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Bank of England Looks Into 'Centralized' Bitcoin Alternative, RSCoin (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Bank of England is working with researchers at University College London to design a Bitcoin clone of its own that can be centrally controlled. It was recently found that the UK's central bank had reached out to university researchers to help it create a cryptographically secure digital currency. The resulting system has now been revealed, and is named RSCoin. The system employs cryptography to obviate counterfeiting and tampering. Unlike other mechanisms, the digital ledger used by the new cryptocurrency is handled exclusively by a central body and will only be made accessible to users in possession of a specific encryption key. Its developers explained that an RSCoin ledger could be published publicly by a central bank, and added that the system's design would also allow a central bank to make transactions entirely, or partially, anonymous.

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  1. Centralized currency? Don't we already have that? by BoberFett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll take Missing The Point for 800 Alex!

    And the question is "This digital currency is centrally controlled and allows the authorities to monitor every purchase you make."

    'What is centralized bitcoin?

    You are correct.

  2. Who's going to use it? by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The main reason to even bother with bitcoin is the attraction to its lack of central control and regulation. The other, closely related one, is that it works anywhere and for any purpose.

    There's really no other reason to use it than the above. It has technical and practical limitations that normal electronic transfers don't have. Mistakes are forever, scams are rampant, technical understanding of what you're doing is vital if you like keeping your money.

    There's no reason to bother with it over something like paypal or bank transfers if you're not into it for the lack of control or philosophical reasons, and a system controlled by a bank would do away with that.

  3. Will it be pleasant to use, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The biggest problem with Bitcoin is that it's fucking awful to actually use it. If you want to run it on your own computer, you need to download a fucking massive amount of historic blockchain data. We're talking GB and GB of data, nearly all of which is absolutely useless for nearly all users. Yeah, you can use some other third party service, but that totally defeats the decentralization of Bitcoin. The reference client is quite shit. Even the network is shitty, since it takes so fucking long to process a transaction, making it unsuitable for most business uses. Then you have its development team which is fighting and bickering all of the time, even now as transactions get slower and slower. Then there are the occasional developer fuckups where the chain ends up at risk of forking and all hell breaks loose. All in all, it's an absolutely awful experience for most users.

    It's a lot like desktop Linux or Rust. They sound all sweet and awesome, then you try them and find out that they aren't so useful after all. That's why they see almost no adoption. A small number of loud geeks get all hot and bothered by them, but regular developers and users try them and are very unimpressed. They end up being worse than whatever established alternative is already being used.

    1. Re:Will it be pleasant to use, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your lack of blind ideology is disturbing. Bitcoin is one of the most popular atheistic religions for nerds and you will be down-modded for your rational, pragmatic heresy.

      tl;dr LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING

    2. Re:Will it be pleasant to use, though? by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't need to download the full blockchain to buy and spend bitcoin.

      If you want to mine bitcoin you do. If you want to have a wallet which references the entire blockchain you do. But there are plenty of light wallets out there which do not download the entire blockchain.

      If that was so people couldn't have 60+GB blockchains on theri 16GB phones now could they? And yet there are plenty of mobile wallets out there.

      And no using a light-wallet does not defeat the decentralization of bitcoin. You can have both. AND not everyone needs to have both for the blockchain to have value as a distributed resource.

      Re forking. Forks happen every day and yet ... bitcoin is still around. Now hard forks are not something that should happen often - but they will.

      Re lack of adoption. Umm. I guess you've been missing the news about how many major firms have been putting serious funds into developing blockchain technology.

      Re difficulty of use. Yup. You have something there. Until it's as easy to use as a debit card it's too complicated. But it will get simpler in time or will never get mass appeal.

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    3. Re:Will it be pleasant to use, though? by apoc.famine · · Score: 2

      Sure, using the raw blockchain is somewhat difficult. But have you seen http://www.changetip.com? You deposit bitcoins which they then credit to your virtual account and store offline in a cold wallet. From there you can transfer money to people via social media including tweets, on reddit, through facebook, etc. They link their social media account to changetip, and then can (of course for a small fee) withdraw the funds or transfer them to someone else.

      At periodic intervals they bring the cold wallet online and process your transfers before pulling it off once again.

      This avoids the hassle of actually dealing with bitcoin by paying a third party to handle that crap. The end result is super easy to use. On reddit, post "/u/changetip $1" to a post or comment and if they are linked to changetip with that account, it instantly shows up in their wallet there. If they aren't linked to changetip, they get a message with instructions for how to claim the money.

      I look at this like I look at credit cards. Paying someone on the other side of the country $1000 in cash is not easy to do. Even a check would take some time. But if they take credit cards, that processing % is essentially paying someone else to do the work to make that transaction nearly instant and hassle-free. I think that the blockchain will end up working more like changetip makes it work. "The Dollar" is still behind credit card purchases. It's just far faster and easier to swipe and pin/sign than it is to count cash in many situations. We pay a % for that efficiency.

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    4. Re:Will it be pleasant to use, though? by St.Creed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paying someone on the other side of the country $1000 in cash is not easy to do.

      Why, Backward Cousin, do and come visit us in Europe sometimes! It takes about 3 seconds to transfer cash to anyone I know straight into their account, and takes at most a day to show up on their account if they have some weird small bank that only processes transactions once a day. Once PTSD2 goes live in the EU, it will all be realtime across the entire EU.

      Now, in countries that are a bit backward, like those colonies you live in, I understand that bitcoins are preferable to the alternative. But come on, it's 2016... surely your banks can come up with something better? :P :)

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  4. Partial truth by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    States could easily back the Bitcoin digital currency without creating their own. That a central bank wants to re-invent the wheel is more a testament to how much money there is to be made by a central bank controlling currency. That a State plays along and goes with the central bank's version is a testament to the control Bankers have over Governments.

    Nothing new here really.

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    1. Re:Partial truth by DriveDog · · Score: 2

      What's new is that this should be an eye-openerâ"if KAOS doesn't create and gain reasonably wide acceptance for a fully anonymous cryptocurrency soon enough, then CONTROL will get theirs widely accepted and a competing currency will not gain wide acceptance among merchants. And we'll be stuck with something a lot easier to track than paper.

    2. Re:Partial truth by delt0r · · Score: 2

      Thing about bitcoin is that its shit. It is shit as a currency since far too many speculate with it (it is basically a low volume high risk stock with zero equity behind it). It is shit for transactions because it is sooo slow and getting slower! It is shit because not many people use it. It is shit because even the people in charge of the specification are not in charge and cant sort out their shit. It is shit because it can't handle much volume at all.

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  5. entirely, or partially, anonymous by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Oh, right! That's going to happen! Please, HSBC is just looking for another way to launder money

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  6. Centrally controlled by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    So I'm sorry Mr. Smith, but according to the regulation in Chapter 48, paragraph 179 subsection j of volume 12 of last years' "Combined Banking and Virtual Currency Regulations", 3rd revision, we've been forced to suspend your account. No there's no appeal, this is not a judicial process. After all, it's only a virtual currency. Well then I suggest you read up on the regulations next time...

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  7. Re:Centralized currency? Don't we already have tha by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'll take Missing The Point for 800 Alex!

    800 bitcoin?

    [*ducks*]

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  8. Re:We already have digital currency like this. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, a credit card may facilitate transactions in various currencies, but it is not itself a currency.

    When you buy something using a credit card, you get a bill at the end of the month. Which you must pay ... using currency.

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  9. Re:We already have digital currency like this. by Darron_Wyke · · Score: 2

    Not quite. Those are digital /payment methods/. Not currencies. They are still backed up by actual fiat money.

  10. BRITcoin surely by McWeenie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a long time lurker but had to sign up to point out the Royal Bank has missed the very obvious name: BRITcoin

    1. Re:BRITcoin surely by bugs2squash · · Score: 2

      I think they are online Rupees. Clearly the Bank of England has outsourced their tech workforce.

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  11. Re:This is the beginning of a real digital currenc by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

    The value of bitcoin has value because private entities with fiat currency is backing it.

    Strictly speaking, every currency is a fiat currency because we decide what it's worth based on how we feel about either it, or what's backing it. Whether it's gold or the combined goods and services the economy it supports.

    There's no explicit gold to bread conversion.

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  12. Re: Woosh! by Moblaster · · Score: 2

    RSCoin = RothSchild Coin. No thanks.