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AMD Announces 16 TFLOP Radeon Pro Duo (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Remember that Radeon R9 Fury X2 graphics card that AMD CEO Lisa Su showed off months ago? We were previously lead to believe that the dual-GPU graphics card would deliver performance of around 12 TFLOPs. However, the card will actually deliver in excess of 16 TFLOPs. AMD says that this is more than enough to allow developers to "Develop content more rapidly for tomorrow's killer VR experiences while at work, and playing the latest DirectX 12 experiences at maximum fidelity while off work." And the Radeon R9 Fury X2 name? That's dead and buried — the card is now known as the Radeon Pro Duo. Not much is known about the new card at this point but the Radeon Pro Duo will apparently be available during the second quarter with an estimated street price of $1,499.

42 comments

  1. A good effort but timing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It needed to come out q1, Nvidia will likely have their next architecture step ready and distributed by q2 and AMD will have to take second place again (and in a game with only three players, second isn't that great)

    i want AMD to be around the next time I build a system, but the way it's looking that's not going to happen.

  2. Find out what is and isn't actually news by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not news: AMD slapped two GPUs from last year onto a card in an under-clocked and over-priced configuration like AMD/Nvidia have been doing for years.

    News: Even AMD couldn't avoid posting pictures of a nice shiny red AMD developer system that's clearly running a Haswell-E CPU with an LGA-2011 motherboard to make the "X2" or "Pro" or whatever they are calling it be functional.

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    1. Re:Find out what is and isn't actually news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping for some Zen news, maybe experimental figures on performance. I really need them to come through so I can have a normal priced upgrade path for my aging i5.

    2. Re:Find out what is and isn't actually news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News: Even AMD couldn't avoid posting pictures of a nice shiny red AMD developer system that's clearly running a Haswell-E CPU with an LGA-2011 motherboard to make the "X2" or "Pro" or whatever they are calling it be functional.

      They did that with Project Quantum as well, and essentially said "Eh, we know people will want pre-builds with Intel CPUs, so we've got that option". The article says that the pictures are of a system built and sold by Maingear, so I'm guessing Maingear insisted on an Intel CPU for market reasons.

  3. Re:What's a TFLOP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That was fucking hilarious

  4. looking up rocks in our heads on alphabet.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we're all natives now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-kA3UtBj4M cease fire stand down,,, even loud noise harms tiny babys

  5. What can I do with it? by randomErr · · Score: 0

    Other then nice graphics can I harvest DogeCoins with it? If so what the best application for that? What else can I do?

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    1. Re:What can I do with it? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      What you can do with it: talk about how awesome your new GPU is, while never actually getting that performance out of it because of the piss poor state of AMD's drivers.

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    2. Re:What can I do with it? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "What else can I do?"
      Get a game VR ready for Windows. 4K, 90fps.

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  6. A few observations by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

    Going by the pricing, this is clearly being pitched at competing with the Nvidia Titan range. The current entry in that range is currently a white elephant, with performance that is basically matched by the (much cheaper) 980ti. However, past Titans (and their *90 predecessors) have generally had a successful enough niche in the super-premium section of the market.

    However, and this is where I can speak from personal experience, multi-GPU cards are not always a great use of money, even at the top end of the market. I've owned two of them before (both Nvidia): the 7950GX2 and the 590. Both of them had problems. In both cases, support in individual games was patchy. In some titles, you would get only limited benefit. In a fairly large number of titles, you would get no benefit. In some titles (including various iterations of World of Warcraft), you could get odd performance artefacts and stability problems that meant that the dual-GPU card was actually weaker than the top-end single-GPU card. That situation has not changed; the last twelve months have seen a number of major PC releases with poor, no, or seriously bugged multi-GPU support.

    The other point is that these cards are not necessarily the easiest to live with on a day-to-day basis. While Nvidia have made great strides in reducing the heat and noise output, as well as the power consumption, of their high end cards recently (the 980 behaves like a low-to-mid end card from a few generations ago and even the 980ti is reasonably civilised), AMD cards remain louder, hotter and more power-hungry. God only knows what the profiles of this latest beast are going to look like.

    For a lot of users, that may mean PSU and system-cooling upgrades. It might make this card a poor choice for living-room PCs (which are increasingly popular, thanks to Steam big-picture mode and the like). And it does raise lingering worries about longevity; some past dual-GPU cards, like the 7950GX2, have been notorious for burning out after 18 months or so.

    1. Re:A few observations by Kjella · · Score: 1

      However, and this is where I can speak from personal experience, multi-GPU cards are not always a great use of money

      Are they ever? It seems like two cards in CF/SLI have pretty much the exact same performance and drawbacks, with much less of a premium. Now I'd really like a single card that could drive my 4K monitor, but even the 980 Ti/Fury X aren't quite there. I'm guessing I'll stick with what I have until 14/16nm and 8GB of HBM2 is an option.

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    2. Re:A few observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it should not surprise people that 'edge' features in hardware isnot as well tested as the core functionality as game is specified to use.

    3. Re:A few observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they did call it "Pro", and not "Home" or "Junior", and the tag-line there is "for gamers who create and creators who game".

      It seems it's for developers, and for early adopters who don't care if it's noisy or harder to use. Anyone who requires less than 16TFLOP/s can stick with a single-chip device like a Fury, a 390 or a Titan, and continue to wait & see how VR actually shapes up before buying hardware specifically for VR.

    4. Re:A few observations by JohnStock · · Score: 1

      I couldn't take your post seriously once you mentioned World of Warcraft.

  7. Supercomputing by paskie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where AMD seems really missing out is supercomputing. If you are building a computing cluster, you always go with NVidia, because of CUDA's overwhelming presence in the ecosystem. (Cracking might be an exception.) For example, all the major deep learning frameworks work just with CUDA. Why doesn't AMD care? It must be losing a lot of sales on this.

    If AMD paid three guys fulltime to add OpenCL backends to the most popular open source libraries and built a CuDNN equivalent, the world would be a better place for everyone, but most clearly for AMD.

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    1. Re:Supercomputing by Arkh89 · · Score: 1

      That would not be sufficient. It is not just about the libraries : powerful AMD cards are usually loud and power hungry, plus they do not have Linux/Unix support which means that they are not cluster-friendly.
      The message with ATI/AMD has always been clear : they only care about the gaming market and will focus it only on Windows platform.

    2. Re:Supercomputing by bridgmanAMD · · Score: 1

      Something like this ? https://gpuopen.com/wp-content...

    3. Re:Supercomputing by paskie · · Score: 1

      Yes, that looks like a good start. Probably a long way from being able to just run this on something complex like theano to make it work with OpenCL, though. (But if I'm wrong about that, all the better.)

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    4. Re:Supercomputing by armanox · · Score: 2

      I'd say there are quite a few OpenCL projects that run rather well on AMD cards - POEM@HOME and Einstein@HOME seem to work better on AMD (And I'm running AMD on Linux too mind you)

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    5. Re:Supercomputing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nonsense. AMD's current architecture is substantially more efficient in pure computational applications than Nvidia's. Around 25% more flops/w, last I heard.

      Also, no one in supercomputing cares about loud. They generally use liquid cooling anyway, for extra efficiency: higher heat means higher power consumption, due to increased leakage current.

      Whether their software is up to the task is another question. I suspect for anyone wanting to build a supercomputer based on AMD chips, it would be in short order if it isn't already.

    6. Re:Supercomputing by bridgmanAMD · · Score: 1

      Yep, converting to OpenCL would probably be harder, but what we're doing here is converting to C++17 with parallel STL that can run over our HCC or CUDA NVCC.

  8. Great more TFLOP's by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More TFLOP's are great. But what I'm really interested in out of AMD are:

    1) Better driver support
    2) Something to compete with Nvidia's Physx, Gameworks, built-in video encoding, etc.
    3) Better support from game developers

    I recently abandoned the red team because I got sick of waiting for them to get their act together while Nvidia got all the developer and exclusive-feature love.

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    1. Re:Great more TFLOP's by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      More TFLOP's are great. But what I'm really interested in out of AMD are:

      1) Better driver support 2) Something to compete with Nvidia's Physx, Gameworks, built-in video encoding, etc. 3) Better support from game developers

      I recently abandoned the red team because I got sick of waiting for them to get their act together while Nvidia got all the developer and exclusive-feature love.

      This. I don't care about FLOPS, I'm not a mainframe sysadmin. Give me Linux drivers or give me bust.

    2. Re:Great more TFLOP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html; sure.

    3. Re:Great more TFLOP's by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Had I but one point to give, it would go to you.

      I, like many of us, have used both companies' products, and for a while alternated with each generation from one to the other (going back to, I believe, the AMD All-in-Wonder card series). But until the three items you've laid out are addressed, I'm sad to say that my future purchases will consist exclusively of NVidia boards.

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    4. Re:Great more TFLOP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PhysX is a meme, bro.

    5. Re:Great more TFLOP's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      going back to, I believe, the AMD All-in-Wonder card series

      I don't think AMD's AIW card was very successful. ATI's in other hand...

  9. "street price" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is this where off-the-shelf computer parts are going?

  10. Will it run on my Pi2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or do I have to upgrade to the Pi3?

  11. vGPUs and virtualization. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For that amount of money I should be able to use it as a vGPU under virtualization. Currently only the most expensive cards from both Nvidia and AMD will work.

  12. Underpromise and overdeliver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a concept

  13. Re:New AMD TFLOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a flopping technology.

  14. Re:What's a TFLOP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's just the way I prefer them, a nice floppy and some low-hanging fruit swinging around, you know?

  15. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In ten years I can get one.

  16. Terra flops by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    I don't think this article is complete, but the terra flops barrier was broken around 1997: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and those computers where considered "super computers"

    And now we have off the shelf GPUs doing 16TFLOPs in a PC.

    I guess EVE Online needs to change the specs of their ships and shift to peta flops ;D

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  17. Re:What's a TFLOP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are pretty much right: /r/tflop (obviously NSFW)

  18. Overpriced because of Bitcoin/Litecoin by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 1

    This card would only cost $700-800 if prices didn't get artificially inflated in the last few years because every card on the planet was being bought by Bitcoin miners (and then Litecoin miners once you couldn't profitably mine Bitcoin without ASICs)...

  19. Lead to believe by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

    We were previously lead

    As in Pb, the metal?

  20. still crippled by CFX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since it has 2 GPUs, it must use CFX profiles.

    CFX profiles (like SLI ones) are included with drivers, are practically never faultless, and tend to work on a game-by-game basis.

    New game comes out? You have to get the new drivers to get the CFX profile for that game (assuming theyre even available for download) or you're just using one GPU (alternatively, you use a profile for another similar game and hope for the best). let's say you do get the drivers + profile: the profile doesnt give you 2x the performance of a single GPU/introduced stutter/elongated frame latency/produces artifact/increased fps deltas/etc.? sadly expected.

    single GPU (w/ a competent overclock if you dont plan on keeping the card for 10+ years) is still best for gaming. the other crap is for synthetic benchmarking.