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Gov't Accidentally Publishes Target of Lavabit Probe: It's Snowden (arstechnica.com)
AmiMoJo writes: In the summer of 2013, secure e-mail service Lavabit was ordered by a federal judge to provide real-time e-mail monitoring of one of its users. Rather than comply with the order, Levison shut down his entire company. He said what the government was seeking would have endangered the privacy of all of his 410,000 users. Now, what was widely assumed has been confirmed. In documents posted to the federal PACER database this month, the government accidentally left his e-mail, 'Ed_snowden@lavabit.com,' unredacted for all to see.
Apple and these guys telling the government to fuck themselves.
The US electorate going apeshit.
It's like we're in a cold revolution!
I guess it is nice that the government accidentally confirmed the obvious, but it's not much of a news story.
It's obvious to anyone with a brain. Unfortunately there are people that thinks (or claim that they think) that it is just ramblings of conspiracy theorist nutjobs.
Having a source to point to is always nice.
It would seem to me that someone who seemed so paranoid (rightfully so) would use a pseudonym or alias of some sort.
The real news story is how lavabit was abused in closed court. And they fought back - a bit. Sent the required SSL encryption keys(!) as 4point 11 page document rather than .pem files.
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Read all the other bullshit that the government AND the court/judge got away with behind closed doors.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
The guy hasn't done anything wrong, yet lost his business due to governmental pressure.
The government (which in effect means the taxpayers) should compensate this man for the loss of his business. He had the personal integrity to stand up for his users even at great personal cost to himself. If our society shits on people like that, while the ones who succeed are people like this, then I think we've lost the plot. Our society is rotten to the core.
We need to start treating people like Snowden (or apparently this Levison chap) with respect for their service to the public, and punishing the people who are responsible for the wrong doings to begin with, rather than punishing the whistleblowers.
Yes, the money to compensate him for the loss of his business comes out of taxpayer coffers, but it's lost in the noise of graft and corruption losses, and anyway, we, the taxpayers, elected the clowns that caused the problem, so it's really our fault in the end.
. . . .Top men, I tell you. . . . (grin)
Mind you, even a layman can see what a clown car it usually is. . . . The fact that MOST of the evidence that Snowden was the target was redacted, probably got some Fed promoted to GS-15, and a nice performance bonus.
I think you are being a bit hyperbolic using the word obvious.
The evidence was reasonable as to draw the conclusion, but it wasn't obvious. And there would always be those who refused to recognize the strong likelihood. However, now, the truth is undeniable.
The point GP was trying to make is that many people are not reasonable and cannot draw conclusions well, so NEED obvious answers.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Where were all the conservatives who complain about government regulation strangling businesses when government regulations strangled Lavabit?
Yeah, all of this could've been avoided if he just used Not_Ed_Snowden@lavabit.com
In a world where we TRULY have a clandestine nebulous paramilitary think tank spying on every American in an attempt to suppress dissent. And a secret out of country military torture prison where we send such undesirables. The whole "conspiracy theorist nut job" argument kind of goes out the window.
Does any one really believe that Edward Snowdens email address is 'Ed_snowden@lavabit.com' ?
The worst part is that shit like this is no longer surprising or noteworthy.
There was a time when a revelation like this would have been major news, all the papers and news stations would have had a field day with it, and heads would have rolled. Now there's barely the merest hint of interest, and not a shred of outrage.
The public has been thoroughly desensitized to what should be seen as egregious and illegal behavior by the government, yet for most people it's basically a snoozefest.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
The news story is what happens if The People ever start to care about their most basic rights. Because if they gave a fuck, the obvious followup question to the government is: Why was it necessary to keep the target a secret? Everyone knew about Snowden and assumed it was Snowden. Yet Levison was told he can't tell anyone his system was being attacked or else.
I want to know why "don't state the obvious" was a legitimate reason to use secret police powers. Go ahead and explain it, government: this is going to be hilarious.
This new experimental power should be revoked. It didn't work out. The government proved it can't be trusted with the "you don't have 1st, 4th and 5th amendment rights whenever we say 'this is an important post-9/11 exception'" power. Seriously: does anyone have any doubts that the question isn't completely settled now?
Is there still any controversy? Whether you're pro-Snowden or anti-Snowden, now that cat is out of the bag on this case, tell me how things might have gone differently if Snowden had found out that Lavabit was under attack.
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There are still people who think the "rape" charge against Julian Assange is completely unrelated to his work with Wikileaks, and that the UK would spend millions for surveillance on any ole' Joe facing questioning in Sweden. People are fucking stupid.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
that's not really fighting back. that's just being a douche. fighting back is saying no.
That is because it is independant. If it was a way to get to Assange, why is it easier to go through Sweden and the UK instead of just the UK? The UK spent millions on surveillance because it was a high profile case of a person evading justice and they knew exactly where he was. Do you have evidence of other people pulling shit like this and just being let go, because "oh well they got away"? Do you expect everyone to just drop the rape charges because Assange refuses to present himself to be charged?
I agree, people are stupid.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I think that you are rewriting history. The government got the case moved to a court where their existing lawyers could not represent them (not admitted). Finding a new lawyer with the requisite security clearance in the time required wasn't possible.
The government screwed them over with the assistance of the courts. How well would you do in court against the government without a lawyer?
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!