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Amazon Just Removed Encryption From the Software Powering Kindles, Smartphones, Tablets (dailydot.com)

Patrick O'Neill writes: While Apple continues to resist a court order requiring it to help the FBI access a terrorist's phone, another major tech company took a strange and unexpected step away from encryption. Amazon has removed device encryption from the operating system that powers its Kindle e-reader, Fire Phone, Fire Tablet, and Fire TV devices. The change, which took effect in Fire OS 5, affects millions of users.

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  1. Not the e-ink kindle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only the Fire OS powered Kindle, which is a full fledged tablet with the Amazon android fork. Old fashioned e-ink kindle doesn't have encryption to start with.

  2. Amazon finally went DRM free? by sims+2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thats awesome!.....Darn that's not what TFA said at all.

    So the rich people get to keep their encryption (DRM) and the rest of us get screwed again.

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    1. Re:Amazon finally went DRM free? by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't use kindle fire for the same kind of personal data you use your phone for, at least most of the time. Remember when there were librarians, and they seriously cared about and fought back against government demands to see what you checked out of the library?

      Yeah. Amazon's not a librarian.

      Amazon is a data-driven company that you have to assume keeps records of everything you do through them indefinitely. Since their ultimate market plan is to have a tiny slice of every transaction on the planet, they in many ways are a much bigger threat to your privacy than the FBI.

      But they're really convenient.

    2. Re:Amazon finally went DRM free? by Ravaldy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not going to comment on their decision until a formal statement is made. I say this because this decision appears to be so out of line with the current marketing trends and strategies that there may be a good reason regardless of how dumb it appears.

  3. I'd prefer no encryption by Rhaize · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to easily circumvented encryption. Seems more honest that way.

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  4. NOW they tell me! by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    After I already ordered an Amazon Echo... so now there is nothing stopping the NSA from listening to everything said in my house? Man, they are really going to be bored!

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  5. How is that even legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's like a car company disabling half the cylinders in your engine after you buy the car.

    Reducing the functionality of a purchased product post-purchase is sleazy and probably should be considered illegal on some level.

  6. What is encrypted on these devices? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been looking through TFA and related material, but I'm still trying to figure out what this actually means in practice. What data, on an e-book reader, is usefully encrypted anyway? This is a genuine question, as I don't have any sort of Kindle. Perhaps there is integration with payment services or personal accounts of some kind? If so, does this mean anyone who installs this "upgrade" and then has their device stolen would have some significant credentials compromised?

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    1. Re:What is encrypted on these devices? by bigCstyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      and integrated one click payment/account info

    2. Re:What is encrypted on these devices? by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      the kindles running fire os are android tablets. it's just a name for their fork.

      I think they quit paying whoever was providing them with that or it's not compatible with new kernel and they can't be bothered to fix it.

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  7. Re: No Surprise by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It doesn't just affect the sheeple, it sets a precedant. Now the three-letter agencies can say "look Apple, Amazon got rid of encryption and they're doing fine!"

    Perhaps that might work for the average idiot, but someone with half a brain can easily argue that you could remove the locks from your front door and then turn a blind eye to anything bad that might happen. "Look, that citizen got rid of their locks, and they're doing just fine!"

    Not for long applies to both idiotic "solutions".

  8. Re: Be One Of Us! by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    or not.

    Amazon wasn't exactly making inroads into the consumer market anyway.

    now a stolen device will destroy your life they are worth less than nothing.

    Actually, this is a good point. So if you have an Amazon phone (all four of you), you may well want to start shopping for a new one - probably today. No idea who would put sensitive info on their Kindle, though...

    Now the fun question is, do they still have DRM/encryption on all their eBooks? I'm betting the answer to that is probably 'yes'.

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  9. Re:Sources? by whipslash · · Score: 4, Informative
  10. Re:Spoiler: Clinton doesn't like encryption by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, Trump has spent his own money - about $250K of it. Much more, however, he has "loaned" his campaign. Eventually, if/when he's the nominee and raises funds from other people, his campaign will pay him back with interest. Thus, Trump will profit off of running for President even if he doesn't win. (That, and the whole "free publicity" thing which he loves.)

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  11. Re: No Surprise by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Kindle is kind of popular but that's just an eReader. Not something you put personal data on.

    Sure. You pay them with a breath of fresh air. Who would use a credit card?

    When we talk about personal data, we mean the union of private personally identifiable information (name, address, phone number, SSN) and information that users create. A credit card number is neither.

    You do enter your name when you buy something with a card, but that's the least private piece of PII, and is likely to be present on any device you own anyway, making that not personal data in any meaningful sense except when combined with other private data, such as browsing habits.

    A credit card number is a disposable identifier. It identifies your account, not you, and is valid only until the card number is canceled due to theft or whatever. And your liability in the event of theft is zero. This makes CCN theft a problem for CC companies and vendors, but not really a concern for you as the user.

    With that said, I do disagree with the original poster for different reasons. There is a definite privacy impact here. People's reading choices can be very personal, and there is enough PII to at least potentially identify the owner (name plus the location where the device was found/stolen). When you combine that with someone's penchant for reading stories about [insert regionally taboo topic here] and their copy of the Anarchist Cookbook, you suddenly know more than any third party rightfully should know about someone even without having what most people would think of as "personal data".

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  12. Re: Be One Of Us! by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course they have DRM still. They just made a decision that protecting the publisher's data is more important than protecting the customer's data.

  13. Re: Be One Of Us! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me fix that for you...

    > They just made a decision that protecting the customer's data is more important than protecting consumer's data.

  14. Apple support is unacceptable by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That would still be better than what Apple did to me. I wrote an integrated, dual-language point-of-sale system for a Chinese restaurant, friends of the family. They had a Mac Mini, perfect for this kind of low-cpu-load app; I designed and built the app on my mac pro, under the exact same level of OS X, got it working 100%, installed it on the mini... and it wouldn't print. Debugged a bit, and found that CUPS was going nipples north every time UTF-8 data (Chinese text, perfectly normal use of UTF-8) got sent to it. Only on the mini. Mac pro continued to print the Chinese text perfectly. Receipts, kitchen order printouts, reports, etc. So, I called Apple.

    me: "I found a 100% repeatable bug in the CUPS printing engine that prevents output via the shell of UTF-8 text"
    them: "um, yeah, we confirm that, turns out there was a bug in the object generation for Intel core 2 duos."
    me: "So, a fix, when?"
    them: Oh, already fixed, just upgrade OS X. Was only a bug in the code generator.
    me: ok [buys upgrade on USB stick] [tries to upgrade the mini]
    quoth the upgrade: "your computer cannot be upgraded, core 2 duo not supported"
    me: "Hey, I can't upgrade, core 2 duo here"
    them: "time for a new computer!"
    me: "computer isn't broken. The OS is broken. Your OS. You told me so. It doesn't do what you said it would."
    them: "...time for a new computer"
    me: [ATH0] [buys used mini of later vintage for my friends out of my pocket - it certainly wasn't their fault - got all that working.]

    Since then, they have tried to push many upgrades of the Apple app store and iTunes to the same machine. So they're definitely still building for the architecture.

    Never bought another computer from them. I don't plan to, either. I still use OS X, but I only buy used machines, I don't buy apps or music or anything from the Apple store, and I now have an Android phone and my brand new S7 will be here in 8 days.

    Apple isn't to be trusted. Period.

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