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Anonymous Hacker Gets Lost At Sea, Rescued, Then Arrested (softpedia.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Martin Gottesfeld, 31, from Somerville, Massachusetts, was arrested by FBI agents after being rescued at sea in the Gulf of Mexico. According to the FBI, Mr. Gottsfeld was under investigation after launching a series of cyber-attacks against Boston Children's Hospital in 2014, as part of the Anonymous hacker collective. Gottesfeld and his wife were found in a sailboat, near the coast of Cuba, with lots of luggage and 3 laptops. A Disney Cruise ship took them to the Bahamas, where FBI agents took him into custody.

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  1. Anonymous became a tool of establishment by sittingnut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    as time went on Anonymous increasingly became a tool of western 'liberal' establishment pushing its ideology against outsiders.
    for example, it, becoming prosecutor, judge, and executioner, tried to take down twitter accounts (branded as isis supporters) of those protesting and resisting( by definition through a non violent platform of tweets) western crimes, torture camps, invasions, etc.. it tried to do the same for outsider candidate trump. in contrast Anonymous has not done anything against establishment criminals like clintons, or members of western military drone killing children in countries it invaded , or those running the torture camps illegally.

    1. Re:Anonymous became a tool of establishment by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i said Anonymous is a tool of western 'liberal' establishment, because it is ignoring its crimes

      And I said that doesn't make them a tool and I gave reasons, which you've ignored.

      there is no false equivalence, there is equivalence, period. crimes of western establishment and isis are comparable in horror.

      Frankly, no they're not. The thing about badness is you can always have more of it. No matter how bad someone is, it's possible for someone else to be worse. What seems to be the problem is that you've latched on to some awful thing the Us has done and you are incapable of conceiving that there could possibly be anything worse. You are, of course either mistaken or ignorant. There's always room for worse, and ISIS is it.

      how exactly is any crime worse than drone killing of children?

      How about genocide of the children, their parantes and, if ISIS gets it's way, their entire race? I assert that is worse.

      And WTF is your obsession with drones? How is killing children with a drone any worse than shooting them with an AK-47, stoning them to death or shelling them?

      And trivially, killing more people is always worse than killing fewer. ISIS have killed far more than US drone strikes. Does that make the rather "collateral damage" heavy drone strikes good or acceptable? No, not even slightly. But is ISIS killing around 200,000 worse than the US killing 10,000? Yep, very much so.

      if anything, while quality of evil is similar, as far as quantity goes western establishment is far worse.

      I would argue that you are mistaken on both counts.

      do explain. don't run from questions.

      I did, twice. You're intent on just stating your rhetoric with no actual argument, ignoring my points then accusing me of having an "american" education and of irrationality.

      or do you side with one side over another?

      Yes I do. I mean, why support the greater of two evils? Much better to go with the lesser.

      as in drone killing children is ok, systematic torture and killing of unarmed prisoners without judicial oversight is ok, bombing whole towns to dust is ok , but terrorist attacks in paris is not ok, torturing and killing of unarmed prisoners(by other side) is not ok,

      Again, you are weirdly obsessed with drones. Apart from drones, ISIS engages in all of those things with great gusto. they slaughter children, and families, shell whole towns to dust with artillery, torture prisoners (do they have judicial oversight? who cares: as far as they care it's within their laws to do so), and so on.

      Everything you're accusing the US of, ISIS is doing, and more so.

      You're also ignoring the genocide which they're attempting to commit.

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    2. Re:Anonymous became a tool of establishment by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      IS(IS|IL|) is a violent organization. They're using Twitter as a means to recruit, not to transition to some non-violent pro-democracy form that uses the power of persuasion to make people happy members of whatever extremist religious sect they pretend to represent.

      It's also fair to say that if they did pick on "the Clintons" or whatever your preferred target would be, Anonymous would also end up attacking the low hanging fruit, say, their Twitter feed or public facing websites, or whatever, which you'll note are also the "peaceful" parts of what the US establishment uses. Anonymous isn't about to hack into the military's networks and disable the ability of the US government to use drones. For one thing, that'd be quite a bit harder. For another, while hacking Twitter and sabotaging US military equipment both qualify as illegal, the latter actually has the death penalty associated with it, so the stakes are somewhat higher.

      That said, as I understand it, Anonymous is a free-for-all in terms of who can get involved, so if that's what you want to do, well... technically nobody in that group is stopping you. OpGetOurselvesSentencedToDeathByTryingToSabotageDrones certainly is something you can start and participate in.

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  2. The Bahamas - a new territory of the USA? by Bruce66423 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    " the Bahamas, where FBI agents took him into custody". There - and I thought that it was an independent country. Will they be getting Medicare soon?

  3. Re:Nice to have a black / white image of a person. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Boston Children's Hospital was likely in the wrong for what they did. Here's some background: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/12/07/difficult-return-hospital-for-justina-pelletier/u4JXzmt5YsmWhYk95za2aK/story.html. Justina Pelletier had been diagnosed with a mitochondrial disorder, but doctors at BCH decided the ailments were mental. They claimed that Pelletier's parents were harming her by seeking medical treatments that the BCH doctors deemed unnecessary with their diagnosis. Pelletier was declared a ward of the state and spent over a year in a psychiatric health unit. Another article worth reading is http://www.csoonline.com/article/2147347/hacktivism/activisms-slippery-slope-anonymous-targets-childrens-hospital.html, which says that there was a note allegedly written by Pelletier saying that caregivers in the psychiatric health unit were abusing her.

    Diagnosing some ailments is difficult, and doctors don't always agree. I suspect Pelletier's parents believed they were doing the right thing. Declaring her a ward of the state was a pretty awful thing to do. If the caregivers didn't treat her well, that's even worse. Campaigns on social media and going to the traditional media to protest this is absolutely warranted. Threatening to harm doctors crosses the line. Denial of service attacks against a hospital might affect systems used to provide medical care, endangering patients. That's truly wrong because it puts innocent people at risk of being collateral damage.

  4. Re:I can (kinda) understand him trying to flee by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Disney Caribbean cruise travels first to a port in Mexico, then essentially sails around to the other side of Cuba to either Grand Cayman and/or Jamaica, depending on the cruise you book. All the interesting islands in the Caribbean essentially surround Cuba. See for yourself:

    http://disneycruiselineblog.co...

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  5. Re:I can (kinda) understand him trying to flee by Xest · · Score: 2

    How else do you think Obama managed to get Cuba to come in from the cold and start warming ties with the US? They finally relented and offered him anything he wanted if they'd just stop torturing their island after he blasted the Frozen song at them off the coast for the 3087th time whilst they were forced to watch a hundred Mickey Mouses dance around on the deck every time they tried to simply enjoy their beautiful beaches.

  6. Miami by jklovanc · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to a couple of reports he was arrested in Miami.

  7. Possibly the biggest surprise in the case by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

    Gottesfield and his wife

  8. Re:Nice to have a black / white image of a person. by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they were not "likely in the wrong for what they did". Do you think it's just a coincidence that she was "in desperate need of hospitalization" when they separated her from her parents, then during the time away from them she became healthy enough to be going out and playing, going from interview to interview, going on trips, etc... then a couple months later after living with her parents ended up back in the hospital on an IV drip?

    It amazes me how everyone took the parents statements at face value in this case. According to the hospital, they didn't just rush off and try to get her declared a ward of the state - after the parents refused to listen, they tried to convene a meeting with all of her past caretakers, other people who knew her, etc, but the parents derailed their efforts. They basically had no choice but to either let the parents continue to do what they were convinced was medical child abuse, or step in. And the judge didn't just defer to the hospital's diagnosis in his ruling to put her in protective custody, but also blasted the parents for their erratic behavior and for trying to derail all attempts at compromise. There were many proposals laid out that would have left them with custody of her, but "Rather, the parents, either directly or indirectly, continue to engage in very concerning conduct that does not give this court any confidence they will comply with conditions of custody.'

    The case was accused of basically being Munchhausen Syndrome by proxy - that is, the caretaker lies to or otherwise misleads the child and doctors about their child's condition, and often seeks treatment that actually cause the child to develop real symptoms which they then play into their dealings with the child and with doctors. They often engage extensively in doctor shopping, staying only with a doctor so long as he agrees to continue doing whatever treatments they feel are necessary for the child. Kids are very suggestible to begin with, even without parents doing that sort of thing. In the case of Justina, when they brought in a psychologist, the psychologist immediately noticed that the severity of Justina's symptoms was highly dependent on whether her mother was around, and the mother was constantly playing up everything.

    It's easy to get concerned about the seriousness of taking a child out of their parents' custody - it's a massive blow to both the parents and the child. But let's also not forget the seriousness of what medical child abuse is all about. In the case of Justina, her parents had taken her for all kinds of surgeries and invasive procedures, some risky and experimental, such as installing a flush port to her digestive tract in her abdomen. She was said to have "mito", but her metabolic workup showed perfectly normal results. She had never had a muscle biopsy. While she was at the hospital her parents were trying to have a feeding tube installed. She was taking a wide range of medications, some with harmful side effects. If you were concerned that this was a case of MSP and were looking at what these parents had done and what they were trying to do, wouldn't you be concerned?

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  9. parent is a one-sided deceptive view (mod down) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's never that simple, when parents receive conflicting information from different doctors. And when someone alleges a parent is abusing a child, that be a very scary thing. It's particularly so when it involves removing custody from a parent who genuinely wants the best for the child. It's very possible the parents may not have cooperated out of fear. There are plenty of people who will say that medical child abuse is overcharged, that it's actually less frequent than the accusations that are made.

    There have been other improper allegations of medical child abuse made by BCH and others, some of which is well documented at http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/12/opinion/sunday/the-new-child-abuse-panic.html. Take the case of the Hilliards, described in the article. Their daughter died at age 5 from what experts concluded was a genetic disorder affecting mitochondrial function. When their three year old son began to show symptoms, the parents asked that he be tested. The hospital, also BCH in this case, alleged abuse, though the state disagreed. The parents took the child to Tufts to be treated. However, a BCH pediatrician called a different doctor at Tufts and again alleged abuse. The state intervened against the medical opinions of the pediatrician treating the child at Tufts. Under demands of the state, the treatments were scaled back, resulting in a six week hospital stay in which the child's condition worsened. The treatments were restored and the child recovered. In this case, the improper allegations of medical child abuse by BCH actually harmed the child involved. BCH has twice made the allegation of medical child abuse in similar circumstances, this one clearly being false.

    I have no clue why you'd simply accept BCH's word on this. Their credibility is certainly in question based on the other incident. Furthermore, there's plenty of reason to believe that most allegations of medical child abuse are completely unfounded.

    Justina spent over a year in psychiatric care at BCH. When that treatment ended, her symptoms hadn't improved. BCH may well have misdiagnosed Justina because their treatments weren't successful. Furthermore, it's unbelievable to me that you're willing to simply disregard the opinions of multiple other doctors both before and after the child abuse allegations who believe that Justina's symptoms are caused by physical health issues rather than mental health issues.

    1. Re:parent is a one-sided deceptive view (mod down) by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      This is why I feel the "I'm just doing my job" shield needs to be removed from people who make judgements like taking a child away from their parents. Before a decision like that gets made, it needs to be reviewed by independent people, and if certain players in the game (BCH reps in this case) start taking consistent adversarial positions, they should be excused from decision making roles in future judgements - advocate, fine, judge or jury, no.

      Oh, but that takes too much time and is too expensive. What utter tripe. These are people's lives, with decisions as important as imprisonment and potentially manslaughter, they deserve the resources of the justice system, and if the existing justice system is too slow, it needs to make resources available to handle these cases in a "speedy trial" timeframe: less than 24 hours to convene and hear argument, less than 48 to reach a decision. Anyone who "don't want my taxes paying for that touchy feely crap" needs to spend a week in lockup every time they publically make such a statement; yeah, yeah, freedom of speech... but, point is, they lack perspective and won't really get it unless they experience the unjust side of the current system.

  10. Re:Nice to have a black / white image of a person. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's not that simple. This isn't a case of siding with the medical experts versus the parents. This was a case where the medical experts disagreed on the causes of the child's symptoms. The doctors at BCH claimed it was a mental health issue. The doctors at Tufts believed it was a physical health issue. The parents were stuck in the middle between doctors at two hospitals who disagreed. When the opted to follow the treatments proposed by doctors at Tufts, the doctors at BCH alleged medical child abuse. BCH made claims of medical child abuse in a similar case with a different child. In that case, removing the medical treatments actually harmed the child during the course of a six week hospital stay. If a parent agrees to remove necessary physical treatments from a child based on the diagnosis of a different doctor when the physical treatments were necessary, couldn't that be considered child abuse? The child is now being treated by doctors at a hospital at Yale who again believe the issues are physical in nature rather than mental. What you call siding with the medical professionals is actually siding with one group of doctors in the minority versus the diagnoses of doctors at two other hospitals. You're also siding with doctors who apparently made an improper allegation of medical child abuse in another similar case.

  11. Now... by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    ...make an example of him.

    At some point we seem to have recognized how vitally important networks and computers have become to our system, but we still pretty much treat hacking as a minor (if not outright trivial) crime.

    Then again, I'm for capital punishment because if you have 7+ billion of ANYTHING, they're demonstrably not precious.

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  12. Re:Nice to have a black / white image of a person. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

    Threatening to harm doctors does cross the line, but if you put yourself in their position you can see how they view the doctors as threatening to harm Justina. The whole "ward of the state" move is something that should carry some personal responsibility for the person "making the call" - I know it's a tough job and that most people in it do far more good than harm, but it's a job that absolutely demands compassion and sympathy for the people who are being impacted by the decisions - and often the people doing it just treat it like a mechanistic procedure execution, or worse still, a TSAesque power trip.

  13. Re:Nice to have a black / white image of a person. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Holy Crap, you people are ignorant.

    1. Justina's Doctor moved from their home town to BCH.
    2. HE was the one that diagnosed her and was treating her.
    3. They took her there in order to see him during a difficult time for her.
    4. BCH people NEVER LET HIM SEE HER.
    5. Instead, they sent her to the Psch ward where some asshat Doctor had a program that had previously taken children away from other parents.

    To reiterate. HER Doctor, who Diagnosed her and was treating her, moved to BCH. That's why they went there.

    BTW, her doctor is a leading expert in the field of mitochondrial disease.

    It's all out there for anyone to read with just a tiny bit of effort.

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  14. Re:Disney? by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Got rescued by Disney. But did not live happily ever after.

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  15. Re:I can (kinda) understand him trying to flee by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2
    Because of the trade embargo with Cuba, all these small islands thrived in US tourist traffic. Now that Cuba is opening up, a very strong tourism industry will develop in Cuba and most of these tiny tourist spots might lose significant revenue. Would not be surprised if these tiny islands become affordable [*] to the bottom half of the top 1% in the next two decades.

    [*] I mean affordable for purchase, not merely visit. The whole island, not some minor property therein.

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  16. Re:Wow... by neoritter · · Score: 2

    OMG, they thought they were actually pirates! LMAO.