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Mathematicians Discover Prime Conspiracy (quantamagazine.org)

An anonymous reader writes with an intriguing story at Quanta Magazine, which begins: Two mathematicians have uncovered a simple, previously unnoticed property of prime numbers — those numbers that are divisible only by 1 and themselves. Prime numbers, it seems, have decided preferences about the final digits of the primes that immediately follow them. Among the first billion prime numbers, for instance, a prime ending in 9 is almost 65 percent more likely to be followed by a prime ending in 1 than another prime ending in 9. In a paper posted online today, Kannan Soundararajan and Robert Lemke Oliver of Stanford University present both numerical and theoretical evidence that prime numbers repel other would-be primes that end in the same digit, and have varied predilections for being followed by primes ending in the other possible final digits. "We've been studying primes for a long time, and no one spotted this before," said Andrew Granville, a number theorist at the University of Montreal and University College London. "It's crazy."

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  1. Forget something? by ebonum · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Forget something? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The link isn't in the summary -- but off to the right of the title.

      I've hated this "feature" of /. every since they implemented a year or so ago.

  2. Cut it out! by Brett+Buck · · Score: 4, Funny

    Stop anthropomorphizing prime numbers. They hate that!

    1. Re:Cut it out! by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Informative

      And stop linking to the news article only, without linking to the scientific paper. Just for those who care, here is the link: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.0372...

  3. What other bases does this hold for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Only 65%? Pft. In base 2, every prime number is 100% likely to be followed by a prime ending in 1.

    1. Re:What other bases does this hold for? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >> In base 2, every prime number is 100% likely to be followed by a prime ending in 1

      That was kind of my thought too. Isn't the "9/1" thing kind of base 10-ist?

    2. Re:What other bases does this hold for? by ezdiy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TFA reads like buzzfeed of number theory, when high schoolers get all excited about pop-sci.

      Cyclic groups and observable symmetries in there are well studied field. In this particular case, it's about primes projected on a modulo 10 group. There are thousands of those exhibiting various biases, yet this one is somehow exciting because it coincides with decimal base.

    3. Re:What other bases does this hold for? by SeriousTube · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you rtfa it says "Lemke Oliver and Soundararajan discovered that this sort of bias in the final digits of consecutive primes holds not just in base 3, but also in base 10 and several other bases; they conjecture that it’s true in every base. "

    4. Re:What other bases does this hold for? by GrahamCox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The base doesn't change what the number IS, only how it is written down.

  4. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    >Two mathematicians have uncovered a simple, previously unnoticed property of prime numbers — those numbers that are divisible only by 1 and themselves.

    Did anyone else LOL when they read the first sentence. My first thought was who wouldn't notice primes are only divisible by 1 and themselves it's the definition, duh.

    1. Re:LOL by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> Did anyone else LOL when they read the first sentence.

      Yes. I initially though someone had pranked SlashDot by convincing the editors that no one knew that property of primes before. If so, that would have been the ultimate SlashDot dup - 2500 years or so in the making.

  5. Twim primes? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this has anything to do with Twin primes. If a prime ends in 9, then its twin will end in 1, and so we should expect primes ending in 9 to more often be followed by primes ending in 1. The number of twin primes is believed to be infinite, but they get more sparse as you go towards infinity (proportional to 1/(ln(n)^2)), even faster than primes (proportional to 1/ln(n)), so if they are responsible for the bias, then the bias should diminish as you go up.

    1. Re:Twim primes? by DrJimbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wonder if this has anything to do with Twin primes.

      Yes, they are most likely related. Both the twin prime conjecture and these results about the final digits can be derived from the prime k-tuple conjecture. Or so says the fine article. It is not immediately obvious to me why the current result is predicted by the prime k-tuple conjecture but it does sound reasonable.

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  6. Re:Bizarre paragraph in the linked article by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This seems wrong to me. Both Alice and Bob have equal chance of rolling a head, hence on average they will need the same number of tries to arrive at a head toss; and since coins dont have memory, the next toss has equal chance of being head or tail. So I do expect the chances of head head and head tail to be the same.

    Yes, it's called a veridical paradox. That's something that seems impossible but is nonetheless true. You can verify it by flipping a coin, or running a computer simulation using a good random number generator.

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  7. Re:Bruce Schneier can factor any prime instantly! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, now he has to come up with a new one.

    Private keys are supposed to be kept secret, dammit!

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  8. Re:Waste of time by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone with at least a passing interest in cryptography and computer security does. Primes is basically what we rely on in these fields.

    Quite seriously, every time someone comes up with a claim that something can be done "more easily", "more efficiently" or generally "faster" in a field that remotely touches on prime numbers, you can see the ripples in the fabric of spacetime from cryptographers shaking in their boots.

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  9. Re:Bizarre paragraph in the linked article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intuitively it makes sense. Assume the first H has been tossed. For Alice, she fails by tossing another H. However, this second H can be the first H of a successful HT sequence, so in failure there is a silver lining - she's halfway to success and can stop after tossing a single T. Full sequence: HHT.

    For Bob, after tossing the first H, tossing a T means he has to start over. He needs to toss another H first, followed by yet another H to succeed. His task is harder. Full sequence: HTHH.

  10. Re:How about prime numbers of base 12 number? by jonhainer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The twin prime conjecture is independent of the base, so the base doesn't matter for it to be true or false.

    I would find this surprising, since in a base 2 system every prime number ending in 1 is followed by a prime number ending in 1.

  11. 10? by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Funny

    10 is divisible by 1,2, 5, and 10, so how is it prime?

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    1. Re:10? by burtosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are 10 kinds of people who understand binary. Those who do and those who don't.