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A New Technique Makes GPS Accurate To An Inch (gizmodo.com)

A team from the University of California, Riverside, has developed a technique that augments regular GPS data with on-board inertial measurements from a sensor. Actually, that's been tried before, but in the past it's required large computers to combine the two data streams, rendering it ineffective for use in cars or mobile devices. Instead what the University of California team has done is create a set of new algorithms which, it claims, reduce the complexity of the calculation by several orders of magnitude. In turn, that allows GPS systems in a mobile device to calculate position with an accuracy of just an inch.

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  1. This could be really useful for docks and ferries by mikael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most time consuming parts of a short journey is getting the passenger doors aligned with the port-side gangways. Unlike airports, it's not the gangways that move to the plane, it's the vessel that must align with the portside. Sometimes the portside gangway can move up or down, but many times, the crew have to tie down these mini gangways with ropes when the tides and ballast tanks aren't enough. It takes several minutes of maneuvering to get the ship aligned with the dockside, sometimes even having to reverse and try again, especially in heavy swells. If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

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  2. Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that we can now use GPS to great accuracy. Does this mean that the US military no longer needs to encrypt the end of the GPS signal? After all, the military has always been able to use GPS for very precise location, whereas civilians had to put up with very coarse location.

    1. Re:Encrypted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is incorrect. President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS. That is why we have the location boom today. We are at as accurate a position as we can be with the GPS reception. This happened in 2000. There are other forms of signal degradation that are available. SA is not an issue anymore. I am a professional land surveyor. Multi-pathing is currently your greatest hurdle to overcoming highly accurate positioning. That unfortunately, requires fairly complex calculations to remove it properly. Even with my highly accurate receivers, I have to remove multi-pathing manually sometimes. Reflection is a harsh mistress.

    2. Re:Encrypted by nunokjpg · · Score: 2

      Like others have said, there is no Civilian degradation on purpose anymore. That was the SA system, that is off for several years and is not coming back at least because it is no longer a effective defense against foreign military parties. The only thing the Encrypted GPS code provides is AS (anti-spoofing). If used this avoids things like Iran taking control of your baby drone.

    3. Re:Encrypted by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      The P(Y) code offers a couple of advantages besides anti-spoof

      1) Faster code rate for more precise positioning, also offered by the newer civilian signals (L1C, L2C, and L5)

      2) It exists on both L1 and L2, allowing the receiver to more accurately model the atmospheric delay terms, reducing that source of error. This is also provided by the L2C and L5 signals, but not all satellites yet transmit them.

    4. Re:Encrypted by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am a professional land surveyor.

      You're a moron with no clue what you're talking about.
       

      President Clinton removed selective availability from GPS. That is why we have the location boom today. We are at as accurate a position as we can be with the GPS reception.

      President Clinton turned off Selective Availability on the C/A (coarse acquisition) signal. The more accurate P(Y) (precision location) signal used by the military is still encrypted.

    5. Re:Encrypted by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Which is fine. Most any warzone where they'd turn on SA wouldn't have those towers anyway. And if they did, they wouldn't have them very long.

  3. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couldn't the same level of 'automatic' be achieved with image recognition cameras at the doors, or other sensors to achieve the same result?

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  4. Robots will be first in line to use this by mykepredko · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there will be a lot of obvious applications for this technology, but I can see robotics being a big one.

    GPS hasn't been practical for robotics but with this level of accuracy, I wouldn't be surprised to many robotic applications currently being done by humans.

    It would be interesting to see how the algorithm keeps its accuracy over time and distance.

    1. Re:Robots will be first in line to use this by skids · · Score: 1

      If the new algorithm also helps indoor positioning enough to be accurate over a decent sized floorplan, it could be useful for indoor wifi surveys when deploying or upgrading enterprise networks. Last time I looked there still was not a product that didn't require manual entry of your position on a map during a survey, which is error prone and drives up manpower costs. Eventually WiFi clients could be extended to report back position information to the network so dead spots could be eliminated without a survey.

  5. Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

    The rest of the world gets it "accurate to a centimetre".

    1. Re:Meanwhile by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Funny

      No it's not; for the rest of the world it's accurate to 2.54cm.

    2. Re: Meanwhile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, the paper's abstract says "centimeter-level positioning estimation accuracy can be achieved"...

    3. Re:Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

      I know the conversion, we're just more precise.

    4. Re:Meanwhile by alexhs · · Score: 2

      Last year we had 2-cm accuracy. Now it's been improved to 1-in accuracy.
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    5. Re: Meanwhile by dhaen · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right (and so was I - by chance). I really should have read TFA.

  6. Meanwhile in reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...nobody actually uses GPS for anything life-critical requiring accuracy, because signals can be jammed/spoofed, and sometimes the calculation is off due to reflections or satellites behaving not as expected.

    And by "nobody", I except the military, but nobody notices when they miss their target.

    1. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      If you have heavy enough snowfall to completely obscure the road, you probably have thick enough clouds that this level of accuracy becomes difficult again.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by Yosho · · Score: 1

      signals can be jammed/spoofed

      In theory, sure. In practice, this never happens; jamming GPS is possible but very obvious, and anybody on the receiving end can tell they're being intentionally jammed and if they're smart will be able to figure out where it's coming from.

      And I'm not aware of anybody ever successfully spoofing GPS in a real-world application, because it's incredibly hard to do. You would have to create an entire constellation of fake satellites targeting a specific receiver and gradually fool it into thinking your fake constellation is "real" so that it would acknowledge them instead of a real one -- and even after that's successful, you still have to do all the math to transmit signals that the target receiver will process in such a way that they can generate a valid fix in the location you desire.

      Nobody uses GPS for anything requiring accuracy simply because it's inaccurate, but there are plenty of life-critical applications that don't require so much accuracy that use it all the time.

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    3. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine that you don't realise that GPS is very hit and miss under trees, in deep valleys, near tall buildings, in tunnels parking buildings, etc etc etc.

      This is actually just a cheap inertial navigation supplement to GPS and the Summary is highly misleading (they are not improving absolute location at all just using medium drift inertial combined with GPS to stabilise position not improve it in any absolute way).

      But don't let facts get in the way of fantasy.. Venture capital to the rescue!

    4. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      I can only imagine that you don't realise that GPS is very hit and miss under trees, in deep valleys, near tall buildings, in tunnels parking buildings, etc etc etc.

      This is actually just a cheap inertial navigation supplement to GPS and the Summary is highly misleading (they are not improving absolute location at all just using medium drift inertial combined with GPS to stabilise position not improve it in any absolute way).

      But don't let facts get in the way of fantasy.. Venture capital to the rescue!

      I have a generation-older Garmin GPS that tracks inside buildings ... I can get a lock inside my apartment or in the hallway, and walk down the hall of my apartment (no visible windows) and not lose lock or track. The building is in an area surrounded by trees taller than the peak of the 2-story 64 room unit. There are no supplemental ground stations in the area.

      I do know it's possible to get poor reception in a GPS receiver, but in case you were unaware, it's also possible to get excellent coverage in difficult surroundings.

    5. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by gordguide · · Score: 1

      I have no experience or knowledge of this stealth fighter you speak of. But I do know that plywood as used on aircraft construction has excellent stealth characteristics. Incidentally, the USAF and Northrop-Grumann are both well aware of this.

    6. Re: Meanwhile in reality... by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

      Then there is every time an airplane uses GPS to find where the airport and runway are, i.e.an RNAV approach.

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    7. Re:Meanwhile in reality... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The UK RAF used a nice airplane called de Havilland The Mosquito (DH-98) during WWII. There's a documentary about its steal characteristics as well as some known data from WWII about it. It's not that stealthy with today's advanced radar but was quite stealthy back in the day. It was used in a bunch of roles - I can't think of any role that it didn't fill, from bombing to ground attack to reconnaissance - when it was not laden with much in the way of armaments it was speedy, nimble, and made it easy for the pilots to just escape - even against the Me-109.

      There's another documentary about the flying wing that was being worked on in WWII. They recreated it and then used it at Boeing's radar testing facility. That was a Horton 229 (Ho-229) and I believe that at least two of them are known to have flown. Of the wooden planes in use in WWII, I find this one the most curious but not my favorite. The DH-98 would be my favorite of the RAF's wooden planes.

      IIRC the DH-98 had a lot less metal in it than the Ho-229 but the Ho-229 did use some sort of resin impregnated plywood and I think it even used some balsa wood in there. But, it had a bit more metal than the DH-98. The DH-98 was scoffed at, at first, but was allowed to proceed simply because it wasn't going to be using a lot of the resources that would have gone to other planes - wood was not a very scarce resource.

      But, that's not the only wooden plane that Germany had during WWII.

      It turns out that the DH-98 was one the better planes during the entire conflict and was what partially influenced the creation of the Focke-Wulf (Ta-154) Moskito. The Germans wanted something similar or equivalent to the DH-98 and so the Ta-154 was born and made from some sort of plywood as well as the Ho-229. I am not completely sure if any of them flew in any combat missions. I know that it was in prototype stage at the end of the war but a number of non-standard planes were used, very briefly, as Germany's resources dwindled. So, they may have had more prototypes than we found and they may well have been used - even if not against the West but to defend against the onslaught from the USSR.

      Hmm... Actually, you can find more out about it here:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Hmm... Yeah, looks like my memory's not that bad. They mention that there was a 37% reduction in radar signal or some such. I don't recall exact numbers but they were in the documentary. I do not think it was one done for NOVA but I think I recall seeing the older Military Channel logo on the pirated copy that I watched.

      I should also add, I'm not looking the others up. I'm too lazy for that. I watch documentaries for fun and am not an actual historian nor am I really an airplane buff. If asked, I'd probably say my favorite plane from that era would be the B-17G. The Spitfire and Mustang were also very nice but aren't my favorites. I much prefer the Corsair to either of those two. I'm not overly fond of anything from Japan or Italy. Italy did have a number of planes with three engines so they do have a novelty aspect. From the Red Army Air Force I like the Ilyushin Il-10 and I hold a warm place in my heart for the MiG-1. It looks a bit ugly, almost ill proportioned, but I understand that it was both difficult to fly and master but, once that skill was honed, they became very capable. In typical USSR fashion, they were put together quick, cheap, and easy. They were not the greatest but they were still able to be used to do the job just fine. Quantity is a quality all its own, and all that.

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  7. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by zm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Couldn't the same level of 'automatic' be achieved with image recognition cameras at the doors, or other sensors to achieve the same result?

    Why would you want to do it in a simple way?

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  8. Source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=7349142

  9. Signal by ledow · · Score: 1

    Accurate GPS is good.

    But I'd really much prefer a GPS that can work indoors, in cities with tall buildings, near hills and mountains etc.

    That seems to have much more uses than getting something from a handful of inches down to fractions of an inch.

    My car and phone sometimes get confused about precisely where I am and which turn-off I've taken. And in Belgium (where there are a LOT of underground roads), it barely works at all - by the time it locks on, I've had to go down another tunnel. In Central London, it can lose accuracy just at critical points. But everywhere else it's okay.

    Improve the reception and time-to-first-fix. Then worry about sub-meter accuracy. Nobody really uses it for that level of accuracy anyway.

    1. Re:Signal by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, I know what you mean. I left my home in upstate NY to buy a chalupa at the Taco Bell down the street and ended up in Nova Scotia...

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    2. Re:Signal by NEDHead · · Score: 1

      Regarding indoor use: In my home I have erected walls around each room with well defined travel ways identifiable both by visual and tactile means to transition from one room to another. In addition I have labeled each of the designated sleep areas with the appropriate occupant identity. To date this system has proven adequate.

    3. Re: Signal by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      No. No it's not. The inertial sensors tend to have quite high noise and drift.. And as you need to integrate their signals the error becomes very large very fast. The error levels in silicon sensors makes them of marginal value for inertial sensing for any long term so they require GPS to actually localise them.

    4. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, more than cities w/ tall buildings, I'd like it if GPS could - if one is in a multi-level parking lot, say at a mall, detect which level the car is in. Of course, that's unlikely, given the penetration needed within.

    5. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Don't you look at the road, and check for border crossings? Particularly an international border crossing that you'd have to pass to end up in Nova Scotia?

    6. Re:Signal by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Before getting there, one would have to enter New Brunswick from the US - be it NY, VT, NH or ME. One can't get to the ocean before crossing the US-Canada LAND border, where there is bound to be border posts.

  10. Three Letter Agency response? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    I wonder how the Three Letter Agencies will respond to this? Military GPS has always had access to more accurate coordinates, now anyone can have it? Someone in Maryland is shitting bricks.

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    1. Re:Three Letter Agency response? by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      They won't care. GPS is already more accurate than it needs to be for any conceivable military usage.

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  11. In related news... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    In turn, that allows GPS systems in a mobile device to calculate position with an accuracy of just an inch.

    Dick measuring goes high-tech.

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    1. Re:In related news... by wkwilley2 · · Score: 1

      *BEEP* "Coordinate not found"

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  12. CM Level Accuracy by labnet · · Score: 1

    So can I blame Jamie Condliffe for taking an IEEE article in metric and converting to imperial?
    After all, Gizmodo is a tech lite site; so you think they would want to culturally lead the way in dropping a unit of measure that no other country uses anymore.

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    1. Re:CM Level Accuracy by Teun · · Score: 1

      No other country? Don't downplay Myamar and Liberia!

      http://www.zmescience.com/othe...

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    2. Re:CM Level Accuracy by WoOS · · Score: 1

      That's why you should read the real article and not the bad copy gizmodo created.

  13. How? by Mirar · · Score: 1

    The accelerometers on the phone are usually not that good, at all. "A mobile device" yes, but that's nothing new - the sensor fusion technology is old (kalman).
    Anyone that figured out what the new part is?

  14. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Why try to maneuver the huge vessel? A simple floating bridge with gangways manually controlled like they do with airbridges for the airplanes is even more simple. Given the mass and inertia of the ships, throwing a couple of thick ropes and tightening them automatically will adjust the floating bridge gangway to the ship.

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  15. Concerns by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    From a technical standpoint this is very cool. However, from a privacy/security standpoint, I am legitimately concerned that government could really misuse and abuse something like this.

  16. Re:Save money by Albanach · · Score: 1

    Now you won't have to hire a surveyor to find out where the edge of your property is.

    That would require your property boundaries to be described in coordinates, rather than beginning at the iron pin 20 feet east south east from the largest oak tree; thence northwest 1 furlong until the stone wall bounding farmer Jones' land. More accurate GPS isn't really going to help you interpret something like this. At least the US doesn't have to deal with issues like changes to the length of a furlong made by Queen Elizabeth I.

  17. Is it really as good as they say? by Garion911 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to work at a precision GPS company, on differential GPS. What they would do is have a 'base station' that would stay in a single spot, and average the position from the GPS signal for a period of time. This is because, due to atmospheric interference, the position 'wobbles'.. Once we have an average position, we use that position to come up with correctors to send to the mobile units (via radio modem usually, though other means are possible). This got us to be on par with what this article is claiming.

    I wonder if they account for the 'position wobble' of atmospheric interference. I suspect its possible, as they just pick one position they've received, and use the inertial adjust for the correctors. Not much more work than we were doing.

    (I didnt write any of the algorithms or anything, just shuffled data around to different devices and libraries.)

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    1. Re:Is it really as good as they say? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ahh, finally you have shown me what to do with my antique Garmin GPS-12s. They have serial ports, and I have ESP-01s and level shifters lying around. DGPS, here I come

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  18. Does phone orientation matter? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

    I believe that ship based dead reckoning systems are physically attached to the ship and "up" for the dead reckoning system is always "up" with respect the the physical ship. Same thing for "forward" or "front" (or "fore" if you want to get all nautical). How could this work for a phone that is in some random (and changing) orientation in your pocket?

    1. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by Nkwe · · Score: 1

      Compass only works when the phone is horizontal.

    2. Re:Does phone orientation matter? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Recent models can measure rotations as well as accelerations. The gyroscopes do drift a little bit, but the orientation vector is kept aligned in the long term using average acceleration (gravity), GPS position changes (horizontal speed vector direction), and the built-in compass (not very accurate, but it helps).

      Anyway, I doubt these researchers were using an iPhone, they probably had much better (and more expensive) sensors.

  19. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by WarJolt · · Score: 1

    Scanning Lidar will work. Map it first and run some ICP algorithms. Basically you have a GPS pose and a ICP Lidar corrected pose. Highly accurate if you can map the dock well enough.

  20. Re:Save money by Teun · · Score: 1

    Yeah right, the US has it's own odd measurement, the US survey mile:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile#US_survey_mile

    Speaking about odd, what about feet, inches and yards?
    ;)

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  21. been doing this for about 20 years by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

    I use a usb gps sensor I built around 1998 which simply measured rate of change, connected via CAN to the speedometer and power steering, considered angle travel as well as using a compass/gimble. Certainly, it wasn't real precise, but it worked quite well. I don't think I used more than two hours in matlab to code it.

    As for CPU, it's a 16mhz z80 derivative... no FP.

    1. Re: been doing this for about 20 years by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      So.. You coded something 20 years so in Matlab that runs on a z80?

      Umm. No. Stop making shit up you are just embarrassing yourself.

      Yes. Dead reckoning systems are not complicated.. But have many many issues..

      But you cannot run MATLAB on a z80.

    2. Re: been doing this for about 20 years by Khyber · · Score: 1

      But MATLAB has a Z80 simulator, you fecking moron, but if you actually used MATLAB, you wouldn't have made that stupid remark you just made.

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  22. Re: The Fuck Are You Talking About? by thesupraman · · Score: 1

    Rotfl.

    It is so funny when you meet someone who believes all the marketing brochures.

    Bolt enough addons to your Camry and out well beat a ferrari also.. Didn't you know. Just add up the marketing numbers.

    No.. You must be right. The marketing brochures are right and the hard physical definitions of the actual system itself are wrong.. Yeah.. That's the ticket.

  23. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    One of the most time consuming parts of a short journey is getting the passenger doors aligned with the port-side gangways. Unlike airports, it's not the gangways that move to the plane, it's the vessel that must align with the portside. Sometimes the portside gangway can move up or down, but many times, the crew have to tie down these mini gangways with ropes when the tides and ballast tanks aren't enough. It takes several minutes of maneuvering to get the ship aligned with the dockside, sometimes even having to reverse and try again, especially in heavy swells. If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

    Maybe they'd have better luck with the starboard side.

  24. Re:Save money by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    How would you deal with continental drift? North America and Eurasia are moving apart by 2.5 cm per year.

    At the very least this could be used to tare or zero the readings from a local survey monument.

    Whats funny is the inch is officially defined as 25.4 mm. Dual scale measuring tape confirms this at multiples, as does using a unit converter

  25. Already on the market: Xsens MTi-G by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

    A product with these specifications seems to be already available on the market: MTi-G by Xsens. The technical specifications talk of a resolution of 2.5 cm, which is about an inch. It uses the kind of sensor fusion algorithms described in the article. Xsens is a Fairchild Semiconductor company, an industry icon delivering power solutions for the mobile, industrial, cloud, automotive, lighting, and computing industries. Xsens has offices in Enschede, the Netherlands and Los Angeles, California.

  26. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    I never knew Juggalos were so concerned with positioning.

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  27. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Compute power is such today that it seems *very* likely they could just have a live video feed and a touch screen. When you're close enough to the dock to see it, you touch where it is on the screen, then just using that pattern the docking can happen automatically from there on out. Obviously there will still be potential to override it and use manual control (often via lateral thrusters). It should be trivial for something like the lasso tool to grab and recognize a gangway.

    And, you know what they say, "Gangway or sickbay!" Err... Maybe you don't know what they say. Anyhow, it'd be pretty easy (I should think) to write a system that holds a temporary gangway image in storage. With a clever hack or two, they could probably even share it by database among various docking ships, the same company, or things like that - they can push it out by cellular protocols or even just radio encoded data. Then anyone will be able to use the images. Storage is cheap, they can just store that image on the device and never have to worry about it again - coupled with GPS then it might actually be possible to get rid of some of the specialist pilots who come out and tell them how to get into the bay, dock, wharf, etc... (A person comes out on a small boat, climbs up the side of the big boat, and then tells them how to avoid obstacles and whatnot - or sometimes actually does the piloting themselves.)

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  28. Re: This could be really useful for docks and ferr by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I'm still convinced the 'net could use a "smack user" button. That was horrible and you should be ashamed of yourself! Why, I ought to...

    I have a niece who's into that thing. She even wears war paint and goes out to festivals and whatnot. I think they call them gatherings. I've met some of them and I've been given the title of "Honorary Juggalo." That's not exactly something I was looking forward to gaining as an accomplishment but, well... It's something and I guess it's good that they have each other.

    They do seem really keen on spending gobs of money for official merchandise. There's seemingly some things that are more rare than others (or they claim it is) and they do a bunch of trading among themselves. They often sport very poorly done tattoos of a hatchet man - except they appear to be carrying a cleaver in the best of cases and an 8 bit goombah in the worst of cases.

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  29. Re:The writing on the wall for pilots by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    Aircraft already have enough accuracy to land automatically. Below a certain visibility, we're not even allowed to land manually. Pilots are still required to set everything up, but in principle the technology is there.

    The problem is, things fail. Frequently. Short circuits, computer failures, software bugs, mechanical failures, leaks, etcetera. You should see a crew in action during a simulator training session, and you'd be immediately convinced that we're nowhere near fully automatic airplanes no matter how sophisticated the automation has become. The positioning part is not what's holding us back, in fact that's the easy part that's already been solved long ago.

  30. Re:The writing on the wall for pilots by michelcolman · · Score: 1

    As long as they get paid enough, get enough vacation,...

  31. 1 Inch ?? by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    Yawn, come back when it's 1cm, then I'm impressed.

  32. Re:This could be really useful for docks and ferri by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    If they could get GPS down to several inches, combined with the sideways movement that many catamarans have, docking could be done automatically.

    That would shift the bottleneck to engine power, and the deliverability of that power. That costs serious coin for any working vessel,

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  33. Re:Save money by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    No, sadly it's not even that nice. The State Plane Coordinate System uses "feet" and by feet I mean either the "International Foot" which is defined as .3048 meters or the "U.S. Survey Foot" which is 1200/3937 meters. Sadly both are still in use today.

    http://vterrain.org/Projection...

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