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Why You May Not Like Ted Cruz's Face, According To Science (qz.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Ted Cruz pitches himself as an overcomer, an underdog, an outsider who beats the odds. While the Republic candidate has won four states in this nomination race so far, a neurologist says he still faces a big obstacle with voters: his own face. In an interview with Quartz, George Washington University's Richard E. Cytowic said the unusual movements of Cruz's face may make him seem less sincere to the human brain than other candidates. "The normal way a face moves is what's called the Duchenne smile, named after the 19th century French neurologist. So the mouth goes up, the eyes narrow and the eyes crinkle at the outside, forming crows feet," said Cytowic, a professor of neurology. "Cruz doesn't give a Duchenne smile. His mouth goes in a tight line across or else it curves down in an anti-Duchenne smile. So he doesn't come across as sincere at all." Visceral reactions probably drive a lot more of politics than anyone likes to admit; seeming trustworthy isn't the same as being trustworthy, but it sure helps win people over.

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  1. "Appears" Insincere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He appears insincere because, guess fuckin' what, he *is.*

    Cruz is a Dominionist. None of this means anything to him except insofar as he can grab the reins of power and usher in some dystopic nightmare fusion of 1984 and The Handmaiden's Tale. Dominionists have been a scary powerful group since the Nixon years and they went absolutely metastaticwhen Bush II was elected.

    If he is not stopped, we're going to end up ruled by the Christian Taliban.

    1. Re:"Appears" Insincere? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How is voting for someone who denies what virtually every scientist has known to be a fact for over a century not voting for a religious zealot?

      That is if Cruz is a creationist. I suspect he understands his supporters well and simply apres their ignorance and prejudices.

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    2. Re: "Appears" Insincere? by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

      I very much suspect that Cruz's "insincere face" is a case of causation rather than correlation.

    3. Re:"Appears" Insincere? by um...+Lucas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I suspect he understands his supporters well and simply apres their ignorance and prejudices.

      No, that's the reality show star.

      Cruz actually believes what he says.

    4. Re: "Appears" Insincere? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can be white of pure European ancestry and be Cuban, Mexican, Columbian, etc. It's actually pretty common from some hispanic countries. That's why "hispanic" is not an ethnicity more than it is a social grouping.

  2. Sincerity by Indigo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you've got it made.
    -- Jean Giraudoux

  3. Less sincere than a politician? by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    may make him seem less sincere than other candidates.

    I'm not sure that's possible.

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  4. He looks like by hduff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Grandpa Munster
    i.imgur.com/G8LGrnY.png

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  5. Never mind his face, I don't like him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Affordable health care has been an issue for most of my adult, working life. Republicans and Democrats alike have proposed solutions, but until six years ago no one delivered.

    We had a vote. The majority, the fricken majority chose the winner, and the winner delivered on a campaign promise to deliver affordable health care to everyone.

    The fricken majority.

    And he and his ilk have spent six years since then trying to over turn what the fricken majority voted for.

    Is it any wonder nobody likes him?

    1. Re:Never mind his face, I don't like him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean the majority that after that abomination was passed has been trying for the past six years to get rid of it? The majority that's currently supporting candidates who will get rid of it?

      People wanted health care reform, sure. They didn't want to be forced to be overly expensive health plans.

      All we needed was tort reform and a little loosening of the ridiculous FDA restrictions, but no, Obama dumped even more regulations into the system.

      There's a reason Trump is winning and winning big.

    2. Re:Never mind his face, I don't like him. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just reversing the rule prohibiting buying prescription drugs from Canada would dramatically lower the costs for millions of Americans who, despite being forced to buy "affordable health care", are stuck with ridiculously high deductible policies that don't even provide co-pays for drugs until they meet their deductible, which they can't do because their premiums are ridiculously high.

    3. Re:Never mind his face, I don't like him. by dmr001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or it means you had diabetes (and there are plenty of thin, otherwise people with diabetes) and didn't work for a company that offered health insurance;

      Or it means you had a (now illegal) plan that "covered" well child visits, just not more than 2 in the first two years of life (out of the 9 that are the standard of care);

      Or it means you fell off a ladder painting your house and broke your back;

      Or it means you have congenital heart disease —

      SORRY SUCKERS! You shouldn't have had Pacific Islander grandparents/been a kid/painted your house/been born — not my problem! I'm not saying "Your problem, not mine" isn't a valid viewpoint, but I do think that letting people who have treatable medical problems through no fault of their own drop dead in the streets is a bit more individualistic than all but the most libertarian viewpoints in the US. Not to mention every single other developed nation on the planet, that somehow manage to have popular support for their universal health care systems yet still spend about half of what we do.

  6. It's not the face itself that turns me off by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's what comes out of it when he opens his mouth.

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  7. Re:Where are such analysis of Hillary!, anyway? by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well it doesn't take much of a study to show Hillary Clinton is not good at projecting warmth and sincerity on the stump. She's at her best in debates, where she she seems a lot more real. On the stump she seems really phony, and the big smile that doesn't reach to the eyes is a big part of that.

    Now does that actually mean anything? Imagine you're a politician giving a campagin speech before a group. This may be the twentieth time you've given this exact speech before a similar group in the last week, but you've got to make it fresh for them, make your response to them seem spontaneous and authentic. It's well nigh impossible, but some people can do it. Bill Clinton can do it.

    You know who else can do it? Donald Trump. If you think about what he's saying even a little bit he's clearly en epic bullshitter, but he makes a genuine-seeming emotional connection with crowds. And I think it seems genuine because on a certain level it is genuine. He's morbidly narcissistic and craves the admiration they're giving him.

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  8. Un... goto politifact. Cruz really lies a lot. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wrote this for another forum which was focused on trump. But basically only 21% of Ted Cruz's statements are true or mostly true. He lies twice as often as Clinton and Sanders and almost twice as often as Rubio. He's facile at lying. Lying is a tool in his tool box. It has little to do with his face.

    From politifact, the Pulitzer prize winning political fact checking site.

    http://www.politifact.com/pers...
    51% of Clinton's statements are all true or mostly true. Another 21% are half true.

    http://www.politifact.com/pers...
    48% of Sander's statements are all true or mostly true. Another 21% are half true.

    http://www.politifact.com/pers...
    35% of Rubio's statements are all true or mostly true. Another 22% are half true.

    http://www.politifact.com/pers...
    21% of Ted Cruz's statements are all true or mostly true. Another 13% are half true.

    http://www.politifact.com/pers...
    8% of Trump's statements are all true or mostly true. Another 14% are half true.

    yes.. 8% is yoooge.

    Trump is saying mostly false statements to outright lies 78% of the time. When caught in a lie, he just lies again.

    I was suprised to see Cruz had such a high lie rating given that he's christian and christians are against the lord of lies but his particular sect does approve of lying in the service of the lord so that may be playing a factor here.

    Trump is almost a full order of magnitude more dishonest however.

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  9. Re:Where are such analysis of Hillary!, anyway? by readin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I think about it, this makes Hillary seem more trustworthy. I'm much more willing to trust someone who can't fake sincerity than I am to trust someone who can looks sincere no matter what they're saying.
    But based on their positions and history I'm voting for Cruz.

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  10. Cause and Effect by quantaman · · Score: 3, Informative

    That creates an interesting question assuming you agree with the empirical evidence that Ted Cruz is very dishonest.

    I basically see three main possibilities:

    1) It's just a coincidence that a very insincere face is coupled with a very insincere man. The researcher suggests this though he's basically just repeating the null hypothesis.

    2) Cruz's face behaves the way it does because he's so dishonest. The brain uses different circuits when lying or manipulating (ie fake smile vs genuine smile). If he's spent years being highly manipulative the circuits that control how his face move might work subtly different.

    3) Finally he might be lying so much because he realizes he looks dishonest and has come to identify as such (or he's learned people won't believe him regardless).

    I suspect it's one of the latter two, our brains don't do perfect heuristics but they're often based on something real.

    This reminds me of the study that found hockey players with rounder faces were more aggressive. Of course that doesn't tell you if the aggression and round face were both caused by the same underlying factor (ie testosterone) or if the players were acting more aggressive because they looked more aggressive.

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  11. Delivered what? by zerofoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    "delivered on a campaign promise to deliver affordable health care to everyone"

    After my last company meeting on healthcare benefits, 6 years into the affordable care act, I can say for certain that "affordable" healthcare has not been delivered to "everyone".

    Every single person I know is paying significantly more for healthcare than they were 6 years ago. Even worse, many are paying for plans with such high deductibles, that their so-called health insurance is never used.

    The ACA did absolutely nothing to contain cost increases that have been outstripping inflation and wages by many many times. At best the ACA can be credited with bringing catastrophic coverage to some folks who never had any coverage at all - at a significant cost to everyone else.

    The ACA needs to be put in the trash and replaced with something that actually controls cost increases.

  12. Re:I see your source and raise you mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The actual statistics do not agree with Politico.com (you'd be on firmer ground citing Wikipedia, by far):
    http://kff.org/health-reform/fact-sheet/analysis-of-2016-premium-changes-in-the-affordable-care-acts-health-insurance-marketplaces/

    The sticker shock is higher - but not after the tax credit. If you make over 4x the federal, then yeah, you're not eligible for the tax credit and you're probably going to pay more. But that's the whole point. It's a progressive legislation, designed to subsidize health insurance for people with low incomes.

    Also worth pointing out that overall health care costs are growing much more slowly than the decade prior to the ACA.

  13. It's not his face I care about by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't care about politicians' faces. Really.

    I don't dislike Cruz because of his smile; I dislike Cruz because he's an asshole.

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  14. Just wait by Xabraxas · · Score: 4, Funny

    While his face is eminently punchable wait till you see his policies. You'll want to kick him in the nuts.

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  15. Re:I see your source and raise you mine by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A question: Would health insurance premiums have risen over the past 8 years even if Barry O's healthcare policy hadn't been enacted? I suspect an angry middle-class will be disappointed if they expect premiums to stabilise or fall under President Trump.

    Here in Australia, the government attempted to 'Americanize' health care by offering tax incentives to take out private health insurance. Yet premiums are expected to rise 5.6% this year and no one bats an eyelid.

  16. I don't like his face because by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He's a Theocratist Shit-Sack. Anyone that even HINTS that the Bible should win out over the Constitution can go get fucked sideways with a bandsaw. Keep your church out of my life you christian taliban motherfucker.

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