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HoloLens For Developers Available For Pre-Order (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft's HoloLens, touted as the world's 'first and only fully untethered holographic computer' is available today for pre-order and will ship on March 30. The HoloLens Development Edition is available for purchase to qualified developer applicants and will cost $3,000. While the augmented-reality headset is still far from a commercial release to consumers, Microsoft will release six applications that run on the holographic platform – a mix of development tools, games, and user programs. From today, developers can access documentation, guides and tutorials for HoloLens. Additional development tools will be made available when the first HoloLens ship at the end of March, including Visual Studio projects and a HoloLens emulator, which will allow testing of holographic apps on a PC without a physical HoloLens.

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  1. This platform... by Arkh89 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is not "holographic"...
    But hey, asking Microsoft to stop abusing something is a lost fight, right?

    1. Re:This platform... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, in fairness, marketing people all over the world are prone to bullshit exaggeration and a fundamental lack of understanding that words have actual meanings

      Marketing hype will always be marketing hype.

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    2. Re:This platform... by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      What, you don't refer to the device you view slashdot on as a "Liquid Crystal Computer"?

    3. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The product is crap anyway. The region of the user's visual field in which the "holograms" appear is too small. It totally breaks immersion.

      Also, the images are not opaque enough, so the real-world objects in the visual field bleed too much into the holograms.

      It was a noble attempt, but they focused too much on that real-time gesture recognition stuff and too little on the immersion that is necessary to sell a product like this.

    4. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to troll at least put some more effort into it.

    5. Re:This platform... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Wait, we have liquid crystal computers these days?

      Woah. :-P

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    6. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also in fairness, describing this as "holographic" really isn't very far from the meaning of that word in the eyes of your typical person.

      That it also has a technical meaning is not particularly relevant. It's a good, descriptive name. The average person doesn't care how something works, they care about what experience they have.

      (One might also note that the "holodeck" in ST:TNG is also not truly "holographic". But the term conveys the right meaning to the average person, which is what such terms are ultimately for.)

    7. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LCC is to LCD as Holographic Computer is to Hololens device, and as woosh is to head.

    8. Re:This platform... by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Baby steps. Not one VR provider will nail it first go especially if they aren't willing to wait for the right moment like Apple did.

    9. Re:This platform... by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Keep in mind that HoloLens is not targeting VR gaming as its primary market segment. It is targeting AR applications, moving computer operations off the screen and putting them into our world. So the visual field and opacity may be meaningful design choices, to keep you grounded in reality.

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    10. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is pandering to the ignorance of the average person "in fairness"?

      Also, I hate to break it to you, but the "holodeck" in ST:TNG is not real.

    11. Re:This platform... by sunderland56 · · Score: 0

      The product is crap anyway.

      Thankfully they're putting the Microsoft logo on it, to warn the consumer.

    12. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, I hate to break it to you, but the "holodeck" in ST:TNG is not real.

      How dare they use fake holograms!

    13. Re:This platform... by chispito · · Score: 1

      is not "holographic"... But hey, asking Microsoft to stop abusing something is a lost fight, right?

      I have a hard time getting worked up over Microsoft's marketing hyperbole. Did they call it "magic?" Yawn.

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    14. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Magic Leap.

    15. Re:This platform... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And Googles Android platform isnt an ... Android.

      So please, do fuck off.

    16. Re:This platform... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Apple devices aren't apples.

      Amazon doesn't sell forests or rivers.

      Home Depot doesn't sell homes.

      Southwest Airlines flies outside of the southwest.

      Facebook doesn't sell faces or books.

      And Best Buy isn't best at anything.

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    17. Re:This platform... by tlambert · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that HoloLens is not targeting VR gaming as its primary market segment. It is targeting AR applications, moving computer operations off the screen and putting them into our world. So the visual field and opacity may be meaningful design choices, to keep you grounded in reality.

      Then it makes more sense for the Alpha channel bleed through to be adjustable from partial to full opacity, and then just default to partial.

      I know that people who like semi-transparent terminal windows, and then ask me to come over and look at their code floating on top of their pet cat tend to drive me nuts, since it makes it harder to concentrate on the code instead of the cat, unless the terminal window is 100% opaque, and the irrelevant information (i.e. the cat) is removed from the field of view.

      I certainly hope the "...moving computer operations off the screen and putting them into our world" you claim they are targeting are not terminal windows, or I foresee another "But BROWN! Why the hell did you pick BROWN as a Zune color?!?" moment for Microsoft's human factors team.

    18. Re:This platform... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      I certainly hope the "...moving computer operations off the screen and putting them into our world" you claim they are targeting are not terminal windows

      I'm talking about three dimensional applications. Things like creating annotations on real-world objects, visualizing the internal parts of equipment, visual feedback from telepresence systems, architecting a house while standing "inside it" on the vacant lot, GPS navigation overlays in the real world... and, I suppose if you really wanted you could probably get it to bring up a terminal window (from what I understand, non-holographic universal Windows apps can be moved into the 3D AR space).

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    19. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using words so that they are understood is fair.

      Siri isn't a person, but is evocative of a person. Hololens is not holography, but is evocative of holography.

    20. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      architecting a house while standing "inside it" on the vacant lot

      That's pretty pointless to be standing out in the vacant lot with gear on your head. Ooh, we can walk around and trip over that rock that we couldn't see. Clients would be much happier in a nice office, being fed refreshments while they tour the latest mock-up.

    21. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, in fairness, that is no excuse to propagate bad behavior. Your handwaving sounds like the words of a child.

      "But mommy, mommy, the other kids are doing it!"

      Grow up.

    22. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, no.

      Try reading a book some time, junior.

    23. Re:This platform... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fictional films are not real stories, but are evocative of real stories so we should call them real.

      In other words, you are a fucking moron.

  2. I'm so excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so excited to that we're going to get another VR/AR hype-cycle over and done with, in less than about two year's time, I'd say. Then they can take it back to the lab, and try to make something people actually want at a price they can afford, and we'll have some peace for another six years. Current products don't cut it, and they will fail.

    P.S. Mooo guy, we've had the "VR is for cows" message today, so don't even.

  3. You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now! by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Funny

    It comes with a cool animation of 3000 dollars leaving your wallet that can overlay the real-world image of your accountant telling you you're broke.

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  4. Immersive experience by jetkust · · Score: 0

    The full hololens experience is three hours of a 3d Cortana asking you to upgrade your computer followed by a 4d blue screen. It's actually pretty nice. Definitely worth 3 grand.

  5. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    And we should feel sympathy for early adopters of technology ... why?

    I applaud the people who have money to piss away on new technology which is as yet unproven, they pave the way for the rest of us to get a version which actually works.

    If you spent your last $3k on this technology thinking it was going to make you rich, well, sucks to be you.

    Those guys who splash out $20K on the latest TV technology? Thanks for allowing the failure rate of new technology to keep going so we don't have to be the suckers who bought it on the first iteration.

    But don't expect us to care if that money you had to spend on the latest and greatest turned out to be a bad choice; cutting edge can cut both ways.

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  6. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

    $3000 dollars to be first one to develop for a platform that may become popular is a small price to pay.

  7. Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

    But as someone who owns a Newton, an N-Gage, a Google Glass, and an Apple Watch, I feel it is my duty to buy one of these. My collection won't be complete without it.

    1. Re:Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      You could probably sell the Newton on eBay for more than you originally paid for it.

    2. Re:Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But as someone who owns a Newton, an N-Gage, a Google Glass, and an Apple Watch, I feel it is my duty to buy one of these. My collection won't be complete without it.

      Do you have the developer edition of all of those? Or just the consumer version, which is much cheaper?

    3. Re:Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

      I have a developer version of the Oculus I'd be willing to sell you for $700.

    4. Re:Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      Maybe not. Looks like "working" Newton MessagePad 120 and 130 models are nearly all going for well under $100.

    5. Re:Three grand... that's kind of ouchy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot, but either way this release is for developers (you know, companies).

  8. Hands On? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone have any hands on experience with this or other "holographic headsets"? I'm wondering if they have decent resolution, frame rate, color, etc or are they like comparing old green screens to today's 30" monitors? It would be neat if you could simply wear a headset that would allow you to slap virtual monitors, calendars, reminders, tv's etc throughout your home/work environment but I'm having a hard time believing that the consumer grade equipment is anywhere near that capable yet. Not that it is necessarily a technology problem, accelerators, screens, cameras, and processors of today should be up to the task (though you might have to use a standard display and overlay a video image behind it instead of a see through display, and battery life might be an issue), its just that I have yet to see anything personally where they put it all together.

    1. Re:Hands On? by flarb936 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've spent a decent amount of time with HoloLens including trying out the included apps and I can say this is very impressive. The small FOV makes it hard to use as an extra (infinite) set of monitors. But you can definitely get the feel for how this future will work from this device--it's surprisingly fast, lightweight, and produces some great looking graphics.

      You can indeed slap windows in the real world and they'll stay there forever. And, people/objects in the real world will occlude your windows when they move in front of it.

      It's really kind of awesome.

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    2. Re:Hands On? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Great stuff. Do you still have a copy of the NDA you signed?

      Microsoft

    3. Re:Hands On? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      What about augmented reality virtual anime wifu?

    4. Re:Hands On? by flarb936 · · Score: 1

      Heh--no NDA with the public demo! They had invite only demo events all around the country. I wrote up a review of it here:

      http://ralphbarbagallo.com/201...

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  9. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    /oblg. "Be the first to invest now in a bridge joining two communities. Huge opportunity!!!"

    Evaluation of HoloLens:

    [x] Fad
    [x] Device
    [x] Hype train
    [x] Lacks apps
    [x] Consumers (generally) don't give a fuck
    [ ] Overpriced Consumer Kit
    [x] Overpriced Dev Kit
    [ ] Ship it!

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  10. Such a fussbudget. by westlake · · Score: 1

    This platform is not "holographic"...

    Neither were the Star Trek's holodecks, if you want to be pedantic about the thing. The point is that words take on new meanings in popular usage - casual usage - that won't always be found in the dictionary. The HoloLens places virtual objects in real environments in a way that is persuasive to the viewer, which is the most you can ask of a real holographic projection.

    But hey, asking Microsoft to stop abusing something is a lost fight, right?

  11. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    $3000 dollars to be first one to develop for a platform that may become popular is a small price to pay.

    Maybe you should ask all those early adopter Glassholes that dumped thousands in to a product that's now vanished with only rumors of a new and improved replacement version that doesn't draw public contempt.

  12. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $3000 dollars to be first one to develop for a platform that may become popular is a small price to pay.

    Unless they make it in the form of a pair of contact lenses and do away with the UAP (if you haven't made an app for Windows UAP this cannot be stressed enough) it won't become popular.

  13. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by SirSlud · · Score: 2

    And we should feel sympathy for early adopters of technology ... why?

    I'm curious - who asked you to feel sympathy for early adopters of technology? Somebody down at the library? John, from account management? A little bird?

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  14. Specs link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are there any facts out there? Something like pixel resolution to compare with htc playstatio rv and occulus? And if you are in a pitch black room is there no image becuase no ambient light?

    1. Re:Specs link? by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      I don't know if the stuff they're shipping to developers is the same as the stuff that I demoed in the last Build conference, but I was fairly underwhelmed by what I saw. It had a lot of promise. I'll give Microsoft credit for figuring out how to (for the most part) make the "holograms" stay put. If something was supposed to be sitting on a real-world table, you could walk all around the table and the object would still look like it was sitting there. But it was far from being something that a consumer would enjoy.

      In particular, all the mocked-up screenshots they show you make it seems as if the "holograms" cover your full range in vision. In fact, with the unit I saw, the holograms were limited to a small square that hovered in the center of your face. You had zero peripheral vision on any axis, horizontal or vertical. And my hunch is that this is all down to cost, because people told me an earlier prototype actually performed better. If Microsoft wanted to ship a model today that would deliver what they've led consumers to expect, I strongly suspect it would cost far more than $3,000.

      I tried to illustrate what the experience was like for me in this article.

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  15. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    $3,000 broke, huh?

    Funny. I remember spending something like $3,300 for a PowerMac G4. It was the first hardware on the market that shipped with a DVD-R burner, and I was the first guy on my block to start using DeCSS to burn DVD-Rs.

    I would have been in my mid/late 20s, and I didn't even bother to talk to an accountant about it.

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  16. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by KGIII · · Score: 0

    If you're not strong enough to attack real monsters then you invent straw men and attack those. We're humans, it's what we do.

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  17. Most new products are like this. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Baby steps. Not one VR provider will nail it first go especially if they aren't willing to wait for the right moment like Apple did.

    Most new products are like this.

    Until Apple yells "You're doing it WRONG! You're doing it WRONG! Give me the damn mouse and let me drive for a minute... there! THAT'S how you get past that level to the next level!".

    1. Re:Most new products are like this. by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Baby steps. Not one VR provider will nail it first go especially if they aren't willing to wait for the right moment like Apple did.

      Most new products are like this.

      Until Apple yells "You're doing it WRONG! You're doing it WRONG! Give me the damn mouse and let me drive for a minute... there! THAT'S how you get past that level to the next level!".

      BTW, I read somewhere recently that Apple is on a VR/AR hiring spree...

  18. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    The $3000 isn't what killed him. It was the Google Glass, the 3DTV's, the various VR headsets, and a million other fads that just added up.

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  19. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

    Evaluation of HoloLens:

    [x] Fad
    [x] Device
    [x] Hype train
    [x] Lacks apps
    [x] Consumers (generally) don't give a fuck
    [ ] Overpriced Consumer Kit
    [x] Overpriced Dev Kit
    [ ] Ship it!

    I'm not sure if your ditching the tech as a whole or just Hololen. If your ditching the tech as a whole I hate to tell you this but you're in for a surprise. The current state of the tech is crap but it's potential is huge. If you get onboard early and become good at developing for it, it's the key to unlocking large opportunities down the road. As a software business it's just a smart move in anticipation for what's coming especially if you offering can benefit from it. If you're just an employee looking to broaden you horizon then this may be a good place to look.

    AR is still in infancy and will grow to replace most visual displays and some input methods.

    My 2 cents.

  20. Interacting with the real world by Etherwalk · · Score: 1

    I'm talking about three dimensional applications. Things like creating annotations on real-world objects, visualizing the internal parts of equipment, visual feedback from telepresence systems, architecting a house while standing "inside it" on the vacant lot, GPS navigation overlays in the real world...

    Exactly.

    There is a lot of MS hate on slashdot, and now people who haven't tried a product, much less tried all of the potential applications for it, are belittling it out of that juvenile hatred. If they don't like it they shouldn't buy it, but they're still going to bash it.

    We're nerds. It's a cool technology. Let's play with it and see what we can do with it.

    The technology has a huge potential for a wide array of uses, initially in the business space and then the luxury market, and over time it will improve and become more useful for everyday work in a variety of fields and for consumer use. The color monitor on an 8086 wasn't that impressive either, but color monitors kept getting better.

  21. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by macs4all · · Score: 0

    If you're not strong enough to attack real monsters then you invent straw men and attack those. We're humans, it's what we do.

    GREAT Answer!

  22. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    If you're a developer hopefully you can afford more than one devkit...

  23. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    I can't think that developers will be gobbling this up. Even for a mid size company is 3000$ for an SDK a lot of money. Microsoft is not cool enough that people blindly drop any amount on the table just because it is their product. Used to work for Apple, but even their customers realized that they only get some tech that others sell for less. Microsoft totally overpriced the SDK. They should have set it to a much lower price and take a hit on the few units shipped to devs. Once there is a product with applications find ways to monetize that.

  24. Re:You can see the money leave your bank in 3D now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should look what some of the other commercial heads up displays. And they don't have the augmented reality capabilities.