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Laser System Set To Revolutionize Future Aircraft, Satellite Data Links (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A new laser system, dubbed HYPERION, promises to improve the transmission of data from aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and orbiting satellites to ground stations. The optical system, developed by a team of Innovate UK researchers, has been designed to send critical information more securely, rapidly and efficiently than traditional radio frequency (RF) methods. Suggested applications for HYPERION include helping UAVs involved in disaster monitoring and other humanitarian projects to quickly offload detailed data back to the ground for analysis. The system could also be applied in future airline systems to transmit vast amounts of technical data collected by on-board sensors to ground stations — a process which could help speed up maintenance procedures and significantly cut turnaround times.

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  1. Unforseen delays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    System development was delayed recently when developers were put in jail for shining lasers at flying aircraft. More at 11...

    1. Re:Unforseen delays by PPH · · Score: 2

      There could be some other unforeseen consequences

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  2. Iridium by ickleberry · · Score: 1

    Would this have been something for Iridium and other satellite phone operators? It would be interesting to finally get a technology that could wipe all the mobile phone masts (also known as 'cell towers' in Trump Land) off the face of the earth. What kind of bandwidth can these links achieve?

    1. Re:Iridium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you please show some respect? The proper name is President Trump Land.

    2. Re:Iridium by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      It might well be something for the uplink/downlink between the ground station and the satellites, if that happens to be a bandwidth bottleneck; but it would presumably be of minimal use for the actual phone-to-satellite link: The earth's surface is loaded with optically opaque clutter, and users probably wouldn't stand for a cellphone that only receives calls when it has a clear view of the sky. For some of the other users of satellite phone/data(ships, say) the requirement that the modem-pod be mounted on top of the ship, and then local RF or wire links used to distribute the connection from there, wouldn't be nearly so difficult. Either way, it wouldn't have much effect on the latency that makes satellite voice and data so annoying; the speed of light gets you either way, and any orbit you can maintain without massive fuel burn to compensate for still being in the upper atmosphere is a long way away compared to a cell tower.

      Using an optical link would also, presumably, require knowing where the recipient is: they must be using some elegant tricks(perhaps borrowed from Team Astronomy, which has been battling atmospheric distortion for years?) to keep the laser on target even through thermal distortions in the atmosphere; but they still need to know where 'on target' is. Again, much bigger challenge for a human with a handset, much smaller challenge for a satellite, aircraft, or largish ship.

    3. Re:Iridium by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      This is not a good technology for cell phones. It won't work indoors in my pocket out doors or when I have the phone out and the sensor and transmitter are not pointing at the satellite. Lasers are very directional which makes them great for transmitting to a couple of locations but transmitting to thousands is not something it does well, you would basically be turning the laser into a flashlight.

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  3. Could there be... by Rain2 · · Score: 1

    a cooler name than HYPERION?

    1. Re:Could there be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dahl, Maliwan, Torgue, Tediore, Vladof??

    2. Re:Could there be... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I don't know that I want any technology that comes from Hyperion.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    3. Re:Could there be... by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

      SKYNET was taken. But yeah who would want to name a project after "a child of Uranus"?

  4. Before anyone asks the relavent question.. by drewsup · · Score: 1

    From their website,
    Our MRR based on Multiple Quantum Well (MQW) technology was recently tested in our labs and achieved a data rate of 40Mbps over a range of 5m
    - no word on what data rate this test achieved...

    1. Re:Before anyone asks the relavent question.. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      5 meters? I think 10Gbit can do better...

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    2. Re:Before anyone asks the relavent question.. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      These kinds of optical tests are usually done on an optical bench, which seldom exceed 12 feet in length.

      Here's an example:
      http://www.thorlabs.us/newgrou...

      They can simulate longer distances by diverging and/or attenuating the beam.

      Now that they've proven the concept in the lab, they'll apply for funding to try the system in real world conditions, probably using a small drone and tracking/pointing laser.

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  5. Loss of line of sight? by Tighe_L · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does it fall back to RF?

    1. Re:Loss of line of sight? by Xest · · Score: 1

      If you have a decent sized satellite constellation are there really many circumstances where typically fairly high flying aircraft like airliners and drones would lose line of sight for any kind of extended period?

      Though I agree this could presumably be a weak point for military applications, which are probably likely to be a more prominent use for this tech, despite the summary trying to side step that by mentioning only civilians uses.

    2. Re:Loss of line of sight? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Sunshine...
      High Altitude Clouds...
      Thunderstorms...
      Pulling into a hanger...

      I am sure there are more, those are just off the top of my head.

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    3. Re:Loss of line of sight? by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Sunshine won't affect any proper laser com system. Rain fading etc will be an issue. But not as much as you make think. Airliners do spend most of their time above the weather. And it is the long haul flights over the oceans that currently lack good options. Once over ground there are plenty of alternatives.

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    4. Re:Loss of line of sight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      flock of birds

    5. Re:Loss of line of sight? by Xest · · Score: 1

      None of those things other than pulling into a hanger are going to block a laser signal for any substantial amount of time, they're not going to result in any kind of extended blackout of communications.

      If you're in a hangar you don't need it anyway, because you could just use physical transfer of a storage device, wireless, or a good old physical network cable to transmit the data.

      Someone else suggested birds, how they imagine a flock of birds might consistently fly above the transmitter and receiver of a jet flying at hundreds of miles an hour I don't know, let alone when the aircraft is at 40,000ft.

  6. Directed beam is really wants important here by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    The laser is irrelevant, its just the vector they are using to get a coherent beam rather than the typical pattern of radiation associated with RF operations.

    A better Yagi antenna is really all they've done. And it could work great ... depending on the particular atmospheric conditions at the time and what frequencies they are using. But really, alignment is the biggest issue I see here.

    This isn't even actually new. I use a directed beam for my drone all the time (Again, YAGI), do it at home with hobby grade components. Wouldn't take much to make it more accurate and track better, other than money. The result however is that I'd be able to ... well, do less than I can do now since I can't shoot a laser through a tree, regardless of the lasers wavelength, where as my radio will penetrate it to some extent and more importantly, will bounce around it.

    I'm not really seeing the big data advantage here. You aren't collecting that much data from these things in the first place. You can already stream live HD video for hundreds of miles with COTS equipment that doesn't require EXACT line of site or perfect alignment. Thats what I can get as a hobbiest with very little effort in finding it. (you can get this shit on amazon)

    This thing will have an advantage as the distance goes up, but it will also have a distinct disadvantage as the distance goes up. Lasers are better at long range Line of Sight transmission ... but the further out you go, the harder it gets to actually hit the target. At the ranges involved (planetary) RF is a better choice in pretty much every way.

    Lasers don't magically make for faster transmission mediums. They aren't magically faster than RF just because they are laser. Laser doesn't travel faster than RF, its just higher frequency so theres more bandwidth available in a small part of the spectrum to play with.

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    1. Re:Directed beam is really wants important here by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      When I see the article summary, I see satellites talking to "real" aircraft and UAVs that fly above the clouds, so the optical link should work quite well most of the time.

      Optical is much easier to make directional than RF, and also greatly increases the privacy of the link, it's much harder to position an effective eavesdropper. Finally, the ultimate bit-rates available in optical are higher than in RF, basically due to the shorter wavelength. None of these are of much concern to a hobbyist UAV operator, but they can be significant for operations with bigger budgets and more people involved.

    2. Re: Directed beam is really wants important here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When someone says lasers are faster, they are referring to the fact that they are far, far higher in frequency than rf, and therefore have a far, far greater bandwidth than rf. You can move much more data in a given amount of time. There is also far less interference at laser frequencies when used for space based applications, so you get a more efficient communications channel. These are the same reasons we prefer fiber optics over copper for long distance high bandwidth links on earth.

    3. Re:Directed beam is really wants important here by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      UAVs above the clouds are effectively useless since they need to see below the clouds.

      And their reference material makes little reference to beaming to a sat, instead it clearly shows ground stations

      Because you know, hitting a sat in space moving at tens of thousands of miles an hour ... while on an aircraft, moving at hundreds of miles an hour through the air in a different direction with wind turbulence and human operators ... yea, thats EASY to keep a laser aimed at a tiny little sat ...

      They talk about using sats. they haven't even gotten close to DOING it because ... THERE ISN'T ONE IN SPACE FOR THEM TO USE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS.

      So don't tell me about how it works with sats when it has never worked with sats.

      My system works with magic and doesn't need sats and its JUST AS REAL as what you think they are doing.

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    4. Re:Directed beam is really wants important here by bughunter · · Score: 1

      I think someone hasn't RTFA.

      There's no laser on the aircraft. Just mirrors. Tiny, tiny ones.

      My job is system design of high speed bidirectional RF links for video over ethernet, and to achieve any decent range with reliable data rates, nothing is COTS, and the equipment on the plane is heavy and consumes a lot of power.

      With this arrangement, the weight and power budget for the aircraft would be tiny. Tiny enough to put on a professional video quality quadcopter drone like they use for shooting programs like Gold Rush.

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  7. War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    disaster monitoring and other humanitarian projects...

    Well we all admire their intention, this is for war....expect a visit from the DND soon enough...

    1. Re: War by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I don't know why they even pretend this is for humanitarian use. The money is in war and killing people.

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  8. Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by RichMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought pointing lasers at planes was bad and would get you arrested. Is it good now?

    Sure lasers are a fine transmission medium but they also affect the human eye, so generally not so good for the open air.

    1. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by Nutria · · Score: 2

      And laser light also gets absorbed by water, smoke, dust, etc in the atmosphere.

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    2. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by Striek · · Score: 1

      I know, I know. I actually read the article.

      The eye-safe system is able to aim lasers, with a wavelength of 1,550 nanometres, up from the ground towards an aircraft, which is fitted with a special reflector which captures the beam.

      Nothing to worry about.

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    3. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia planes beam lasers to YOU!

    4. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by brambus · · Score: 1

      Doesn't have to be visible spectrum lasers. E.g. your typical single-mode fiber optics runs laser light at around 1500nm, way deep in the infrared band.

    5. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Visible lasers that can dazzle or blind the (mostly redundant) human pilots: bad.

      Non-visible lasers carrying data down from satellites that are not generally in the pilot's field of view: o.k.

    6. Re:Lasers at planes == bad or != bad by brambus · · Score: 1

      If they only plan to use it at high altitude and pointed at a commsat network, atmospheric effects become far less significant.

  9. Short-range only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See this paper:

    http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/~hranilovic/woc/resources/local/spie2000b.pdf

    So ranges greater then a few thousand meters can only be realized in extremely clear weather?

    1. Re:Short-range only? by LeadSongDog · · Score: 2

      So ranges greater then a few thousand meters can only be realized in extremely clear weather?

      In space, the weather is usually clear.

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  10. Danger, Will Robinson! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I read a headline about an advance that is going to revolutionize some area, more often than not that advance fizzles and ends up having very little impact, or no impact whatsoever.

    1. Re: Danger, Will Robinson! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lasers, still a solution looking for a problem.

  11. A lot of PR fluff here by Striek · · Score: 1

    It's just a fluff piece about a line of research that's not finished yet. They've managed to send information over a laser at a distance of 1km, which, while not necessarily easy, is a far cry from low earth orbit.

    The whole article is full of phrases like "suggested applications", "could also be applied", "could help speed up", "leading to exciting developments", "will potentially make", and so on and so forth. So in other words, while it's an interesting line of research, they have accomplished nothing so far.

    It's just a PR piece meant to drum up research dollars (or pounds) and justify the project's continued existence - according to their web site, they were slated to shut down halfway through last year.

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    1. Re: A lot of PR fluff here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try googling NASA LLCD

  12. directional control problems by swell · · Score: 1

    Lasers are great fun with cats. You can point them where the cat sees them and watch the cat chase the red dot across the floor. Amazing how fast, how far the dot can move with each twitch of your hand, each heartbeat.

    What you can't do is point precisely at a small target and hold that red dot there steadily. The smaller and farther the target, the harder it becomes to maintain that connection. If you were a stationary mechanical device controlled by a computer, it might be easier to keep on target, but still difficult.

    The primary advantage of laser communication is privacy. Great for secret stuff. Only those in the path of the beam can know what's transmitted. Yes, our duly appointed government overlords love that shit regardless of the expense.

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    1. Re:directional control problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayup. Pointing at a UAV 300 km away would be pretty hard. Nevermind the problem of holographic lenses needed to collect the laser light. The best GPS systems can give 2 cm precision, but that doesn't mean that you can hit a 2 cm target with a 300 km long pointer.

      The whole article sounds like a couple of kids who bought their first LED toy.

    2. Re: directional control problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holographic lenses? Wut? Standard telescopes work fine.
      The beam is fairly wide at significant distance. The pointing isn't *that* critical. They managed to do a 600 megabit laser link to a spacecraft at the moon a few years ago as a technology demonstration.
      The military have been using laser links routinely between spacecraft in orbit for decades.

    3. Re:directional control problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never aimed a laser a long distance have you, even the best ones begin to spread out after a few miles. The beams from Earth observatories in the Lunar Laser Ranging experiments were 6.5 Km wide by the time they hit the moons surface, at the emitter on earth they were about 2'. Targeting accuracy is only a small part of the overall requirements to achieve laser communications, the others are beam intensity, receiver sensitivity and beam width. You can have a pretty poor targeting system as long as the beam width at the targets distances is wide enough, but that generally requires a pretty powerful beam. If you have a highly accurate targeting system you can have a more confined beam at a lower power.

  13. Lasers, spacecraft, HYPERION? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  14. Hate to break it to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is hardly sounds revolutionary, in fact a satellite with laser communications systems has already been launched and is in in preliminary testing for commercial operations (European DAta Relay System (EDRS)). They're primarily focusing on ground/sea to satellite communications but they plan on expanding to various other communications methodologies in the near future.

  15. Clouds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laser data links work great until it gets cloudy.

  16. It can be done, and has. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people claiming links to spacecraft in orbit or a hundred miles away can't be done are clueless. NASA shot a 600Mbps laser link from Earth to the LADEE spacecraft in October 2013. Current spacecraft in orbit already communicate to Earth and between each other via lasers, and have done so for decades.

    http://www.nasa.gov/press/2013/october/nasa-laser-communication-system-sets-record-with-data-transmissions-to-and-from

  17. Another piece of the Fermi's Paradox puzzle... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    If you've got the technology, highly directional transmissions have advantages over broadcast, and higher-frequency transmissions (including or perhaps surpassing optical frequencies) have advantages over lower-frequency spectrum. If your civilization is blasting out easily-demodulated radio transmissions across the cosmos, it's not really that advanced.

    Couple that with the observation that colonists in another solar system would have to wait years to see Kanye West's lastest tweets, and you have all the answer you need to "where ARE they?" -- they're clustered within the bounds of lower planetary orbit, constantly upgrading the bandwidth of their network connections, desperately trying to make sure that they don't miss the latest cat video.

  18. Frickin' shark mouths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares? I just say we paint frickin' shart mouths on them, so we can finally put this meme to bed.

  19. TFA picture by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the folks actually working on this system really didn't appreciate the accompanying artist rendition of a massive laser blast from an evil looking kill-sat orbiting on high.

  20. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, I can now use my high-powered laser-pointer to light up passing aircraft and not be arrested?

    Cool. I'll start today!

  21. Very similar to NASA's LLCD by ventsyv · · Score: 1

    NASA's Lunar Laser Communication Demonstration project demonstrated the concept back in 2013. There is a follow up project called LCRD (Laser Communications Relay Demonstration). The only difference I see here is that the brits are using absorptive coating instead of optical telescopes.

  22. Foreseen (but ignored) vulnerabilities? by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    Nelson refers to traditional RF communications, which can be vulnerable to interception and jamming as they rely on an extremely crowded part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

    As opposed to single-frequency pulsed laser system whose receivers can be jammed or overwhelmed by attack-emitter arrays sited on the ground, mounted on enemy fighters or on military satellites, made from tiny, energy-efficient off-the-shelf components. It's a cat and mouse game but the mouse is just one small step from becoming bigger than the cat. Jamming light systems is easy and energy-cheap. Jamming radio, especially if you're up against something that is designed to hop across a wide range of frequency, is energy-expensive and component-hard. What's beyond my scope is whether frequency hopping laser systems which are as happy as a pig dipped in shit when they're broadcast through stable optical fiber, could handle and reject spurious and malevolent light sources across the medium of atmosphere.

    If it allows airline passengers to do Internet and phones For Entertainment Purposes Only when there is no war on, sure. But for mission-critical uses you'd have to be able to fall back to RF anyway so if your optical pipe buggers up you're left with a sipping straw.

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