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Google Is Lighting Up Dark Fiber All Over the Country (vice.com)

sarahnaomi writes: For years, San Francisco has had a robust fiber optic infrastructure laying dormant underneath its streets. Google announced Wednesday that it's going to start lighting some of those cables up. Welcome to the future of broadband in major cities. Most people don't know that many cities throughout the United States are already wired with "dark fiber": infrastructure that, for a variety of reasons, is never used to provide gigabit connections to actual residents. This fiber is often laid by companies you rarely hear about, like Zayo and Level 3, which lay fiber infrastructure in hopes the city, a provider like Google, or a corporate customer (like an office building) will eventually make use of it.

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  1. Been here since the late 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google long ago bought up much of this fiber and has been sitting on it. Patiently waiting for ATT,Comcast, Verizon to all back themselves into a corner.

  2. Former Level3 employee here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, Level3 laid a lot of extra fiber (and conduits) throughout major metro areas.

    The fiber itself was not very expensive (they use horizontal boring tools that have become the standard for under-street improvements), the real cost is in the gear needed to light and amplify signals on the fiber. My most recent former employer set up a 10GbS link between primary and colo sites for minimal cost by leveraging the Level3 fiber.

    If a well-funded organization like Google (Level3 has been cash constrained since the telecom crash) can lease and light these fibers it will be (yet) another major disruption to the metro network players, and frankly, it is about damned time

    1. Re:Former Level3 employee here by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, Level3 laid a lot of extra fiber (and conduits) throughout major metro areas.

      The fiber itself was not very expensive (they use horizontal boring tools that have become the standard for under-street improvements), the real cost is in the gear needed to light and amplify signals on the fiber. My most recent former employer set up a 10GbS link between primary and colo sites for minimal cost by leveraging the Level3 fiber.

      If a well-funded organization like Google (Level3 has been cash constrained since the telecom crash) can lease and light these fibers it will be (yet) another major disruption to the metro network players, and frankly, it is about damned time

      I can't find it by googling (amusing that) but I heard that Google over a decade ago snapped up a bunch of dark fiber after the .com bust. I had wondered what they were intending to do with that...

      Here's hoping they light that shit up like a christmas tree :)

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    2. Re:Former Level3 employee here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There was a big fire-sale going on since 2001
      In some cases Level3 (while they still could) made extended bond offerings so that they could pick up companies like Broadwing, in other case companies like Cogent bought up failed fiber providers.
      For the most part Level3 sought companies that had technology similar to their own (e.g.the head of Broadwing used to work for Level3) while Cogent bought whatever they could get cheapest and kept ti cobbled together to force prices down and (they hoped) to strangle Level3 out of business before they could get back on an even footing.
      My bet is that Google has a sweet leasing deal with Level3

    3. Re:Former Level3 employee here by elistan · · Score: 3, Informative

      My city has recently begun rolling out 1gbps fiber to all residents. The city has a 10gbps pipe to the outside world. My ONT's IP address is a L3 address, so I assume the city is using fiber and perhaps even equipment belonging to L3. I think a lot of the fiber being used is from the '90s. (Except the new runs to everybody's house, of course.)

    4. Re:Former Level3 employee here by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sure if it's the story you were thinking of, but there was a little bit of discussion in the tech press/blogs in 2005 in response to someone noticing that Google had put out a job posting for a "strategic negotiator" with experience in "identification, selection, and negotiation of dark fiber contracts both in metropolitan areas and over long distances as part of development of a global backbone network". That led to a lot of speculation over what precisely Google was planning to do.

  3. Google also putting down lots of new fiber by DRichardHipp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in Charlotte, there are crews all over trenching in new fiber conduit - both for Google and for AT&T. I found it interesting that the AT&T crews that I've seen are putting in a single 1-inch conduit, whereas the Google crews are putting in multiple (sometimes as many as five) 2-inch conduits. Maybe Google is just trying to catch up. Or maybe they have bigger plans.

    1. Re:Google also putting down lots of new fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Seattle...Director's Rules.

      I'm sick of my ISDN line at home. Fifteen years ago when I lived in Rock Hill, SC, just south of Charlotte, NC mentioned by the GP, I had a connection over a hundred times faster than I now have in Seattle, WA. This is supposed to be a tech city, but everyone I know outside of work hates the Internet and wants to limit access to it. The city is very anti-Internet. They won't allow CenturyLink to upgrade to fiber in my area, and they won't allow Comcast, despite their government-granted monopoly for the area, to dig up the street to bury cable.

    2. Re:Google also putting down lots of new fiber by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sick of my ISDN line at home. Fifteen years ago when I lived in Rock Hill, SC, just south of Charlotte, NC mentioned by the GP, I had a connection over a hundred times faster than I now have in Seattle, WA. This is supposed to be a tech city, but everyone I know outside of work hates the Internet and wants to limit access to it. The city is very anti-Internet. They won't allow CenturyLink to upgrade to fiber in my area, and they won't allow Comcast, despite their government-granted monopoly for the area, to dig up the street to bury cable.

      I apologize in advance but I don't get many opportunities to do this... but...

      I have Time Warner, bitch!! Envy me!! AHAHAHAHA!

      Okay, sorry about that. It's one of those bucket-list things I never thought I'd ever get to check off.

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  4. Most People Don't Know by 31415926535897 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most people don't know that many cities throughout the United States are already wired with "dark fiber"...

    except those who have been a part of Slashdot because it's been talked about before, more than once. E.G. (ca. 2005) http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

    If they actually start lighting it up in more places, however, that would indeed be good news.

  5. Re:Attributing it to private industry... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once again, we see the government stepping in to solve a problem private industry wouldn't touch.

    The problem you describe, is caused by government in the first place. In this case, municipalities offering up "Franchise" agreements to ONE company for Cable (not Fiber) and excluding all others.

    Yes, this is typical "Government" causing a problem that only it can solve by itself. And not really solving ANY problems in the long run, but actually causing MORE problems than needed.

    IF the Municipalities instead built a single COLO facility and brought fiber to every residence or business (or at least Conduit), we could have private enterprise competing for customers, without needing a franchise agreement. BUT nobody thinks along those lines, and thus, we have government solving problems, that create more problems, that only government can solve!

    And in the end, you have bureaucrats and politicians taking over more and more control of our lives, while people like yourself blame businesses for doing exactly what governments are telling them what they can and cannot do!

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  6. Google isnt the only one by darkain · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google isn't the only company doing this. CenturyLink just lit up old dark fiber in my neighborhood. I just got my gigabit install setup last night with them. It is really sweet to finally see some serious competition in the fiber to the home space after almost two decades of failed promises.