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Carole Adams, Mom Who Lost Son In San Bernardino Shooting, Sides With Apple (washingtontimes.com)
HughPickens.com writes: The Washington Times reports that Carole Adams, the mother of Robert Adams -- a 40-year-old environmental health specialist who was shot dead in the San Bernardino, Calif., massacre by Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife in December -- is siding with Apple in its battle to protect consumer's privacy rights. Adams says she stands by Apple's decision to fight a federal court order to create software that would allow federal authorities to access the shooter's password-blocked iPhone. She understands the FBI's need to search Farook's phone, but says it has to be done without putting others at risk. "This is what separates us from communism, isn't it? The fact we have the right to privacy," she told the New York Post. "I think Apple is definitely within their rights to protect the privacy of all Americans. This is what makes America great to begin with, that we abide by a Constitution that gives us the right of privacy, the right to bear arms, and the right to vote."
...as1) even as a capitalist I acknowledge that the Soviet bloc wasn't Communist; 2) the US is already way more intrusive than even the Stasi could have dreamed of... ...but that said, hoorah for Carole Adams! She GETS it. If you give the government free reign over the people, rather than the other way round - and the government uses "terror!" as justification - then the terrorists are getting exactly what they wanted.
I.e. to side with Apple is to carry on with the free lifestyle that makes America a less-than-despotic place to live; to side with the government is to kowtow to terror AND to encourage more of it, as terrorists will be strengthened by the knowledge that it works.
In her favor, her son was 40, so she is at least late 50s, if not much older. She grew up with the cold war and having to fight the dirty pinko bastards who spy on their own.
Silence is a state of mime.
CA and NY have proposed legislation to require that phones have law enforcement backdoors to encryption turned on by default. FBI director James Comey has testified before Congress saying they need the ability to read encrypted communications over services like iMessage. I don't think the FBI is picking this fight because they need information about the San Bernardino shooter. They're making a scene because they want backdoors to all encryption. While they may not be able to see the contents of messages sent by the shooter, the can see the metadata and know who he was in touch with. They can see who the other shooter was in touch with, too. It's probably reasonable if there's any suspicion about any of their contacts to grant a search warrant. That might reveal some of the contents of the messages. I suspect the FBI can answer a lot of their questions through other means. I just don't think they're making this fuss because they care so much about this one shooting. I suspect this is done to push their agenda of getting backdoors in all encryption. I shouldn't have to explain to this audience why that's an awful idea.
I know it's extremely unlikely you'll ever see this, but - thank you.
It's easy for those of us who haven't experienced a loss like this to weigh in with our opinions. In all honesty, I think these sorts of subjects are best discussed dispassionately, as much as possible. But, having said that, it takes a lot of character and wisdom to see what's important and to stand for your principles in a matter that has impacted you in such a horrible, tragic way.
Thank you.
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In the sense of "Russia" (meaning the USSR) and East Germany and their extensive spying on their own citizens, then yes.
She grew up in an era where it was common to conflate communism (the economic system) with poverty and an Orwellian government such as the USSR. She likely learned it that way in school.
Please understand that this is a 60-year-old or so woman. She grew up with the Cold War. Don't hold this woman to the standards that you would someone who has learned about systems of government from textbooks. To her, communist is a synonym for authoritarian. Communists were all about "papers, please" and preventing their citizenry from critique or even travel.
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vague?
>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated
Yeah no. not vague.
Please understand that this is a 60-year-old or so woman. She grew up with the Cold War. Don't hold this woman to the standards that you would someone who has learned about systems of government from textbooks. To her, communist is a synonym for authoritarian. Communists were all about "papers, please" and preventing their citizenry from critique or even travel.
One of the grand flaws most people have is failing to understand an issue from any point of view other than their own.
You do not have this issue, you have put yourself in this woman's shoes and seen the light from her angle.
And the FBI can have the NSA do that at will. They are simply using this as leverage to make things easier for them in the future.
Everyone here appreciates your standing up for America's right to privacy and safety. Even the ones who nitpick about your using "communism" as a synonym for "authoritarian".
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
...saying - she's correct.
That IS what made America a great country. That we weren't such cowards that we traded liberty for a false sense of security.
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Provided the iPhone is San Bernardino's county property, the privacy issue is nullified. Apple should stop playing the wrong game here and give the FBI what it asks for in this particular case, given everyone knows Apple's security is an illusion anyway.
This isn't about the San Bernardino shooter's privacy, it's about other iPhone customers' privacy (and by extension, all citizens who would like to be secure in their pap-- use encryption)
To crack a 4 digit password by brute force attack you simply need to have the delay between attempts set to 0 and the code wiping the data on the iPhone being neutralized.
Which is why Apple made prevented this from happening on their device through firmware, while simultaneously requiring that to be signed by Apple.
The security is just something you get because someone cannot try 30 million combinations in minutes on your iPhone because he has to wait a few seconds between each trial and is limited in the number of trials before cracking the iPhone becomes useless due to data deletion.
Kind of at odds with what you said earlier, don't you think? Let's take a look again:
Apple's security is an illusion anyway
It's hardly an illusion if it would take literal years to brute force, and only then if you didn't enable the option to auto-wipe your phone after x number of unsuccessful attempts. How is that illusory at all?
Apparently the government has asked Apple to undertake a very exhaustive and expensive effort to develop new software to enable breaking the encryption. In essence, the government wants this done gratis and the programmers would be paid by Apple and not the government. It might also mean hiring some very special engineers and perhaps mathematicians to do this work. Since when can the US government point a finger and demand work? It does strike me as being fascist. Further Apple would lose a great deal of business with people in other nations as they really don't want their phones wide open to US spy agencies.
Because the FBI is trying to play on emotion and sympathy for the victims and their families to get what it wants. They made her opinion relevant by trying to use her in that sympathy ploy.
As opposed to Joe McCarthy and J Edgar?
Are you saying the both regimes are like tin buckets with four rubber wheels on them that when working have the utility value of transportation.... but when there was a problem with the KGB or Stassi it was possible to address the problem with tools you could find in your garage and without any special education where the NSA would have to be re-engineered by a room full of Ph.D.s speaking in a language nobody else understands?
You're a deep and confusing person aren't you?
You're pretty confused aren't you?
... that is of course if you want to buy that $0.39 cheese burger or if you want to get service at that restaurant. Those people need medicine and food. If they can't afford it with our help, they'll instead run themselves into debt which becomes acceptable since when a person feels they can't make ends meet no matter how much they work, they will take on debt and default on it with a clear conscience since they feel like it's no different than bending the rules on a game which is designed specifically to keep them from winning. So, they resort to the "white lie" version of stealing. And instead of trying to solve this problem, we instead treat them with resent and bitch that because "if they wanted more than $7.50 an hour, they should have studied" when in reality, if they did, they would be taking our jobs and nobody would be there to ask us if we want fries with that.
First of all, you have no idea what a republican or what communism is... that's ok... 99% of the people in the world don't.
American republicans have pretty much absolutely nothing to do with what a republican is. In fact, a republican and a communist is almost the same thing. Compare Marx and Plato's writings and you'll find they're very similar by Plato comes dangerously close to Scientology at times.
I am for example a communist... and I am a capitalist. I earn as much money as I need and then quite a bit more to pay large amounts of taxes to attempt to redistribute wealth so the guy working at the gas station around the corner for minimum wage will have additional money to live closer by or afford the higher cost of commuting to work. I don't resent him for not trying harder to be more in life. If everyone did, then who would run the gas station which I need. So, I need him to be satisfied collecting the salary his boss pays him while my tax money helps subsidize his income to make him feel motivated enough to do a good job without fear of greater monthly debt.
Welfare is an incredibly important component of civilization. I makes it possible for all of us to benefit. In order for my personal wealth to increase, the general value of said wealth needs to decrease through inflation. Therefore as I earn more, the money I "borrowed" when I was younger will be less expensive for me to pay as I get older. The lower earning classes will continue to be paid less and their ability to negotiate better wages will impede their ability to increase at the same rate as the people like me. They also won't accumulate as much legitimate debt that will leave them with assets increasing in value while the debt decreases. As such, they will never establish themselves and will always require our assistance to provide the services we need like washing the car, mowing the lawn, cleaning the house, etc...
So we pay welfare which is basically paying the wages we should have payed at the cash register to Walmart but instead, we trust the government to pass the additional cost to the people who work at Walmart more than we trust Walmart who actually pays dividends each quarter roughly equal to the amount of welfare being paid to their employees. By doing so, we produce more jobs... at walmart... requiring more welfare to be paid... to allow higher dividends to be paid... to produce more jobs.... etc...
The truth is, whether you support communism and wealth redistribution or not, it will happen all the same
Either you choose to structure a system which supports keeping these people fed, healthy and hopefully with enough money that they can in fact budget it and make do... or you force them into higher paying position leaving the service industry stripped of the labor.... or you leave it as it is, with millions of people digging deeper debt... systems tightening the nooses on them... people being forced more and more into desperation and desperate acts... then people going to prison for trying to steal money to buy milk for their hungry babies... then you can pay to support the p
Methinks wbr1 was, perhaps, simply using the terminology that was popular when Carole Adams was old enough to be forming her world view. That's a valid use of the slang, to color the context of the conversation with the likely viewpoint from which the person in the story made their comment.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I had a conversation the other day with two brothers. One is a doctor that works for the CDC, the other is a college professor of philosophy. The subject of healthcare came up, and they both told me we need to move to single payer. They said people couldn't comprehend the multitude of health insurance option available to them so we needed to create a law that simplified it with a one size fits all solution. I said "so basically you're saying that Americans are too dumb to decide for themselves what is in their best interests." They both instantly exclaimed that that was correct. We are doomed. It's like that Simpson's episode where the "smart" people are put in charge of the town, and proceed to ruin it. Or just think of them as the pigs from animal farm.
There's almost no system possible that is less communist than the theocratic oligarchy that Americans currently live in. You really should look up what "communist" means.
Actually no. Pure Communism is a benign society that actually does very well. In fact, the US and Canada have many examples of it with the Amish and Hutterite colonies. The problem is SCALE. Both of these groups know if the colony gets too large - more than a few hundred members, the societal ties that make Communism work start to break down, which is why once a certain size is reached the colony sends a large chosen section of its members off to start another colony.
When you try to apply Communism to a country, you inevitably end up with a hellish blend of Communism and Totalitarianism to try and keep control of the monster.
They have a case to resolve? Really? The people that were shot are dead, the people that did the shooting are dead, sounds like it resolved itself to me and, it would seem, the families of the victims agree.
What is there to gain by accessing the work phone of one of the shooters? The personal phones, where any evidence would reside, were destroyed and, ignoring that, the people the FBI is seeking to punish are, I'll repeat myself, already dead. Pursuing this past that is a simple waste of resources, unless they're angling for something else.
Like, oh, hmm, I dunno... setting a precedent for forcing companies to disable security features of their products and making encryption backdoors a hell of a lot more attractive to the masses who don't know any better, just as an example.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.