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EU Court Says Hotspot Owners Aren't Liable For 3rd-Party Piracy

Mickeycaskill writes: A preliminary ruling from a European Court of Justice Advocate General has said it is not reasonable for owners of public Wi-Fi hotspots to be held liable for copyright infringement committed by users on these networks. Sony took legal action against a German business owner after a third party allegedly illegally downloaded music to which the record label owned the rights to on the basis the network should have been secured. However this view has been rejected by the Advocate General who says it is impossible for all public Wi-Fi to be secured. His recommendation will now be debated by European judges.

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  1. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Third party hotspot providers should not be liable for stopping piracy. Anymore then being liable for hackers who use a hotspot to attack other devices. The only exception to this, is when the hotspot provider could be shown to aid or provide direct assistance in obtaining pirated content. If your simply provided access to the internet, you cannot possible be held responsible to know what ever user of that access point is doing.

  2. Little people, I know... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize that the law works differently for little people and all(though it's not as though Team Media have been shy about insisting that basically everyone who in some way facilitates internet use should have a responsibility to protect their precious 'content' for them, from ISPs to search engines); but I'm a trifle baffled by how it could even be a serious question whether somebody operating an internet-connected wifi AP is responsible for the actions of the users of that AP. More or less everyone accepts that ISPs, telcos, and the like can't possibly be held responsible for every last dumb or criminal thing that their customers do or we'd have to shut down basically everything; and isn't a public AP just a particularly small last-mile ISP with even less practical ability to keep tabs on its customers(since it may not have much info on them, compared to ISPs that know where you live or have your billing information; and is atypically likely to be operated as an amenity by technically unsophisticated proprietors of a coffee shop/hotel/etc. rather than by an ISP that may have clueless tier 1 reps; but can't stay in business without at least some hardcore NOC types in the background).

    Yes, operating a hotspot for the benefit of your business off the cheapest 'home' internet plan may be a breach of your ISP's ToS; but that's a totally separate issue, to be taken up between you and them if they care so much, and not relevant to your culpability for what 3rd parties do on your hotspot.

    1. Re:Little people, I know... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More or less everyone accepts that ISPs, telcos, and the like can't possibly be held responsible for every last dumb or criminal thing that their customers do or we'd have to shut down basically everything

      No... adult rational people accept this. Lawyers of media companies such as Sony do not accept this, and they would like to be able to sue ISPs over it, at least if they cannot easily "recover" $$$ and cease-and-decist from the end-user.

    2. Re:Little people, I know... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to remember that the media people are stuck in the 20th century. For example, in the UK if a business has a radio for staff, they must ensure that that the public can't hear it because that would require a licence. If there is a back office the door must be closed and the volume kept low enough that customers out the front can't hear it, and the BPI will send people round to check. It's that stupid.

      So from their point of view, offering a service like wifi that makes the cafe more attractive to patrons but also allows them to pirate music means that the cafe owner must be liable. It's nonsense of course, but they can only think in 20th century terms and concepts like being a "carrier" only apply to other huge corporations, not peons.

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    3. Re:Little people, I know... by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So... how exactly do you propose preventing piracy over a public hotspot? Should a cafe hire someone to go around, demanding customers to show him what they're doing on their phones and laptops? Should they record all traffic going over the hotspot, and analyze it for pirate-like behavior, invading the privacy of everyone using it? Get rid of all public hotspots? That's what this is really all about - shutting down public hotspots to force all Internet traffic into places where each access to a pirate site can be linked to a specific person.

      When the cure is worse than the disease, rational people just learn to live with the disease. The entire global music industry only makes about $15 billion/yr in revenue (movie industry is about $88 billion/yr). Yet they've got the government doing backflips to accommodate them imposing all sorts of crazy restrictions on the $100 billion/yr search industry, $400 billion/yr software industry, $500 billion/yr ISP industry, $1 trillion/yr electronics industry, and now the $500 billion/yr hotel industry and $3.5 trillion/yr restaurant industry. When the bug gets too annoying, you'll find it's easier to squash it than to try to be nice and allow it to live.

  3. Good to see this by houghi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just hope it hold up till a final ruling. I also am pretty sure that posting a 'download your child porn her as anon dor free with a coffee' will not be a legal slogan for anybody.

    What is interesting is that providers need to keep connection data for two years. So if they see somebody downloading childporn from everyday at 08:07-08:09 at the stations Starbucks, it is still possible to get a court order to get more data and set up an operation to arrest the person.

    Just a bit more work. And that is a good thing as it will prevent random searches. A thing Germany has a bit of experience in and the USoA are getting aware of it.

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    1. Re:Good to see this by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is not about child porn anyway, just about the content mafia.

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    2. Re:Good to see this by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      You'll see it right in TFS:

      "...has said it is not reasonable for owners of public Wi-Fi hotspots to be held liable for copyright infringement committed by users on these networks. Sony took legal action against a German business owner after a third party allegedly illegally downloaded music..."

      But why do I expect people reading the summary in first place? I guess I must be new here.

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  4. FTFW! by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 2


    Because logic!

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  5. A bit of nitpicking... by nava68 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is not a preliminary ruling per se but an Opinion registered by the General Advocate - usually the court follows his arguments but only then it will be a ruling. Nevertheless is this a great step towards a open wifi in some of the EU states. The case centers around a german law which forces you, if running a hotspot, to ensure that your hotspot is not used to violate IP (by using passwords or providing detailed logs afaik - as if that would help). But the law also determines that you can be hold liable if IP violations are committed using your hotspot without those countermeasures. That is what happened in this case as the party seeking this ruling was billed 800,- for alleged IP violations by Sony. As far as the registered Opinion goes it seems that the EU court will uphold the rights of free speech instead of hindering it by making wifi operators liable.

  6. A bit of context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The case that got escalated to the EU court is as described in the blurb, but it's not a new situation at all. It got escalated because Sony sued "the wrong guy", a Pirate Party member and Freifunk activist who didn't just cave when Sony's lawyers demanded 800 EUR because someone had shared music via his open wireless network. The concept is called "Störerhaftung", which means that while you're not liable for the copyright infraction as such, you are liable for the hazard created by operating the Wifi in a way that doesn't prevent the infraction. This concept is the reason why publicly accessible Wifi is a rarity in Germany, and mostly operated by large ISPs, whereas public hotspots are ubiquitous in other European countries. The current "solution" that is used by Freifunk and many other hotspot operators is to tunnel all traffic from the Wifi hotspot through a VPN provider in a different country that doesn't have this liability-by-proxy concept (usually the Netherlands). This way the traffic isn't traced back to the operator of the Wifi hotspot and the lawyers can't collect hundreds of Euros for sending a letter, as they have been doing for at least 10 years. Angela Merkel's party is still fighting to keep public Wifi as useless as possible by requiring all sorts of hoops that a hotspot operator has to jump through to be exempted from being liable by proxy. So, this is not Germany leading the EU to enlightenment. It's one guy in Germany trying to force Germany to catch up to its neighbors.

    1. Re:A bit of context by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

      The case that got escalated to the EU court is as described in the blurb, but it's not a new situation at all. It got escalated because Sony sued "the wrong guy", a Pirate Party member and Freifunk activist who didn't just cave when Sony's lawyers demanded 800 EUR because someone had shared music via his open wireless network. The concept is called "Störerhaftung", which means that while you're not liable for the copyright infraction as such, you are liable for the hazard created by operating the Wifi in a way that doesn't prevent the infraction. This concept is the reason why publicly accessible Wifi is a rarity in Germany, and mostly operated by large ISPs, whereas public hotspots are ubiquitous in other European countries. The current "solution" that is used by Freifunk and many other hotspot operators is to tunnel all traffic from the Wifi hotspot through a VPN provider in a different country that doesn't have this liability-by-proxy concept (usually the Netherlands). This way the traffic isn't traced back to the operator of the Wifi hotspot and the lawyers can't collect hundreds of Euros for sending a letter, as they have been doing for at least 10 years. Angela Merkel's party is still fighting to keep public Wifi as useless as possible by requiring all sorts of hoops that a hotspot operator has to jump through to be exempted from being liable by proxy. So, this is not Germany leading the EU to enlightenment. It's one guy in Germany trying to force Germany to catch up to its neighbors.

      They've been using this to blackmail small businesses for years. I staid at a hotel in Austria which did not offer WiFi. When I asked them why the manageress said they got taken to the cleaners for several thousand euros over some idiot who bittorrented copyrighted crap over their WiFi. This sentence should have been passed years ago. Making WiFi operators pay content owners damages for the activity of bittorenters on their network is like punishing municipalities for the fact that smugglers are transporting contraband on their roads. Having said that, whatever the rights and wrongs of this issue may be, putting up a firewall that will block most of this traffic might save you a whole lot of bother. Unfortunately many small business owners simply aren't tech-savvy enough to take proper precautions and even then the potential of being sued simply makes the loathe to take the risk of ofering a WiFi service.

  7. Damn record labels by wkwilley2 · · Score: 2

    I think the moral of the story is that the RIAA, Sony, Columbia, etc don't care where the money comes from, just as long as they money comes in.

    Besides, it's not like the artist would see a dime of the settlement if it ever came to pass.

    This is why the music industry is fucked.

    Source: I'm a musician.

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  8. Re:Router by cbraescu1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Should I be liable for /all/ of it??

    Of course you should be held liable. By your own admission you knew of the problem and didn't fix it. End of story.

    Just for you to understand: a safe harbor situation happens only the the Internet access provider takes place to track access: either individual logins + passwords or tracking activity and storing the logs for N years. Absent such measures the access provider is liable for actions originating from his/her access point.

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