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Scientists Are Developing the World's Biggest Wind Turbine With 656-Ft. Long Blades (latimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes from an LATimes article: Efforts to increase wind power mean that turbine blades are getting bigger and bigger. But a new design in the works takes the idea to levels most people can barely imagine: Blades up to 656.2 feet long -- more than two football fields. Today's longest blades are 262.5 feet. The blades at Imperial County's Ocotillo wind farm, which sends electricity to San Diego, are 173.9 feet long. "We call it the extreme scale," Eric Loth, a University of Virginia professor of mechanical and aerospace engineering, said of the planned mega-blades. "There's nothing like it." The blades would look much different look from today's wind turbines. They wouldn't face the wind but would go downwind, aligning the blades to flow with the wind instead of fighting it. And instead of a single stiff blade, each blade would be broken into segments, allowing it to be more easily fabricated. In addition, the concept would allow the blades to "morph" -- spread out when the wind is blowing lightly to capture as much power as possible.

129 comments

  1. Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Max_W · · Score: 0

    Could we find a way to keep this wonderful planet surface beautiful? Dig down power cables, make generators inconspicuous. And leave airspace free to birds, manned and RC aircraft.

    1. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, it's called fusion and they're still working on it.

    2. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and fusion is only ten years away!

    3. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by slashping · · Score: 1

      We can paint the turbines green, and paint the hub like a flower head. Would that help ?

    4. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fusion is about 8 and a half minutes away.

    5. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally I find windmills much more attractive than smog but that's just me.

    6. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      . If you're complaining about birds dying then why don't you and your 11 kids disconnect from the grid and go live in a forest somewhere.

      Where they'll likely... eat birds. Better rethink your suggestion. ;)

    7. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

      I think wind farms are beautiful.

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    8. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Sounds like heatstroke talking. You're spending too much time in the sun.

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    9. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You could put them out to sea, but it costs more. Given the choice, I think I'll take turbines over large plants with cooling towers and chimneys etc.

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    10. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Teun · · Score: 1

      Or do both :), a pic of our local windfarm, with 53 meter blades these are presently among the largest:
      http://www.windparknoordoostpo...
      Obviously some people want them so far offshore you won't see them from the beaches but with a 200 m. tip hight that's quite an added expense.

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    11. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

      Could we find a way to keep this wonderful planet surface beautiful? Dig down power cables, make generators inconspicuous. And leave airspace free to birds, manned and RC aircraft.

      It is hard to make a coal-fired generating plant inconspicuous. They are typically a square mile or two of blackened earth. And the garbage they spew into the air. . . Do you really want them to 'make it inconspicuous', or would you rather be able to see you major source of particulates, heavy metals, radioactive particulates (yes, on average, more than nuclear)?

      In California, the wind-farms are primarily in the desert – usually in a pass between a couple of mountains. That is, they are far away, and no one ever sees them unless they drive through the desert to Vegas or whatever. Even then, it's just briefly.

      Power-lines are often buried already. It's the legacy ones that remain—Replacement costs money. Those 4 kV trunk lines? They are cut through forests and such, and are kept above ground for maintenance and security purposes.

      And as for birds. . . Well then:
      * Domesticated cats kill more birds than wind turbines.
      * Air pollution from coal-fired power plants kills more birds than wind turbines.
      * Power-lines, especially those away from cities, and on moonless nights, kill far more birds than do wind turbines. Why is this issue of bird being brought up about a century too late?
      * Once we stopped spraying DDT along the sides of roads, the wildlife came back. I see hawks in my urban neighborhood and along the interstates frequently now. In the 1970's, I never did.
      * Oh, pigeon-poop buildup occasionally causes a short and explodes a transformer, sometimes killing some wildlife in the process.
      * Last, skyscrapers kill tons of birds. Every morning at 5:00 am, every skyscraper has someone pick up the dead birds before people arrive for work. At night, they are dark. Or would you rather that they keep the lights on (using more electricity) 24/7?

    12. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Sir+Holo · · Score: 2

      The Sun has been using it for some years now...

    13. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Or do both :), a pic of our local windfarm, with 53 meter blades these are presently among the largest:

      http://www.windparknoordoostpo...

      Oh no. Oh no, no, no.

      Your wind park looks to be in the Netherlands, where they've been a fixture for centuries. But over here, in America (i.e. USA), we absolutely cannot have the plebs capable of generating their own electricity, much less have them use corners between farm-fields to generate excess electricity!!!

      That would completely disrupt the State-sponsored monopoly that the dinosaur-burning power plants currently enjoy. It would be chaos. Cats marrying dogs. People wearing hats on their feet. This energy independence must be stopped at all costs!

    14. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Max_W · · Score: 1

      Would you agree that they put it in the area where you live? To hear constant "chug, chug, chug,.." noise, to have a sharp fast shadow moving endlessly over the yard, and birds falling periodically from the sky.

      Certainly not, it is better to construct them where other people live, who cannot to afford lawyers for fend them off. Instead of building gigantic ugly structures, it would be better to limit the size of a private house and a private car to sane figures, to produce energy by saving it.

    15. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Power-lines are often buried already. It's the legacy ones that remainâ"Replacement costs money. Those 4 kV trunk lines? They are cut through forests and such, and are kept above ground for maintenance and security purposes.
      I doubt it makes sense to burry a 1.1MV power line.

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    16. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Teun · · Score: 1

      Fixture for centuries indeed :)

      The land to the right (=east) is reclaimed since 1943, a little south is the (very religious) historic island of Urk where some people complained this would irreparably damage the view of their village...
      The life expectancy of windmills is 25 years.

      I just read in a local paper that now the farm is ready people start to appreciate the advantages.

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    17. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you ever seen a big modern wind turbine? They spin at such low RPM that it takes multiple seconds per rotation. It makes as much sound as a stationary object of the same size, and kills birds at the same rate. Also, they are never built anywhere near people's "yards" because real estate that could be used for habitation is expensive, and buildings interfere with the wind. They're off shore, or otherwise in the middle of nowhere with no obstruction. Aesthetically, they are rather prettier than a coal power plant.

    18. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      uh...what is "sane figures"? 2000 sqft? 1000 sqft? 100 sqft? How about those in power? Do they also get limited to the same amount of space? Those who already have houses above "Sane Figures"? Shall we evict them and force everyone to live in a concrete apartment structure? "Sane Figures" sounds good until you flesh out the details--then it's just another tyranny by progressives.

    19. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't harness the wind underground.

    20. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      How do you get ten years? Depending on your distance from ground zero it's anything from microseconds to seconds away, it never even gets as high as minutes.

    21. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the go "slow" RPM.
      So, how fast goes the tip of that 656ft long blade? Is it really ... slow? And dont forget, that it only ONE blade ... add one more for the lenght ...

    22. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      thats seems like a waste of perfectly good shoreline to me.

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    23. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Power-lines are often buried already. It's the legacy ones that remainâ"Replacement costs money. Those 4 kV trunk lines? They are cut through forests and such, and are kept above ground for maintenance and security purposes.
      I doubt it makes sense to burry a 1.1MV power line.

      Correct. Just space them several meters apart, high in the air, and use gigantic ceramic isolation-mounts of the lines to the gigantic long-distance power-grid structures cutting through the desert or forest.

      FUN FACT: Maintenance or repair on such high-voltage lines is often done while they ate live. Yes, really. A helicopter brings up the linemen, who are careful to stay only an a single, particular line that they're inspecting, fixing, or whatever. (A flying helicopter is not grounded, and is thus at no risk of being part of a conductive path to ground.) Still, in the 100's kV or MV ranges, there is atmospheric loss. Workers say it feels a bit tingly to work on such lines.

    24. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Fixture for centuries indeed :)

      Ugh. I meant the windmills used for centuries to turn grain-grinding stones.

      You knew that though, didn't you? :-)

    25. Re: Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You mean wind turbines? I wouldn't have any problem with it because the minimum allowed distances to residential buildings are such that the noise from the street in front of my house overpowers any possible noise from a remote turbine.

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    26. Re:Powerlines, chimneys, now big wind turbines by Teun · · Score: 1

      Sure I understood your reference.
      I go one up, I bet that by the time these types of wind mills are getting obsolete some will ask for protection as monuments :)

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  2. So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back-converted units are funny.

    1. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Rob+Bos · · Score: 1

      As a Canadian, we see this shit all the time. "Now add 454g of flour" .. that number is WAY too specific. Yep, 1 pound. A coke is 591ml or 355ml, a cup is 240ml .. argh.

      Payback's a bitch. :)

    2. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The UJW (units justice warrior) strikes again.

    3. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Teun · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I was quite intrigued by the 0.2 ft accuracy and also did the calculation
      What a waste of resources to back-convert.

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    4. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Metrication is not universally applied. Where something, like honey, used to come in a pound jar it now comes in a 454g jar, not a 500g one. But something like milk that used to come in pints (1 british pint = 568ml), well now it comes in 500ml. So just another excuse to shaft the customer.

    5. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

      It is ironic, that I learnt the use of metric measurements from an American text book!

      It is about time that the USA started using standard units of measurement, and dropped the use of Imperial measurements like feet & pounds.

      Even Great Britain has gone over to metric, and no longer officially use the Imperial system of measurements.

    6. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that kind of dedication to "Imperial entanglements" is admirable, it wouldn't have taken much for them to put the alternative metric units in parentheses, especially when it's obvious that's what the original units were.

    7. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      Really? So, how fast does a person drive in GB? 60 MPH or 90 KPH? And, what is the distance between London and Manchester? 208 miles or 334 KM?

      Maybe GB has replaced all the road signs, but AFAIK they haven't. And if they haven't, they have not yet converted to metric. They may use metric in many situations (as we do in the US), but they haven't fully converted like Canada did in the '70s.

      Also, remember, land in the US (especially in the Midwest) is broken into 1 mile grids... Won't it be fun when we do convert, and the grid will then be a 1.6 KM grid. Or farmers, rather than farming 1000 acres, will be farming 404 hectares.

      Oh, what fun that sounds like. And the cost to convert: we need to spend all that budget surplus on something, don't we?

      Sometimes, it doesn't make sense to do something just because everyone else does. At least, that's the lesson my mother taught me in my youth. The lesson involved all my friends base jumping from a bridge, from what I recall...

    8. Re:So, 200m vs the longest of today at 80m long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate when recipes say to add 1pound (500g). That's not even close. You could have at least rounded to 450

  3. Cue the morons by slashmydots · · Score: 5, Funny

    But a turbine that big will steal all the wind power then make the Earth stop spinning while also propelling it further out into a wider orbit and we'll all freeze and die!

    1. Re:Cue the morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as butterflies keep flapping those wings we won't run out of wind.

    2. Re:Cue the morons by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Who, exactly, is saying this? Why is this +4 Insightful? It's some idiocy made up as a laughable strawman argument and it's +4 Insightful?

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    3. Re:Cue the morons by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      It won't do that, but I'm pretty sure there's some environment impact to massive wind farms. It probably does change wind patterns to some extent. It might even impact the local climate somewhat.

      We'll probably find these impacts as more development comes in.

      Of course, this is not a reason to stop. Our current fossil burning also impacts things.

    4. Re:Cue the morons by kimvette · · Score: 1

      That's the modern Trumpublican thinking!

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    5. Re:Cue the morons by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      Who, exactly, is saying this? You are.
      Why is this +4 Insightful? Heaven knows.
      It's some idiocy made up as a laughable strawman argument--- Hey, don't talk about yourself that way.

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    6. Re:Cue the morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Having worked on several planning consultations for wind farms, I have come across the following:

      1) OH NO! It will reduce the amount of wind!
      2) OH NO! It will increase the amount of wind!
      3) OH NO! It will scare off birds!
      4) OH NO! It will attract off birds!
      5) OH NO! It will drive down property prices!
      6) OH NO! It will drive up property prices!
      7) OH NO! It will drive people out of the area!
      8) OH NO! It will attract eco-warriors and hippies to the area!
      9) OH NO! It will drive off tourists!
      10) OH NO! The roads will be clogged with tourists stopping to take pictures!

      There are some genuine issues with wind power (cost w/o subsidy, effect on wildlife, noise and visual pollution) that we do our best to ameliorate in a proactive and constructive manner, but every time you hold a public consultation you'll get at least one sadly misinformed person spouting some unsubstantiated or plainly ridiculous gibberish. The trick is to get two of them of opposite views to discuss it between themselves whilst everyone else deals with the real issues.

    7. Re:Cue the morons by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Oh no! These big turbines will attract giant crazy spaniards on donkeys, armed with lances...

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    8. Re:Cue the morons by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

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    9. Re:Cue the morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, if it cools the planet, I am all for it.
      Damned global warming!

    10. Re:Cue the morons by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Who, exactly, is saying this? Why is this +4 Insightful? It's some idiocy made up as a laughable strawman argument and it's +4 Insightful?

      It's currently rated +1 "Funny", which was the intention. If I hadn't already posted, I would have modded it up as "Funny", too.

      Tune your BS- and sarcasm-meters. This isn't FARK, but "Funny" posts can be quite useful. The poster was mocking the paid shills that come in and mass-post when topics like this come up.

      FARK's open mocking of Trolls and Shills has significantly reduced their numbers there... unless you click on the "Politics" tab. That is, they are stuck in the corner with their ilk.

    11. Re:Cue the morons by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      But we need to prepare for when the sun expands later in it's life so that the Earth isn't burnt to a crisp!

    12. Re:Cue the morons by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The big problem with large bladed wind turbines is wing tip velocity and the subsequent noise. So the limit is that and nothing else and most certainly not appearance. So the trick is large blade but at a slow rotation. This is why there is a focus on engineering better vertical wind turbines rather that rather than large bladed horizontal axis wind turbines. The vertical wind turbines also have a huge advantage of having the generator at ground level, as well as being able to be placed much closer together and are not a hazard to bird life.

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    13. Re:Cue the morons by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      We don't read that site, and aren't required to. This is a different site with different posters. At least you aren't using reddit insider slang without explaining what it means.

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    14. Re:Cue the morons by fisted · · Score: 1

      It seems like a moron was successfully cued as the subject said.

      Take this whoooosh from me and treat it with care.

  4. If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    You could put this on the Eiffel Tower, but it's kind of short. The Eiffel Tower is 1,063 ft tall, the towers they're planning for this are 1,574 ft.

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    1. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      this is a nerd site. please use non-stupid units.

    2. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      this is a nerd site. please use non-stupid units.

      The Eiffel Tower is 189 smoots tall, the towers they're planning for this are 282 smoots.

    3. Re: If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Eiffel Tower is 2.00e+37 Planck lengths, the proposed tower is 2.97e+37 Planck lengths.

    4. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Sorry. The Eiffel Tower is 3.543 football fields tall, the tower for the wind turbine is 5.246 football fields tall.

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    5. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Should be a great view from the top if you don't mind the noise, vibrations, etc. You could build an amusement park around the tower. Zip lines, for-fee hiking trails up to the top, some ski runs etc.

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    6. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Considering that the thing has to be able to turn through at least 180 degrees (but more likely 360) to face the wind, hanging anything from it at an angle -- like zip lines or ski slopes -- seems like a bad idea unless you intend for the blades to hit it.

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    7. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      How would you build a zip line from the top of a windmill tower and still allow the windmill to rotate into the wind?

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    8. Re: If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most awesome zip line.

    9. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by slashping · · Score: 2

      You would build it from one blade to the other.

    10. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      The new blades will be one furlong in length. So now I'm wondering how much electricity they plan to produce in a fortnight.

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    11. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is this, a football field for ants?

    12. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> The Eiffel Tower is 1,063 ft tall
      No. The Eiffel tower is 324m high.

    13. Re: If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American football or international football?

    14. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 1

      Well, actually the size of a football field is not standardized. It has a min and max length.

      PS I'm talking about real football of course

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    15. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by mikael · · Score: 1

      How about KLOC's per kilogram?

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    16. Re:If you put this on the Eiffel Tower by mikael · · Score: 1

      Probably a googleplex of ergs

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  5. Crowd-sourced wind energy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Make everyone wear beanies with propellers on top. Not only will it generate a lot of energy, but everyone will be too busy laughing at one another to start wars.

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    1. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by pushing-robot · · Score: 2

      If history has taught me anything it's that looking silly is no hindrance to starting wars.

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    2. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      In fact, it's a reason to start one. You fuckers are wearing your caps the wrong way around... jihad time.

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    3. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, so you've seen the uniforms of the Swiss Guard.

    4. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Ah, so you've seen the uniforms of the Swiss Guard.

      Technically, those aren't uniforms, they're cosplay.

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    5. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any other reason to wear a uniform?

    6. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Teun · · Score: 1

      You'll, in a regular war, notice the difference once POW and you can claim protection under the Geneva rules.

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    7. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Hussars looked pretty silly. I guess they wanted to be seen from far-away when approaching.

      And the British Re-coats. Standing in lines. And both sides have muskets... Silly silly silly. Stop that right now.

    8. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Copy Edit: RED-coats

    9. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually at that time battle fields where covered with smoke so thick, you could not see a Redcoat 20 yards away.
      However Napoleon showed: stealth/hiding/crawling pays off.

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    10. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Actually at that time battle fields where covered with smoke so thick, you could not see a Redcoat 20 yards away.
      However Napoleon showed: stealth/hiding/crawling pays off.

      Wasn't the color RED chosen to hide any bleeding from fellow soldiers in the line? Y'know, that sight could be a bit demoralizing. Perhaps this (possibly apocryphal?) explanation could carry some weight?

      And Napoleon, the cannoneer who somehow rose to be Emperor –twice. I hadn't heard of his tactics outside of barrage. I don't disbelieve it, as those are good tactics, but have never heard of them.

      Napoleon DID take to canning food by putting boiling soup into empty wine bottles, then sealing them with wax. That helped his long-distance campaigns. An army travels on its stomach.

    11. Re:Crowd-sourced wind energy by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the color RED chosen to hide any bleeding from fellow soldiers in the line?
      Every country/king had different colours, e.g. Netherlands was Orange and Preusen/Prussia Blue.

      I hadn't heard of his tactics outside of barrage.
      He was the first ordering the soldiers to forget "heroics" and lay down flat on the stomach on the ground while fighting.

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  6. Someday, somewhere by tomhath · · Score: 1

    If the technology works, Loth wants to avoid putting the big-blade facilities on land. Instead they would be put offshore — some 20 to 25 miles from the coast....

    Even if the titanic turbines pass the subscale modeling tests in 2019, Loth said it would take "probably 10, 15 years" before the first facility would be up and running.

    It's at least 15 years away and they know they'll never get approval to build them on land. But still a reasonable approach where the conditions are right. It's almost like they're trying to find a workable and cost effective solution, unlike other alternatives that depend on subsidies.

    1. Re:Someday, somewhere by burni2 · · Score: 1

      Putting a wind turbine offshore is a huge undertaking and maintaining it is also not effortless.

    2. Re:Someday, somewhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putting up a 1500 ft high wind tower will be a huge undertaking no matter where it's built.

    3. Re:Someday, somewhere by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily - they could put it on an island.

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    4. Re:Someday, somewhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We call that job creation

    5. Re: Someday, somewhere by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      they know they'll never get approval to build them on land

      I see you've never been out to West Texas.

    6. Re:Someday, somewhere by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      On land wind turbines make not much sense, except you are in a country with no coast or at a special windy position.

      Considering the size of those things they would be a problem for air traffic, to.

      And bottom line, considering how big the tower is on which the turbines need to be placed, I wonder if that energy wise and money wise makes any sense. But well, usually with "size" the energy/money cost-benefit relation becomes better.

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  7. Audubon by tgibson · · Score: 1

    I just cringe, thinking of all of the Cesnas and Pipers that will be taken out when they try to land on this thing.

    1. Re:Audubon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you catch the Twitter feud between Obama and the Audubon Society?

      Obama vs Audubon Twitter Feud

    2. Re:Audubon by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite. I know some kinda dodgy private pilots, but nobody even remotely insane enough to attempt to land on a rotating blade, no matter how long or flat.

      Who the hell are you hanging out with?

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    3. Re:Audubon by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      OK, I'll bite. I know some kinda dodgy private pilots, but nobody even remotely insane enough to attempt to land on a rotating blade, no matter how long or flat.

      Who the hell are you hanging out with?

      Hopefully with others who practice less-insane hobbies, like skydivers, who would jump out of that plane & quick-deploy before the dodgy pilot attempted this.

      (I used to skydive.)

  8. Fart power... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we all had some way to collect and store all the methane from farts, we'd be all set for fueling powerplants.

    1. Re:Fart power... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      If we all had some way to collect and store all the methane from farts, we'd be all set for fueling powerplants.

      This is being done adjacent to garbage dumps all over the place. It's a good thing.

      Historically, once a garbage dump was "full", it would be capped with a layer of soil, but not before installing several vent-stacks to let the methane out, keeping the dump from exploding. Why it is only now that we've realized that we can capture and use that methane (CNG), I have no idea.

      In the USA's mid-west, some local "ski slopes" are capped-off garbage dumps. Why? They're the tallest hills around.

  9. The Empire is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blades up to 200 meters long [irrelevant comparison omitted, it's really hard to imagine two vertical football fields on top of each other]. Today's longest blades are 80 meters. The blades at Imperial County's Ocotillo wind farm, which sends electricity to San Diego, are 53 meters long.

    Isn't it much nicer like this? Also, don't add precision when converting units.

    1. Re:The Empire is dead by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Americans are more familiar with feet, so it makes sense to convert them. The problem is converting them too precisely. The blades are rarely going to be within 3cm of those lengths. Even fibre glass blades will expand a little due to temperature changes.

      650ft and 260ft would have been sensible approximations.

      As for a more sensible comparison; the blades would rise above the Empire State building's observation deck. Much easier to visualise since people have a general idea of how tall famous skyscrapers are.

    2. Re:The Empire is dead by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Well, 200m is one furlong. I'll leave it to you to make some other comparison to a fortnight.

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    3. Re:The Empire is dead by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      That would be 0.00000000000055 light-fortnights, of course.

    4. Re:The Empire is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, 200m is one furlong. I'll leave it to you to make some other comparison to a fortnight.

      A furlong is roughly 201.16m, actually.

  10. not before we get rid of the sharks.... by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    The project raises concern among bird lovers, who have long decried the number of birds and bats killed by wind turbines. The proposition of humongous facilities makes conservation groups nervous.

    "The higher you go, you start potentially impacting more migratory birds that otherwise would have flown over the tops of [smaller] turbines," said Michael Parr, vice president and chief conservation officer for the American Bird Conservancy.

    Researchers acknowledge the anxiety over how 656.2-foot blades â" officially called Segmented Ultralight Morphing Rotors â" would affect the environment.

    If the technology works, Loth wants to avoid putting the big-blade facilities on land. Instead they would be put offshore â" some 20 to 25 miles from the coast.

    "I really want to focus on going far enough offshore that we're away from the migratory patterns of the birds," Loth said.

    But Parr said an offshore wind farm might not be an improvement.

    "The problem with offshore turbines is that it's virtually impossible to know and track over time what impact they're having [on bird deaths] because any birds that get struck will fall directly into the ocean and be washed away by the currents or get eaten by sharks," he said.

    - seriously...

    I wonder if these bird lovers ever considered what coal and diesel power plant pollution does to birds, migratory or otherwise? How many birds die, I wonder, because of the pollution that is spewed into the atmosphere by the billions of tons around the world?

    This turbine is a fine concept I think, though I think nuclear is the way to go of-course, why not build more wind turbines, especially in the oceans. Do it if it works. The birds will learn to avoid the turbine blades but they definitely cannot do much about the dirty air that we produce.

    1. Re:not before we get rid of the sharks.... by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course, but then the whales will run smack into them. It's lose lose.

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  11. Environmental concerns by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    Regarding dangers to wildlife, will dragons be safe from it?

  12. Not in my back yard! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :-)

  13. I will start at the other end .. by burni2 · · Score: 1

    That you can fly an RC-Aircraft or a manned aircraft made out of fiber compound, aluminium is only possible because of putting mineral resources & energy to work.

    All the things you wear all the things you use are made with energy because for example aluminium processing takes huge amounts of energy.

    Making of all kinds of plastic takes huge processing plants - that are lit up 24/7 for safety.

    That you can have fun with your RC-Aircraft is the very product of a very long and sophisticated stream of engineered processes.

    Your RC-Aircraft is a by-product of these engineered processes.

    And the time your vision comes true - in 50-70 yrs. - many people will be "unemployed".

    And we don't have the warp drive to shoot all people into the sky.

    But we have some spare nukes, that could solve the problem for once and for all.

  14. Go Away this is news for N.E.R.D.S. by burni2 · · Score: 1

    And being a N.E.R.D. means that the computer NERDS have a CRAY2 in their Backyard and that mech. NERDS have a wind turbine in their back yard! ;)

  15. Measurements in imperial/US rather than metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want to bet they "scientist" designed this in metric. What is 0.2 of a foot?

    1. Re:Measurements in imperial/US rather than metric. by flyingfsck · · Score: 2

      What is 0.2 of a foot? A toe of course.

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  16. Not two Canadian football fields! by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    But not longer than two Canadian football fields!

  17. That's not a wind turbine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's a reverse propeller. If you want to apply torque to generate flow then you use a propeller, which has shallow blades, but if you want to capture flow and turn it into torque then you use a turbine, which has deep blades.

    1. Re:That's not a wind turbine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shallow and deep are relative terms.
      In terms of momentum an airplane prop "exhausts" the flow "rearward" along its axis of rotation, a "flow axis" (ie looks like a propeller) wind turbine, perpendicular to the axis.
      Darrieus, Savonius, cyclogyro are examples of cross-axis turbines.
      Some cross-axis turbines have advantages.

    2. Re:That's not a wind turbine by Bartles · · Score: 1

      No they're exactly the same thing, they just have different operating environments. Different airspeed. Wings are shaped differently to enhance efficiency at different airspeeds.

  18. But the elephant in the room is by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

    who will be the first BASE jumper to die jumping from the tower and how many days after its built will that take place?

    1. Re:But the elephant in the room is by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      who will be the first BASE jumper to die jumping from the tower and how many days after its built will that take place?

      I will not bet against you on this.

      Ah, but how about a flying-suit crazy attempting to buzz close to one, between the slowly rotating blades? Wind farms are built in valleys between mountains, so this is a realistic scenario. Also realistic is that the flying-suit guy will not understand the flow of compressible fluids (he'll hit a low-pressure zone on one side or the other – one of the three blade-following zones that spirals).

  19. Bigger is better! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always knew it!

  20. Heck with killing bats and small birds.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let go for killing eagles, hawks and small aircraft...

  21. American football fields are 360'x160' by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    The end zones are in bounds and part of the playing field.

  22. 656.2 feet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's 2.0000976e+08 micrometers. Sounds even more impressive.

  23. Have people completely lost the ability to... by Bartles · · Score: 1

    ...describe a physical object?

    They wouldn't face the wind but would go downwind, aligning the blades to flow with the wind instead of fighting it.

    What the fuck does that mean? How does a blade "flow"? It is a rigid object. It sits in the wind flow. And if a wind turbine fights the wind, then it isn't really a turbine, is it? A blade has a length, width, and thickness. Which is aligned with the wind? Is the windflow axially aligned or radially aligned? What is aligned? If a typical wind turbine faces the wind, and you rotate it 180 degrees is it now facing downwind? No. It is still facing the wind, because the blades are shaped to only move in one direction in a windflow. You have just put the blades on the other side of the mast and generator house. Go back to reporting on firearms, you do a better job with that.

    1. Re:Have people completely lost the ability to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume they are trying to describe a downstream turbine in layman's terms, basically facing into the wind an upstream turbine is nose cone (optional) blades then a nacelle housing the generator/alternator. A downstream unit would again facing into the wind be the nacelle housing the generator/alternator, then the blades and optionally a tail cone.

      On the industrial scale models, generally there is a motor to position the blade into the wind that is controlled by an anemometer / window direction gauge mounted onto the nacelle. Downstream turbines do not necessarily need the motor to position them as they are self-orienting due to the blades generating drag when off-axis.

      The above is assuming you are talking only about HAWT.

  24. Re: fusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no, fusion's about two or three years ago.

  25. At that extreme length, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    wouldn't wind shear be a really big concern?

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  26. Not to be a pedantic asshole but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when is /. gonna learn the difference between scientist and engineer?

  27. Article with picture by cowdung · · Score: 2

    This article has a diagram of the proposed design:

    http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

  28. You're hallucinating. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're remembering Windy Miller in Trumpton. That wasn't a documentary about wind turbines. Cut out the acid and go cold turkey now.

  29. Oh, boy, a giant new bird-shredder going on-line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many dead birds that thing will produce every year. One of the worst things about Liberals is the fact that they want to be selective about enforcing laws, letting their wind-turbine friends accumulate hundreds of kills a year in some places and then suing a nuke plant for a single dead owl found on the property whose death was apparently in no way connected to operation of the plant. They don't really CARE about the birds, they just want to use them as an excuse some of the time...

  30. lazy today: how many meters? by Gunstick · · Score: 1

    slashdot should have an automated Imperial to ISO converter...

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