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New Report Cites Dangers of Autonomous Weapons

HughPickens.com writes: A new report written by a former Pentagon official who helped establish United States policy on autonomous weapons argues that autonomous weapons could be uncontrollable in real-world environments, where they are subject to design failure as well as hacking, spoofing and manipulation by adversaries. The report contrasts these completely automated systems, which have the ability to target and kill without human intervention, to weapons that keep humans "in the loop" in the process of selecting and engaging targets. "Anyone who has ever been frustrated with an automated telephone call support helpline, an alarm clock mistakenly set to 'p.m.' instead of 'a.m.,' or any of the countless frustrations that come with interacting with computers, has experienced the problem of 'brittleness' that plagues automated systems," Mr. Scharre writes.

The United States military does not have advanced autonomous weapons in its arsenal. However, this year the Defense Department requested almost $1 billion to manufacture Lockheed Martin's Long Range Anti-Ship Missile, which is described as a "semiautonomous" weapon. The missile is controversial because, although a human operator will initially select a target, it is designed to fly for several hundred miles while out of contact with the controller and then automatically identify and attack an enemy ship. As an alternative to completely autonomous weapons, the report advocates what it describes as "Centaur Warfighting." The term "centaur" has recently come to describe systems that tightly integrate humans and computers. Human-machine combat teaming takes a page from the field of "centaur chess," in which humans and machines play cooperatively on the same team. "Having a person in the loop is not enough," says Scharre. "They can't be just a cog in the loop. The human has to be actively engaged."

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  1. Duh... by mspohr · · Score: 2

    They needed a high level official report to figure this out?

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    1. Re:Duh... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      Of course. The military won't believe anything that hasn't been stated by a high level official report costing $10s of millions.

  2. The *US* missile is "controversial"?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about the KH-22 (or AS4 "Kitchen") that the Soviets/Russians have actually fielded - since 1962.

    The Kh-22 uses an Isayev liquid-fuel rocket engine, fueled with TG-02 (Tonka-250) and IRFNA (inhibited red fuming nitric acid), giving it a maximum speed of Mach 4.6 and a range of up to 600 km (320 nmi). It can be launched in either high-altitude or low-altitude mode. In high-altitude mode, it climbs to an altitude of 27,000 m (89,000 ft) and makes a high-speed dive into the target, with a terminal speed of about Mach 4.6. In low-altitude mode, it climbs to 12,000 m (39,000 ft) and makes a shallow dive at about Mach 3.5, making the final approach at an altitude under 500 m (1,600 ft). The missile is guided by a gyro-stabilized autopilot in conjunction with a radio altimeter.

    Fly 600 KM - then hit whatever it happens to find. Potentially with a nuclear warhead.

    Oh, that's right. That doesn't fit into typical thoughtless anti-US bullshit. Sorry to mess up your narrative.

    1. Re: The *US* missile is "controversial"?!?!?! by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

      It's not anything nearly as fancy as AI.

      For the land attack flavors:

      TERCOM / GPS flys along a preprogrammed path, DSMAC takes over for final target comparison / verification.

      Overwater flight is static planned just prior to launch to route around known vessels / structures. Once it reaches the shoreline, the pre-planned mission takes over.

      If an anti-ship variant, once the platform reaches the final static waypoint, it fires up the active seeker and starts looking for a target within the AOU. ( it is here EW gear goes into holy shit mode ) Bad thing is, the Block III wasn't able to differentiate between targets within the AOU, so the first one it found within its search area is going to have a bad day. Even more amusing is we will never launch just one at an enemy ship. The ship class and known defenses are taken into account to determine how many we'll throw at it to over-saturate its defensive capabilities to ensure a kill.

      Thats kind of why we don't like throwing long range AS cruise missiles out there. Put a dozen into an AOU and there isn't much telling what they'll decide is a valid target when they arrive a half hour later.

      The LRASM platform does all this but will probably add some sort of passive target comparison / verification before the seeker goes active during its terminal run. It will also have the ability to route around unknown or pop-up threats though I'm not clear on how that will work without an active seeker running.

  3. u.s. has had them for decades by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    land mines are autonomous weapons, no human is in the decision loop to fire when the preset conditions for detonation are met.

    http://www.un.org/en/globaliss...

    1. Re:u.s. has had them for decades by WolfgangVL · · Score: 2

      You're correct, though the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction treaty was signed in 1997, and has since then accumulated 133 signatory parties all doing their part, keeping those EOD boys and girls excited.

      http://www.un.org/disarmament/...

      AP Mines are recognized as pure evil, and we no longer make and sell them to dictators and such. (or at least that's what we SAY) Our evils are much smarter now, and the smarter evils will keep getting smarter. This is the discussion we need to be having. As the IT crowd, we all know there is a host of very bad things that can go wrong with the use of even semi-autonomous anythings..... for countless reasons, not the least being security. I wouldn't want to be the guy fusing and/or priming the boomboom box that operates on some remote signal, doubly so in a populated place like a munitions depot or air force garrison full of bored soldiers and airmen on their smartphones.

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  4. Autonomous Weapons = High Value Target by sinij · · Score: 2

    Autonomous Weapons are high value targets for hacking. More so than banking. I don't envy poor souls that were tasked with meeting such design challenges.

    Imagine you had to design portable ATM that has to operate flawlessly even when moved to a crack den without having reliable connectivity to C&C.

    1. Re:Autonomous Weapons = High Value Target by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      You could couple autonomous weapons with autonomous cars and have autonomous drive by shootings... or just hack the autonomous car and crash it into someone or something.

      This is what I don't understand is... we can't create autonomous emergency braking systems that avoid unforeseen circumstances and manufacturing defects how the hell is autonomous weapons even remotely a good idea let alone autonomous cars.

  5. Korea DMZ by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

    There was a autonomous gun system demo'ed for the DMZ between the Korea's. Don't know if they ever deployed it, but it "locked" on to anyone who moved in the target zone and fired.

  6. Re:Autonomous = Future by gweihir · · Score: 2

    And in addition, the enemy will really love this, as instead of buying their own weapons they can just hack and re-purpose those of the enemy. Ideal terrorist weapon too. Anybody that thinks the government can secure these systems is off their rocker.

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  7. The differences by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The missile is guided by a gyro-stabilized autopilot in conjunction with a radio altimeter.

    Fly 600 KM - then hit whatever it happens to find.

    That is the main difference between classical intercontinental ballistic/guided missiles and the autonomous weapons mentionned here.

    Classical missile mainly flight to a specific point (which was decided in advance by a human being) a go ka-boom on whatever happens to be at that point.
    If the intelligence on which the human was acting is precise (i.e.: exact coordinate of the position of the targets are known) the missile exactly hits the target that the human intended. If the intelligence is wrong, the missile still goes exactly where it was asked to, it's the human who asked the wrong thing.
    Think throwing a rock on a target, shooting a target with an arrow. Only with more complex gadgets.

    Autonomous weapon on the other hand a deployed or reach a region (which is what was decided by the human being) and then on *their own* start looking around to find potential target that they engage on their own autonomous decision. The human being is not the own who is taking the final decision in the grand scheme of things, it's the AI running inside the autonomous weapon. The weapon is at risk of misinterpreting what it perceives and wrongly take decisions to engage.
    Think Aliens movie-style automatic gun turrets.

    So the historic precedent of such unwanted destruction isn't as much classical missile that you mention (where the commander giving the order to fire more or less knows what is going to happen).
    The closest historic precedent are *mines*. Object that are left on order by human, but then would activate and explode without much control by the ordering humans. With very strong risks that they'll end up harming the wrong target (left over mine that explode and maim local civilian population long after the conflict is finished). That's why mines got banned by several countries.

    That's why it's really risky to leave an AI (That could be hacked or spoofed) to make the decisions.

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  8. Still, the best analogy by DrYak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Autonomy implies some sort of ability for decision making and control, which is far more desirable than how mines actually operate (although some do have the ability to self-deactivate after a set time).

    Though we must concede that you're right in that mine are really primitive mecanisme that don't exactly have an AI and thus are far from autonomous...

    A human makes the conscious decision to attack anything that enters the area when the mines are placed. Just because it may be years before that happens does not mean mines are autonomous, just delayed.

    ...mines are still the best historical analogy that we have for problems brought by autonomous weapon.

    In both situation, human have only a vague input about the region that should be attacked.
    - mines are deployed over an area
    - autonomous weapons are sent to seek for potential target in a designated area

    In both situation the human ARE NOT the one making the decision about the detonation.
    - mine detonate on their own when they sense some form of proximity
    - autonomous weapons are autonomous, they are suposed to pick up and engage their target on their own without further human input

    In both situation things can go horribly wrong
    - mines have been left over for long period of time and have often maimed innocent civilians long after the conflict is finished.
    - AI can go wrong in lots of ways (wrong instruction, or plain hostile hacking/spoofing) and end up engaging the wrong target.

    Currently mines are banned by lots of countries.
    Same should be done with pure autonomous unsupervised weapons.

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  9. Re:Don't they know that guns don't kill people? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

    So an autonomous gun wouldn't kill anyone?