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How Sliced Meat May Have Driven Human Evolution (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes: The most tedious part of a chimpanzee's life is chewing. Our primate cousins spend six hours a day gnashing fruits and the occasional monkey carcass — all made possible by the same type of big teeth and large jaws our early ancestors had. So why are our own teeth and jaws so much smaller? A new study credits the advent of simple stone tools to slice meat and pound root vegetables, which could have dramatically reduced the time and force needed to chew, thus allowing our more immediate ancestors to evolve the physical features required for speech. The abstract for the (paywalled) article is more informative than many.

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  1. Tooth longevity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Surprised they didn't mention that a longer lasting tooth would have been a huge advantage as well:

    "Slicing, whether with a knife or a sharp stone flake, changes all that. Suddenly, hominins could cut up the elastic muscles of a carcass into smaller bits before putting them in their mouths, making them chewable and easier to digest. Pounding has a similar effect on tough, fibrous root vegetables. “What we found is that by simply slicing meat and pounding vegetables, a hominin would be able to reduce the number of chews they use by about 17%,” Zink says. “That equates to 2-and-a-half million fewer chews per year.”

    Imagine a 17% less worn tooth. Tooth loss is a huge disadvantage in the wild, just look at how desperate large predators get when they cannot hunt effectively.

    An individual living 17% longer would be able to learn and pass on their knowledge and build a more effective society, perhaps even helping invent fire along the way.

    1. Re:Tooth longevity by TWX · · Score: 2

      I donno, allowing a person with otherwise-awful teeth to survive seems like a good personal survival tactic. Granted, it may not be that good for the species, but remember, at one time the British ruled much of the planet even with their bad teeth.

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    2. Re:Tooth longevity by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wolves and lions with bad teeth simply die.

      Also, these animals are a rather poor example of why living longer than one generation needs to procreate has a benefit. They do not tend to live in multi-generation packs. We do. Even today having parents to rely on when you have offspring is a huge advantage compared to those who cannot drop their young on their own parents to go out and earn a living. Consider how much higher the chances for your pack were when you went out hunting while your young were protected by your own parents who not only provide protection but can also aid you with their experience in rearing offspring.

      IIRC the life expectancy of an early human who survived the first 5 years of his life was in the area of 35 years. 17% only means about 5-7 extra years, but it can make a huge difference for the chance of your kids' survival if your parents are around an extra 5-7 years. Considering that a woman can bear children about roughly once a year, this can mean an extra 5 offspring surviving.

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  2. Re:Beef Jerky is Devolution by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 2

    It's amazing what you'd be willing to eat when the alternative's pilot bread.

  3. Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Small teeth can just as easily eat a whole animal as big teeth. Teeth aren't just used for chewing but for attacking and taking down prey. It was tools that allowed humans to take down prey without the need for biting that allowed smaller mouths to be evolutionarily OK.

    And beyond that, COOKING the meat was far more advantageous than tools to slice it.

    "Sliced bread makes us evolutionarily superior"

    Yeesh.. this isn't science, this is drunken bar talk...

  4. Re:Beef Jerky is Devolution by srmalloy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Putting it in the bottom of a bowl before filling it with lobscouse will render it edible by the time you're down to it. Or you can pound it back to flour, mix it with suet and some leavening, and bake it again to make duff, or bag the dough and boil it to make pudding duff.

  5. Fire by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knives don't really replace chewing, fire does that.

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  6. Re:Beef Jerky is Devolution by mspohr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds great! I would like to subscribe to your cooking blog.

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  7. Cooking.. by thesupraman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And the other small factor they missed.. Cooking!
    Cooking has a large known effect on consumption and abduction of food. Especially meat. Resulting in needing to eat less quantity and being easier to chew..

    No.. That couldn't be a factor.. Must have been those thin slices. Sigh.

    Chewing cooked food is much much easier.. Making a larger difference than sliced meat (you don't think stone tools produce nice thin slices do you?)

    Sounds a lot like someone flash of the moment idea that they rushed to publish rather than something with much backing

    1. Re:Cooking.. by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Informative

      And the other small factor they missed.. Cooking!

      They "missed" it, huh? Why is cooking discussed in detail in TFA and even mentioned twice in the abstract then?

      Cooking has a large known effect on consumption and abduction of food. Especially meat. Resulting in needing to eat less quantity and being easier to chew..

      Yes. No one disputes it. It's mentioned in the article. Problem is: best evidence now is that cooking only started in a controlled way a few hundred thousand years ago, maybe 500,000 at the most. Meanwhile, the changes actually mentioned in TFA began perhaps as early as 2 million years ago. Stone tools were around then (and had been used perhaps as much as 3 million years ago).

      No.. That couldn't be a factor.. Must have been those thin slices. Sigh.

      Uh, or TFA could explicitly acknowledge multiple times that cooking was a major evolutionary factor, but they're perhaps hypothesizing about a different earlier stage?

      Sounds a lot like someone flash of the moment idea that they rushed to publish rather than something with much backing

      Rather ironic to read this coming from someone who didn't even take the time to find out what the article was about before posting in ignorance. Is TFA conclusive evidence of anything? Absolutely not -- it's just throwing out a possible idea for a stage of evolution where jaw size and strength decreases, etc. before we have any solid evidence of cooking.

      What's your theory?? What's the backing for it?

  8. Re:Beef Jerky is Devolution by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I always thought they were for building emergency shelters....

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  9. I don't all BS on many things, this article I do. by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

    I don't spend this much time on many things like this but for some reason this came across as bad science.

    A session with Google and no knowledge anthropology I found this:

    Chimpanzee's habit was an entire Continent away from H. erectus
    http://www.janegoodall.ca/abou...
    (not that big of a deal we do have Hurricanes, Cyclones and Typhoons to mix the groups)

    Chimpanzee's are a different time line than humans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    So what do the modern apes—and in particular our closest relatives the chimpanzees and bonobos—eat? Plants. Yes, plants. ... But most chimps don’t eat such meaty treats often. Three percent of the average chimp diet comes from meat. On average, nine days a year are meat days for chimps.
    http://blogs.scientificamerica...

    Despite their hunting behavior, however, only a very tiny percentage–perhaps as small as two percent–of a wild chimp’s diet consists of meat or insects.
    http://www.allaboutwildlife.co...

    Google this phrase: what do you feed a chimpanzee - give one this blurb:
    It also eats leaves and leaf buds. Seeds, blossoms, stems, pith, bark and resin, insects, and meat make up the rest of its diet. While the common chimpanzee is mostly herbivorous, it does eat honey, soil, insects, birds and their eggs, and small to medium-sized mammals, including other primates.

    http://www.janegoodall.org/ is a worthless site unless you wish to give money.

    Topic: H. erectus meat consumption is associated with __________.
    Not one answer includes teeth
    http://science-forums.com/inde...

    The only thing that associates chimpanzee (meat eating) and evolve of humans jaws to is the submitted article itself.

  10. Re: Beef Jerky is Devolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or dwarf bread for that matter

  11. Re: Nailed it. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    So is religion. The only reason it's not a mental illness is that the definition of delusion explicitly exempts religion.

    Still, there's millions of people suffering from it. And unlike homosexuality, millions who do not share that mental illness have to suffer from it, too.

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