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There's No End In Sight For Data Storage Capacity (computerworld.com)
Lucas123 writes: Several key technologies are coming to market in the next three years that will ensure data storage will not only keep up with but exceed demand. Heat-assisted magnetic recording and bit-patterned media promise to increase hard drive capacity initially by 40% and later by 10-fold, or as Seagate's marketing proclaims: 20TB hard drives by 2020. At the same time, resistive RAM technologies, such as Intel/Micron's 3D XPoint, promise storage-class memory that's 1,000 times faster and more resilient than today's NAND flash, but it will be expensive — at first. Meanwhile, NAND flash makers have created roadmaps for 3D NAND technology that will grow to more than 100 layers in the next two to three generations, increasing performance and capacity while ultimately lowering costs to that of hard drives."Very soon flash will be cheaper than rotating media," said Siva Sivaram, executive vice president of memory at SanDisk.
I'll generally take reliability over volume. I wish they'd work on that more.
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if i can simply carry around enough movies and music and TV to last me a few months to a year?
I spotted the url before deigning to RTFA. That bunch --all the "properties" in that stable-- specialises in fluff for "executives" and other lesser educatable beings. There's been no shortage of fluff on /. as of late. The softpedia "hacker"-flavoured bs is just as fluffy. And, well, just about every site that gets serially dumped here. Very sad. But it doesn't matter, for /. no longer really matters. Oh well. Keep up the cargo culting, new new ownership. You might get to keep the cargo cultists. Maybe post some more wired feel-good techno-fluff while at it?
HDD company says HDDs are going to continue to be the best price/capacity for a while, and it's going to be awesome, traditional SSD company says that's bollocks and HDDs will be completely obviated in the same timeframe, and Intel/Micron say 'screw nand, we got something better'
It's great to see real advances in technology (unlike the various BS 'revolutions' that are commonplace in pure software), but it would be nice if once in a while a marketing person said something straightforward and honest.
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Do we need all this storage capacity? No, this is serious question. We already have NSA admitting that all the data they collected is beyond their ability to analyze. I can assume Google and the likes are largely in the same boat.
That is, we can produce a lot of data, but what if is it all GIGO?
and with less write endurance, they'll end up with WORN memory, aka /dev/null: write once, read never.
Or, at least, that will be the effect once all of the legal/available methods of ripping your own media are gone.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Garbage is actually filled with valuable substances. GIGO is more applicable to older, discrete entry systems which have specific analysis paths.
Consider real garbage in your trash, or in transfer station, or in a landfill. It generally has no value - it's garbage. But at a larger and larger scale it begins to have, statsitically, more valuable material in it. Now consider minerals trapped in the earth. We regularly process millions of metric tons of earth to refine and process into the elements we need.
A truck full of garbage is a smelly mess. An earth full of garbage is a resource which can be mined for nearly anything you need. That's why all the trash we put in Google has greater value as the total amount of garbage they collect increases. It's still garbage...but at that scale it can be refined into money.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
I wonder how long it'll be before there is a service to take a heap of data
( all of my C drive, all of my D drive ( E is cd/dvd ) and put it all into a hard-disk-like
storage where it cannot be written, and does not wear out for > 20 years....
cheap, non-volatile, ROM.... for backups...
I'm just going to download and store a local copy of the internet. Then I can cancel my ISP service.
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Back in 2011 I could get a 1.5TB drive for 45€, now five years later the best I can get is 3TB for 90€. Double the storage for double the price. If I just want to spend 50€ I only get 1TB. It's nice that we now have 6TB and 8TB drives, but they aren't cheap and so far haven't really lowered the price of the smaller drives and given how long this has already taken I am not even sure if HDDs will ever get cheap again before SSDs will take that space.
Great! My new Skylake build is already obsolete!
Seriously, I could live with half the capacity of my magnetic disk, if it were more reliable.
"Very soon flash will be cheaper than rotating media," said Siva Sivaram, executive vice president of memory at SanDisk.
I can hardly wait. Just as core replaced drum and ram replaced drum I am excited to get rid of spinning platters. The day I can get a 3TB SSD for around $100 will be a great day.
Of course it might be possible to get a 40TB HD for that price by then...
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2005: DVD-RWs are cheap enough to time-shift a huge movie collection onto DVDs. But completely and utterly impractical to give copies to your friends.
2015: Hard drives are cheap enough to time-shift a huge movie collection onto a single hard drive. Now possible to give subsets to friends on smaller portable drives.
2025: Memory sticks are cheap enough to amass a huge movie collection on a single small memory stick. Also now cheap enough to send the entire collection to friends.
2035: Nonvolatile memory storage is cheap enough to retain copies of all movies ever produced, at 4K and 8K resolution.
that will ensure data storage will not only keep up with but exceed demand
If that were to happen, the bottom would drop out of the market; they're obviously not going to produce so much that they shoot themselves in the foot.
I was talking with someone that works with storage systems, he mentioned other technologies to replace HD and their looking into massive petabytes (sp?) of storage capacity. I asked with so much data, when does anyone have enough time to look back at it. His reply, "they will not."
OK some data will be examined, I'm thinking from my perspective. I have about three major email accounts. One has 360 messages, I recently trashed 800 but few years ago I archived 2000 messages (but haven't looked at them since). Another account as 10,000 messages both the inbox and out. Probably many I can trash (but it takes sooooo long to review them). Third account has 5000 I think. And these are small compared to many others. Plus there's everything else from reports to jokes. What takes lot of memory is videos. I also have stacks of DVDs, DV tapes, VHS tapes. I guess hang on to this like a library because no way I will go back and watch them all (some I may). It seems I will be dead of old age by the time I get to the last video. Of course the media will deteriorate so I guess it's all moot.
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"Government is like fire; a handy servant, but a dangerous master." -- George Washington
This is, actually, the key to fighting constant monitoring by the NSA and other three-letter agencies, I believe: generate a lot of spurious data, too much for them to store, much less analyze.
If I kept sending email of 10 MB files (I know, that's small nowadays) which were randomly generated and had no meaning , and then erased them once they reached the other side (e.g. maybe a different email account of mine), then that's no skin off my back since I know I shouldn't care. Any monitoring agencies, though, would want to store it for later analysis (good luck!).
In other words, I consume relatively few resources while any snoopers would have to consume relatively many.
If I sent such a file once an hour, the government would have to devote a lot of resources to trying to figure me out. If we all sent such a file once an hour, say with a Firefox extension or something (it doesn't have to waste too much bandwidth -- send it to some cooperating fellow on the same ISP subnet, let's say), then I'm pretty sure we could put a serious dent in the ability for Big Brother to monitor "everything".
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This post on Slashdot reminds me of previous post on Slashdot from 2012 about 60TB 3.5 inch and 10TB 2.5 inch drives by 2016. Again it was based on Seagate's 2006 patent on heat assisted magnetic recording. I think it is more realistic at his point to expect LTO tape to provide 220TB storage than Seagate making good on it's dream of HAMR drives. This latest claim should be an indication of how much trouble Seagate is having with their heat-assisted technology. They are essentially giving themselves a 4 year extension to achieve only a third of the results that they previously claimed.
... will STILL be releasing mobile devices with 16Gigs base storage.
Hmm... I like this idea.
10 MB file created, encrypted, mailed, sent to /dev/null. /dev/null.
Recipient encrypts it again, mails to next person, sent to
Daisy chain it so more people can participate.
Every third (or so) time it's encrypted, the next one gets deleted and a new 10 MB random file is generated.
Have it go in circles BUT also have it 'cross-fire' so that it's sending data to random participants.
Get more than 1 file moving around.
Make it tit-easy and let people join/participate.
It can all be done over email.
It doesn't need to be done over email, there are other options but they like email so that's probably the best choice. It can support expansion just by one of the many, many ways to host mailing lists. Let people rate-limit how many they send, maybe allow for scheduling. It seems like it'd be pretty damned easy to do this - and it doesn't even need to be directly on your ISP's subnet.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The sad aspect of this story is that developers grossly underestimate our demand for 'selfies'.