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EU Court Says Hotspot Owners Aren't Liable For 3rd-Party Piracy

Mickeycaskill writes: A preliminary ruling from a European Court of Justice Advocate General has said it is not reasonable for owners of public Wi-Fi hotspots to be held liable for copyright infringement committed by users on these networks. Sony took legal action against a German business owner after a third party allegedly illegally downloaded music to which the record label owned the rights to on the basis the network should have been secured. However this view has been rejected by the Advocate General who says it is impossible for all public Wi-Fi to be secured. His recommendation will now be debated by European judges.

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  1. Little people, I know... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize that the law works differently for little people and all(though it's not as though Team Media have been shy about insisting that basically everyone who in some way facilitates internet use should have a responsibility to protect their precious 'content' for them, from ISPs to search engines); but I'm a trifle baffled by how it could even be a serious question whether somebody operating an internet-connected wifi AP is responsible for the actions of the users of that AP. More or less everyone accepts that ISPs, telcos, and the like can't possibly be held responsible for every last dumb or criminal thing that their customers do or we'd have to shut down basically everything; and isn't a public AP just a particularly small last-mile ISP with even less practical ability to keep tabs on its customers(since it may not have much info on them, compared to ISPs that know where you live or have your billing information; and is atypically likely to be operated as an amenity by technically unsophisticated proprietors of a coffee shop/hotel/etc. rather than by an ISP that may have clueless tier 1 reps; but can't stay in business without at least some hardcore NOC types in the background).

    Yes, operating a hotspot for the benefit of your business off the cheapest 'home' internet plan may be a breach of your ISP's ToS; but that's a totally separate issue, to be taken up between you and them if they care so much, and not relevant to your culpability for what 3rd parties do on your hotspot.

    1. Re:Little people, I know... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More or less everyone accepts that ISPs, telcos, and the like can't possibly be held responsible for every last dumb or criminal thing that their customers do or we'd have to shut down basically everything

      No... adult rational people accept this. Lawyers of media companies such as Sony do not accept this, and they would like to be able to sue ISPs over it, at least if they cannot easily "recover" $$$ and cease-and-decist from the end-user.

    2. Re:Little people, I know... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to remember that the media people are stuck in the 20th century. For example, in the UK if a business has a radio for staff, they must ensure that that the public can't hear it because that would require a licence. If there is a back office the door must be closed and the volume kept low enough that customers out the front can't hear it, and the BPI will send people round to check. It's that stupid.

      So from their point of view, offering a service like wifi that makes the cafe more attractive to patrons but also allows them to pirate music means that the cafe owner must be liable. It's nonsense of course, but they can only think in 20th century terms and concepts like being a "carrier" only apply to other huge corporations, not peons.

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    3. Re:Little people, I know... by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... how exactly do you propose preventing piracy over a public hotspot? Should a cafe hire someone to go around, demanding customers to show him what they're doing on their phones and laptops? Should they record all traffic going over the hotspot, and analyze it for pirate-like behavior, invading the privacy of everyone using it? Get rid of all public hotspots? That's what this is really all about - shutting down public hotspots to force all Internet traffic into places where each access to a pirate site can be linked to a specific person.

      When the cure is worse than the disease, rational people just learn to live with the disease. The entire global music industry only makes about $15 billion/yr in revenue (movie industry is about $88 billion/yr). Yet they've got the government doing backflips to accommodate them imposing all sorts of crazy restrictions on the $100 billion/yr search industry, $400 billion/yr software industry, $500 billion/yr ISP industry, $1 trillion/yr electronics industry, and now the $500 billion/yr hotel industry and $3.5 trillion/yr restaurant industry. When the bug gets too annoying, you'll find it's easier to squash it than to try to be nice and allow it to live.

  2. Re:Good to see this by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is not about child porn anyway, just about the content mafia.

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  3. Re:Wohoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Darling, I'm not aware of what the Polish government is doing and I actually couldn't care less, however, an intelligent ruling on a piracy case doesn't magically erase or make up for all the bad things the EU has done and is doing: the TTIP, the Maastricht rules, the Fiscal Compact, the substantial failure of the single currency, the progressive erasure of the national identities and cultures, the inability to handle the refugee crisis, and, most importantly, blackmailing Greece and Portugal into accepting strangling bailouts (otherwise German and French banks go bust, and the single currency with them) while a controlled bankruptcy and exit from the eurozone would have probably been better for those countries (and not only for them).

    That's why European people are massively voting for anti-EU politicians, not only in Poland but also in Italy, France, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands, and now even Germany (which says it all, they are the only ones gaining from the existence of the EU...). And that's also why David Cameron in the UK was basically forced to promise a "Brexit" referendum in his electoral campaign, otherwise he wouldn't have been re-elected.

    You know, most people have more serious and pressing problems than downloading the latest Star Wars for free. All that said, congrats to the EU court for this specific decision. When the EU won't exist anymore - and believe me, it won't take long for that, people's will cannot be ignored for too long - I hope those intelligent judges will be appointed to the national constitutional courts of their own countries.