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Google Docs Can Now Export EPUB (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The EPUB format is now available as an export option from Google Docs. Tests show that the feature can very accurately translate Word-style hyperlinked indexes into EPUB sidebar indices, offering the possibility of updating legacy documents to a more portable and open format. However, despite the completely open XML-based nature of the format, and how much better it handles text-reflow than PDF can, the paucity of easy-to-use editors — particularly in the mobile space — may mean that EPUB continues to be seen as a 'baked' format.

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  1. export this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cease fire stand down all life matters in the moms we trust

  2. Yo dawg, we heard you like web standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yo dawg, I heard you like web standards in your web stardards, so we put a web standard on your web standard so you can web standard while you web standard.

  3. well that's changed the calculus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I certainly want to give all the documents I create to Google now! Before this, I wanted to keep them under my control on my own disk in my own computer, rather than transfer them to an advertising and mass surveillance company. But now, with EPUB supported, wow! I can't wait to give Google all the documents I create, along with all my email and records of all my search transactions!

    1. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Your data is boring and average, just like almost everybody else's. Sorry, no 'special snowflake' award for you.

      If you plan to compete with Google or overthrow your local regime, then start to worry. If you're planning a bake sale for your local community organization, be a chum and let others edit.

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    2. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was so boring they why does the NSA,Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Yahoo, and a million other companies and governments want it?

    3. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

      Your data is boring, but I'm a space alien terrorist who smuggles vast quantities of drugs in from outer space while maintaining my part time job as secretary at all of the Illuminati meetings in between outing Hillary Clinton's love notes to Donald Trump from high school (the ones where she says "I love your ... fingers!"). Up to now, I've had to keep all of my written records of my activities (illegal on seventeen worlds) using things like LaTeX and ordinary text editors, and whenever I wanted to convert them to EPUB format, well, let's just say it hasn't been pretty! But now that Google supports EPUB all I have to do is port the documents from text plus latex markup into some silly WYSIWYG editor and I can save them into text plus EPUB markup, with the extra bonus that I can securely access them from any of my personal digital devices on the cloud! This is so exciting!

      I'm sure nothing can go wrong. Everybody knows that the cloud is totally secure, and the NSA is completely bound by the constitution to find a judge willing to issue a warrant accusing me of being a space alien terrorist drug smuggling traitor to the US before they can go through my private documents. Besides, the NSA is controlled by the Illuminati.

      Google Docs, Here I Come!

      rgb

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    4. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by g01d4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Think of your data as a bit of straw and the cloud as a giant haystack. The NSA wants it in case it's the needle they're looking for and the others want it because they think they can separate the haystack into manageable piles they can target for advertising. The bigger the haystack the harder it becomes to find the needle and the less significant your bit of straw. You can choose to keep your bit out of the haystack, but it's still just straw.

    5. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Hillary Clinton's love notes to Donald Trump from high school (the ones where she says "I love your ... fingers!").

      I just threw up a little in my mouth.

    6. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      Keith Alexander absolutely is not Illuminati. He's a green lizard-like extrasolar alien wrapped in a human costume. Like the Visitors.

    7. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't see a problem with the recent trend in Western "democracies" towards authoritarianism along with the power that total surveillance conveys upon the rulers?

    8. Re: well that's changed the calculus. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking about computers. Every piece of hay in that haystack is indexed. And the more haystacks you have, the better your statistics can work at predicting how those individual pieces of hay will move when the wind blows through it. Despite what your parents might have told you, you aren't special. Humans are very predictable against themselves and there's enough of us in the world that we also fit into very large groups even if we've never met another person in that group.

      The more data you have, the better claims you can make about a specific piece of it.

  4. Paucity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    paucity
    pôsd/
    noun
    the presence of something only in small or insufficient quantities or amounts; scarcity.
    "a paucity of information"
    synonyms: scarcity, sparseness, sparsity, dearth, shortage, poverty, insufficiency, deficiency, lack, want
    "the police cannot act with such a paucity of evidence"

    1. Re:Paucity by dantose · · Score: 1

      I'm more curious about the unexplained description of it as a "baked" format.

    2. Re:Paucity by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I'm more curious about the unexplained description of it as a "baked" format.

      Today, that means stoned, or to be quaint about it. High on Mary-joo-wanna.

      I'm pretty surprised anyone would used that term other than for that or making a cake.

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    3. Re:Paucity by Varka · · Score: 2

      Finished, unchangeable. As in, you can't change tthe recipe once it's been baked.

    4. Re:Paucity by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      Eschew obfuscation.

  5. "Baked" format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a new term to me. Is the idea that .epub files are more of a finished product format and less of a work in progress format?

    1. Re:"Baked" format? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means what PDF used to mean. A publishing format that can't practically be edited. Of course there are editors for PDF files these day. The summary is trying to make the point that EPUB editors are either not widely available or are shitty so that once you put it in EPUP form you aren't going to want to edit it (in that format). Just like once a cake is baked, it is done and you can't really change the format.

    2. Re:"Baked" format? by Phreakiture · · Score: 1

      That's kind of how I understood it. PDF kind of has that reputation as well.

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    3. Re:"Baked" format? by gohmifune · · Score: 1

      EPUB is literally HTML files in a ZIP archive. There are also a couple of great editors out there.

  6. Not format, product. by Rob+Lister · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... may mean that EPUB continues to be seen as a 'baked' format.

    The original quote was ...

    Because of this, the general perception of the EPUB-formatted e-book is that of a ‘baked and finished’ product, to be consumed rather than amended.

    Which is a good perception in that it generally is. A better fit for novels and leisurely reading on a dedicated device. A lesser fit for anything technical or presentational. Every format has its niche.

    1. Re:Not format, product. by Jahta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ... may mean that EPUB continues to be seen as a 'baked' format.

      The original quote was ...

      Because of this, the general perception of the EPUB-formatted e-book is that of a ‘baked and finished’ product, to be consumed rather than amended.

      Which is a good perception in that it generally is. A better fit for novels and leisurely reading on a dedicated device. A lesser fit for anything technical or presentational. Every format has its niche.

      EPUB is generally speaking my preferred e-book format. PDFs don't play well on smaller tablets, e-readers and smart phones. Being able to change the font size (and on some readers the typeface) and reflow the text is a big win. Though it's true that those devices are not ideal for technical texts with lots of diagrams.

      Plus it is a open format. EPUBs are just zip files containing markup, css and image files.

    2. Re:Not format, product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, like PDF then?

    3. Re:Not format, product. by CanadianRealist · · Score: 3, Informative

      EPUB is also my preferred format for use with my Kobo e-reader. Much better than any other format.

      As for the comment in TFA about editors, calibre can create EPUBs for a variety of different sources and allows editing them. sigil is an EPUB editor. Both are free and open source.

    4. Re:Not format, product. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days Calibre includes a better epub editor than Sigil.

  7. DRM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does it also support DRM?

  8. Document Editing/Viewing Haiku by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    You edit in Word
    Your reader gets PDF
    As it always was

    1. Re:Document Editing/Viewing Haiku by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      PDF is not well suited to devices with small screens. EPUB, like classic HTML, can reflow, making it much better fit anything with a smaller screen.

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    2. Re:Document Editing/Viewing Haiku by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Well, I can't put it in Haiku form, but always was and always will be is: You edit word, your reader gets pdf, reader requests word to edit, reader re-requests word in some ancient format (or recent format depending on your companies IT), you give up on pdf.

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    3. Re:Document Editing/Viewing Haiku by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Minor quibble: PDF is fine for small devices if generated/formatted for small devices, the issue is that the same PDF isn't fine for both small and large devices. As you say though, EPUB's ability to reflow means it can be better for a distributed product if you really don't care about different device sizes.

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  9. Good, now add reading support please? by ellep · · Score: 1

    Apparently you can now create EPUB's but you cannot even check if it's valid by reading your output.

  10. New Feature for LibreOffice? by evolutionary · · Score: 2

    Perhaps this will spur the Libre/Open office (Apache foundation for openoffice) to add EPub export the way Firefox got tabs as a standard browser feature. It is useful for viewing on smaller devices and uses less memory than PDF (which is a memory hog for reading). Oh, and if anyone is interest, there is a local network installable open source Equivalent of Google Docs (for those who want to keep private information private called OnlyOffice. Of course they push the "enterprise" version but 1-5 users is free even for that and you can get the community version here:

    https://onlyoffice.org/sources

    No I don't work for them, Just think in this day and age where everyone collects info and everyone and/or charges subscription fees instead of flat fees, that sane and safe options be know to all who want a choice besides A( Office 360) or B( Google docs). "When you see a fork in the road, pick a 3rd path" - Neelix, Star Trek Voyager (I forget which episode)

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    1. Re:New Feature for LibreOffice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an ePub thing for libre-office. However, it added so much crap in the way of titles, subtitles, and 37 layers inbetweeen that it ended up useless.

    2. Re:New Feature for LibreOffice? by kbrannen · · Score: 2

      Perhaps this will spur the Libre/Open office (Apache foundation for openoffice) to add EPub export the way Firefox got tabs as a standard browser feature. ...

      No need, there's a great tool for EPub generation called Calibre. It will take a variety of inputs and produce an EPub doc. If you want to edit, Calibre can help there too, but I prefer Sigil. The point is there are other and better tools to work with EPub than LibreOffice. No need added a lot of extra stuff to that behemoth, instead use a tool made for the job.

    3. Re:New Feature for LibreOffice? by codeDr · · Score: 1

      Looks like there are extensions already ...
      OpenOffice
      http://extensions.openoffice.o...

      LibreOffice
      http://extensions.libreoffice....

  11. What? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    "... how much better [EPUB] handles text-reflow than PDF can..."

    Since when can PDF reflow text?

    While I suppose that being able to do it at all is "better" than "not at all", the use of a comparative such as "better" typically implies that there was something meaningful to compare in the first place.

    </pedantry>

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Since when can PDF reflow text?

      Acrobat includes a Reading view that can reflow text.

      PDF can do almost everything, viewers not so much. (I know Postscript was Turning complete, not sure if PDF is also Turing complete.)

  12. odt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck everything else.