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N. Korea Launches Ballistic Missile

The BBC reports that North Korea's military today launched a ballistic missile from that country's east coast; the missile fell into the water after a flight of about 500 miles. Reuters adds some more details, and names a different launching point. From their report: South Korea's Yonhap news agency said the missile was likely a medium-range Rodong-missile. ... The missile was launched from an area near the west coast north of the capital, Pyongyang, flying across the [peninsula] and into the sea off the east coast early Friday morning, the South's Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement. CNN adds a sobering graphic indicating the projected range of North Korea's missile arsenal.

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  1. Re:Oops... by meglon · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Because idiots keep saying every penny we spend on the military is a good thing, even when it's trillions of dollars wasted for shit. The "lefts" tolerance for idiots, and lies, is slightly less than the gullible cowards of the "right."

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/...

    Hell, I'll take a system with a 20% chance of working over nothing, if it can be improved over time.

    From the article:

    Despite years of tinkering and vows to fix technical shortcomings, the system's performance has gotten worse, not better, since testing began in 1999. Of the eight tests held since GMD became operational in 2004, five have been failures.

    So the difference is... people on the right want to piss away large amounts of money on useless things to help them from being scared of their own shadow, while people on the left want something that actually works. Must be hell going through life as a coward.

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  2. Re:Oops... by meglon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    See, it's idiots like you i'm talking about. You have to show how much of a fucking idiot you are by conflating an attempt to negotiate with an egotistical sociopath (which in general will never work out well) to wasting trillions of dollars on COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS SHIT just so cowards can feel safer than they actually are. I mean, seriously.. you can't be that fucking stupid really... can you?

    The only thing that could make your comment even more fucking stupid would be if you were one of those idiots who constantly complain about government spending.

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  3. Re:Oops... by meglon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Straight defense spending is about the same as social security being the program WITH A DEDICATED TAX THAT FUNDS IT PAID FOR BY WORKERS. Medicare also has THAT DEDICATED TAX SYSTEM. That defense spending is just what's in the defense budget, and doesn't include veterans, the nuclear arsenal, and interest on the debt made up of past military/war expenditures. All told, our "defense" spending purely on military oriented items is ~1 trillion a year.

    BUT, here's the difference. social security are DEDICATED taxes. They are paid for by a tax that is collected ONLY because SS and Medicare exist. And i'll be honest, i think providing 40 million elderly a fixed income WHICH THEY PAID FOR WITH A DEDICATED TAX, and 65 million elderly and disabled medical services WHICH THEY PAID FOR WITH A DEDICATED TAX, to be a hell of a lot better use of money than giving billions to companies that produce weapons systems THAT DO NOT WORK.

    I do think "idiot" is a good term for anyone who would rather piss away money on something THAT DOES NOT WORK rather than helping tens of millions of people with something that does, especially when THEY PAID FOR IT WITH A DEDICATED TAX.

    So we're again back to, it takes a special kind of coward to waste money on FAILED military programs just to keep them from being scared of their shadow.

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  4. Re:Oops... by meglon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, it's called "basic accounting." I do realize there's a lot of people who know nothing about "basic accounting" or even "bookkeeping," but i can't help it if they would prefer to remain ignorant.

    There is a specific, dedicated, social security tax. That tax money goes into a pooled account which is later used to pay out when people qualify. It ain't rocket science. There's nothing misleading about the language i use; people are not as stupid as you think. And my post wasn't to be condescending, it was to point out YET AGAIN, how some people (usually those who hate the government) mislead with bullshit.... just like you're trying to do. Conservatives and projection... they go hand in hand.

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  5. Re:What's the angle here? by Xest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The West wont touch NK because of China, China doesn't want to deal with NK because it doesn't want to deal with millions of desperate migrants out of NK, nor does it want a likely Western oriented nation (United Korea) directly on it's doorstep.

    The calculus will change if and when North Korea becomes a bigger problem to have on your doorstep than a Western friendly nation would and the cost of refugees ends up being lower than the cost of a madman. China doesn't want to have to occupy North Korea because it's already got enough restive regions on it's plate to deal with such as Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang province etc. without having to add yet another one. Contrary to China's big strong image it's a fragile divided nation only one arab-spring type event away from seeing a pandemic of breakaway states. It doesn't need another one of those on it's plate if it can help it.

    Kim exists as he does because he's convenient to the Chinese now - having a buffer nation to retain extremely poor North Koreans so that you don't have to deal with them yourself, and to separate you physically from a Western facing nation like South Korea is extremely convenient for China. As soon as he becomes much more inconvenient he and his state will cease to exist as they do now - if Kim keeps people poor the number of people trying to escape to China will only increase and so China will suffer the refugee influx regardless. If he keeps acting in a manner that forces a greater Western military buildup in the seas around the area then the relevance of that buffer zone between them and the West will start to erode also.

    Kim can push, but only so far, and if he crosses a line he'll no longer be useful.