Iceland, then it drove around Croatia for a couple days. Finally, it was stranded in Death Valley and over-heated.

    Sorry. Couldn't resist. See later story.

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  18. Thanks for the tip by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    Google Maps has a feature where, when your battery gets low, it will ask if you want to dim the screen except when coming up to turns. I'd love the option to enable that behavior full time. Just going back to the home screen is a decent second choice, I suppose.

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  19. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    42cm is 16.5 inches.

    https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=42%20cm%20to%20inches

  20. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, run-on errors can bubble up to huge errors with GPS.
    It does so regularly when a satellite shits itself, or you lose signal for long enough.

    It's similar to "gyro-GPS" where minor errors build up and made it even less accurate with time. (mainly because they are built cheaply, you can get some really great quality ones that last much longer before errors make it worthless)

  21. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

    Amazon drone delivery service.

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  22. Umm Guys.. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0
    That launch was almost a week ago. Interesting? You bet. I was pissed that I made it down to Florida on the day after the launch - although the KSC is still a must see and well worth the admission price anyhow. Anyone who misses the Atlantis shuttle exhibit should turn in their geek card. You could tell who the engineers were in the audience - they were either trying to keep from crying, or like me, rendered completely speechless at the intro. Do not miss. I'm such a rocket slut.

    But I digress. Week old news, isn't news. Maybe a little faster story selection process?

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  23. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but 42cm is about 18 inches (2.5cm to the inch, approximately). So they have doubled the resolution. 42mm would have been something under 2 inches.

  24. guided bombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why exactly would you need GPS precision of 42cm to accurately position bombs? just position a MOAB in the general area or if you are really crazy contact a crazy russian and get hold of a Tasr Bomba where required accuracy is within one or two cities of the target

  25. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... drones with sniper rifles?

    So the US military can be certain they are covering-up a war crime.

    The simplest reason is surveying. Automated map-making can now include traffic islands, footpaths and doorways. Increase by another magnitude to include street signs.

  26. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Japan has been pioneering this technology. Civilian receivers with extra hardware can get resolution down to 5cm. They are using it for things like automated snow ploughs that can follow the side of the road perfectly. Obviously when the road is solid white you can't use optical tracking. For vehicle navigation they can also tell what lane the car is in, to improve directions given to the driver.

    It's also useful for surveys. Sure, you can get centimetre accuracy with current tech, but it takes a long time. With the new Japanese system you get an instant super accurate fix.

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  27. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by spacepimp · · Score: 1

    Which constellation of satellites are they using?
    Can you point to what hardware it is that they are making, it should work in the US or elsewhere, and if it does, then I'm surprised I haven't seen it. I'd order some tomorrow if what you are saying is accurate.

  28. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by whodunit · · Score: 1
  29. Re:Were off by ~3 feet, now good within ~2 inches. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...

    I LOL'd, "...the system is controlled using a Xbox 360 video game controller"