US Government Pushed Many Tech Firms To Hand Over Source Code (zdnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Apple isn't the only company that has been asked to hand over the source code of its operating system. In an effort to find security flaws that could be used for surveillance or investigations, the U.S. government has made numerous attempts to obtain the source code from other tech companies. From the ZDNet report, "The government has demanded source code in civil cases filed under seal but also by seeking clandestine rulings authorized under the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), a person with direct knowledge of these demands told ZDNet. The Justice Department wanted to draw outrage, painting Apple as the criminal. With these hearings held in secret and away from the public gaze, the person said that the tech companies hit by these demands are losing 'most of the time.'"

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Turs out the US of A is no different!

[bogaboga]

...hearings held in secret and away from the public gaze, the person said that the tech companies hit by these demands are losing 'most of the time...

Can some one explain to me how this behaviour by our [democratic] government, is very very different as compared to similar action taken by "those regimes" to the east? I mean, I do not see the difference here!

Re:Turs out the US of A is no different!

[bigpat]

...hearings held in secret and away from the public gaze, the person said that the tech companies hit by these demands are losing 'most of the time...

Can some one explain to me how this behavior by our [democratic] government, is very very different as compared to similar action taken by "those regimes" to the east? I mean, I do not see the difference here!

We "Aspire" to be better... Americans aspire towards Liberty, Freedom of Speech, Free elections and when we fall short we are supposed to feel bad about it. For over two centuries we have been unsteadily moving towards our ideals. Belief in Liberty had to overcome the realities of slavery and then Jim Crow laws. Belief in Freedom of Speech is always under continuous assault by those with power to coerce. Our rights to privacy and freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures have come under increasing attack lately, but have always been at the mercy of the fears and threats of the day. Our right to bear arms to defend ourselves have steadily eroded in the past 30 or 40 years or so. Democracy is just as beholden to the Party bosses that manipulate local elections and local press with casual ease. And good old fashioned corruption is still a big problem in the US as it is everywhere else in the world... These things ebb and flow with the times.

What we are supposed to do as Americans is draw inspiration from the dreams of our founders for Life Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness and not give into the cynicism that this is 'just the way it is'

Re:Turs out the US of A is no different!

[kheldan]

OK I'll bite: If you're so clued-in and smarter than I am, then who do you suggest I vote for?

o Donald Trump, the racist, bigot, loudmouth, failed 'businessman', who will probably start WW3, and at any rate is alienating the leaders of other countries before he even gets into office? Who, by the way, was machoed out by a slender blue-eyed blonde woman (Megan Kelly) so badly that he refused to show up at a debate because she was moderating it? Yeah sure he'll handle World Politics so well now won't he?
o Hillary Clinton, who I wouldn't trust any farther than I could throw her?
o Bernie Sanders, just another old white dude, who sounds like he's going to take even more money out of my pocket to give to people who don't deserve it, and likewise tell me even more how I can live my life?
o Ted Cruz, the religious nutjob, who will probably start a Holy War, and will go out of his way to destroy the rights of women to decide what is and is not done with their own bodies?
o Add to this: They're all fucking liars, you can't trust a single thing any one of them says, and it'll just be some flavor of 'business as usual' regardless of which lying piece of crap gets elected?

If you haven't figured it out yet, don't like any of them, am sick and bloody well tired of voting for the 'least bad' candidate, seriously want a 'None of the Above' check-box on the ballot, and as a form of protest against the utter and complete cluster-fuck that American politics has become, I'll vote for some Libertarian nobody even heard of, so I can at least say "Hey, I didn't vote for {insert lying piece of crap's name here}, don't blame me for {whatever bullshit they're forcing on us this time}.

Now, then: Who do you think I should vote for, and why, Mister Genius???

Nobody running for president is qualified so far as I'm concerned. Throw 'em all out and get a totally different batch in here.

Re:I thought we liked open source?

[MightyMartian]

If an organization or individual wishes to license their code under an open source license, then that's great. But when someone is forced to hand over proprietary code to the government via secret tribunals, that's very very fucking bad.

No shit

[penguinoid]

It's becoming obvious that the government needs to be outright forbidden from doing just about anything except a few specific things, rather than merely not authorized. Just like there's hardly any difference between pointing a gun at someone and saying, "Wouldn't it be nice if I had more money?" as compared to saying "Your money or your life." -- nowadays there's very little difference between the government "asking" and the government demanding.

goofy priorities

[k6mfw]

Reading this along with the other article regarding FBI wants backdoor into Apple phones, I'm thinking law enforcement priorities getting skewed. Reminds me of back in the days when John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde were considered national threats when in reality they were just basic thugs that robbed banks. Larger criminals were the mob (which FBI did nothing about until Hoover died in 1970s) and a even more serious threat was the rise of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Re:Well that settles that:

[Locke2005]

The Trump campaign is using the movie "Idiocracy" as a how-to manual rather than a warning...

Re:I thought we liked open source?

[jedidiah]

No it isn't really.

At that point, corporations are only being forced to hand over what they already should have had to hand over to the US Library of Congress.

You're confusing the idea of "Open Source" and freeware.

Re:I thought we liked open source?

[TangoMargarine]

Except they're not handing it over to anybody except the government.

And then any modifications the government makes, nobody else sees either.

So no, not really like open source at all.