More Than Half of Americans Think Apple Should Comply With FBI, Finds Pew Survey (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Apple may not have the public's support in its legal fight with the FBI, according to a recently published Pew report. In a survey that reached 1,000 respondents by phone over the weekend, Pew researchers found 51 percent of respondents believed Apple should comply with FBI demands to weaken security measures on an iPhone used in the San Bernardino attacks, in order to further the ongoing investigation. Only 38 percent of respondents agreed with the company's position.

Limiting the sample to respondents who own a smartphone only improved the numbers somewhat, changing them to a 50-41 split in the FBI's favor. Among those who own an iPhone, the numbers are even closer, but still in the FBI's favor 47 to 43 percent.

Comments

I must know the other half ...

[BitZtream]

I find it odd. I don't know anyone who thinks Apple should help the government. I realize this is the definition of anecdote ... but still, this seems odd.

Re:I must know the other half ...

[Darinbob]

I'm in Silicon Valley, and almost no one here thinkgs Apple should cave in. But then there are lots more engineers here who think about devices and security.

Re:I must know the other half ...

[sdinfoserv]

Same engineers who are busy throwing together the IoT without a second thought on security?

The polls are probably skewed towards elderly

[dgatwood]

One big problem with Pew studies is how they are conducted. They're often done using random telephone calling, and the people who are most educated on technology issues are also the ones least likely to pick up the phone.

Response rates are only something like 10%, and they're likely to be skewed towards the elderly. Take a look at the Snowden studies, where people over about 40 were highly skewed towards believing the government, whereas people under 40 were highly skewed towards believing Snowden, and you now understand why this poll should be taken with a grain of salt.

Re:They're asking the wrong question

[TrekkieGod]

The right way to ask it is "Do you think Apple should help the FBI, even though it helps Russian hackers get into your phone?"

Except that's not true. This battle has been phrased as the encryption backdoor battle, but they're not at all the same. After all, adding an encryption back door now, wouldn't help the FBI with a phone encrypted before the backdoor was added.

What the court order has asked Apple to do is to create an OS version, to be installed on this one phone to which they have a warrant to, that will remove the feature to automatically delete the contents if the phone if more than ten incorrect password attempts are made, and to allow software to brute force it. Since by default only a 4 digit PIN serves as the key to the encryption, 10,000 combinations shouldn't be a problem.

The government isn't asking Apple to weaken its encryption. In fact, their current software allows you to disable "simple passcode", and you could have a long, complex password. If you do, Apple can provide everything the government is requesting, and they're still not going to get your data, because they're not going to be able to brute force it. It's up to you to decide whether you want your phone to be encrypted strongly enough to sustain such an attack, or you want the convenience of a short password with content erase policy which will be good enough protection against the average phone thief. For this court order, the government isn't trying to take that right away from you. If they were, I'd side with Apple. As it stands, I think they absolutely have the right to what they are asking.

But did they also include ...

[Tjp($)pjT]

Did the pollsters add the information that the court limits it to this phone, and apple would have to create and test a new version of the iOS operating system code at the expense of potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars and likely a possibility of having to specifically hire additional people to make up for the diversion of resources internally in Apple to comply, as well as potentially delay the release of new versions of the iOS software in the normal flow, as well as potentially ripple the delay to delaying new products?

People seem to think this requires no effort or expense on Apple's part to comply with the request, where the reality is it affects the iOS family devices as a whole, and carries a considerable expense.

Additionally it is to cover for the sloppy government handling of the iCloud account associated with the phone in the first place.

And the open liability issue if their one of a kind OS version, tied to a single device and no other, fails catastrophically. Testing alone would be a nightmare as you'd have to duplicate the essential elements of the target phone on a test device, and then test against it ...

Tim Cook is correct in denying compliance. It opens a huge can of worms (read liability) on Apple. And Tim's job is not to give the government free services and incur liability that can be avoided. It is to protect the fiduciary rights of the stockholders.

I think if the pollsters included a scale of what amount of money Apple should spend on compliance, as well as what amount of delay is acceptable for Apple's product shipment dates given as multiple choice questions, the results would be very different. You could be talking about delaying the next releases over a significant time period where apple not only losses expenses related to the compliance directly, but losses due to product delays and loss of market share as unencumbered companies have a DOJ wedge edge created.

Re:Wrong

[LostMyBeaver]

Consider that 40% of humans on earth probably doesn't even understand the question. For that fact, probably most people lack the ability to understand cause and effect beyond what is clearly spelled out to them at the given time in the given context. As such, their decision making process is limited to "Terrorism bad. Terrorism scary. Stop terrorism."

It's the world's dilemma. How do you give people freedom and give them the rights of humanity to be part of the process of choosing representation? Consider what you end up with as leaders using fair rules. You get Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. With those kind of choices, we know it's obvious that the current system is failing. The Romans tried an alternative which was to provide weights for voters based on social class. This of course was a less than optimal system because a higher class didn't necessarily mean a smarter person... in fact, it really only meant a wealthier person. So, do we try a system which provides weights to votes based on IQ tests?

Consider this... I've asked this question in rooms full of technical people. I asked how many of them were likely to spend the time on the phone answering questions. The result was an overwhelming "not me". Does this mean that the technical people are giving up their right to be represented because some idiot at Pew report couldn't get anyone but rednecks that can't comprehend the repercussions of such a decision?

Notice, it clearly said telephone calls. What kind of people even talk to these people anymore? What's worse is... do we have an alternative that is better? How would you sample "The American Public"? How would you choose 1000 people throughout America that would represent a sample set? Would you include a physicist from MIT? Would you find a black woman in a trailer home in Alabama? Would you find a 18 year old Jew studying talmud in Omaha? Would you find a 67 year old Imam in a Mosque in Mississippi (is there such a thing?). After you ask them the obvious question, would you explain to them why it's even worth asking the about? Would you explain that this would set a legal precedent that could give the government the power they need to snoop more and more into their own information? Would you ask the again after that? Would you note how their opinions changed when you gave them a new "This is bad... don't do this" feeling? Would you be gaining their opinions or would you be dictating your opinion to them? Would that change whether this represented the Americans as now you've "educated them" and changed their perspective?

The system is completely flawed, but there's no alternative. mass stupidity represents the wide scale human species.We have no way to limit the vast scope of stupid and we can't cure it and we can't leave stupid unrepresented because they do in fact represent the majority.

The problem is... we also can't use the results of some telephone survey to make decisions because it leaves too many other groups unrepresented. Why not ask Pew how many phone calls they had to make to get 1000 responses? That should be enough to disprove the validity of such a report.