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Workers In China, India, USA Believe AI and Robots Will Replace Them (qz.com)
An anonymous reader cites a Quartz article: Chinese workers have seen the future, and it involves artificial intelligence, robots, and other forms of automation replacing them, at least for repetitive tasks. That's how workers responded to interviews about the future of work conducted in 13 countries by the ADP Research Institute, part of the payroll systems company ADP. In contrast to China, a minority of workers in Germany think machines will take over repetitive tasks in the future. Workers in Chile, Singapore, the United Kingdom, and France among other countries agree. But American workers and those in India are inclined to see things the Chinese way; nearly two-thirds of those polled said they thought the machines were coming for repetitive work.
Humanity is in a system with an only bias, to fit the economic model.
Robots are going to replace and AI for services will slice huge swaths of the labor force into oblivion.
My optimistic assumption, even financial planners are even more doomed in 2016/2017 than programmers FYI.
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The global elite have already transferred most of the assets upwards. The next step is automation and separation, and they will simply leave the rest of us to rot.
I don't think the danger is immediate but it definitely is on the horizon. Soon, human beings will be the first living organism to cause self-obsolescence. Human beings will make themselves redundant.
The robots will take over, but they won't kill us physically. They will kill us in our economy as poor and middle class lose jobs and the managers and CEO's find ways to raise production and lower human costs. The fact robots can work tirelessly for cheap is very attractive. But the fact nobody is looking at the negatives of replacing so many jobs is frightening.
A recently released poll of earthlings indicates those living in China, The Netherlands, India, and America have a firmer fundamental grasp of the obvious than the Germans and Chileans.
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Seriously. It's already happening. It's well documented that Foxconn is only keeping their employees under pressure from the Chinese gov't to avoid causing social unrest. The 1% don't need us to buy their stuff when they've got robots to make it, Robots to defend it and then a very, very, very small class of servant to attend to their health needs and entertain them. The other 95% (98?) of the population is utterly superfluous. You can do just fine selling 100 computers for $2000 each instead of 1000 for $200. Apple's doing it, and they're the most profitable company in human history.
Oh, and before everybody starts going on about "There'll be all these new jobs in the Server Sector" no, there won't. If nobody has any money nobody will be able to hire people. That doesn't phase the 1%. Henry Ford only thought about this crap because there were limits to his global reach and ability to automate and obtain the wealth he wanted. That's not true anymore.
And as for the Industrial Revolution let's not forget there was 70 years of mass unemployment and misery. The Luddites who lost jobs never say employment again. Their Children didn't either. It wasn't until their grandchildren that we started seeing the new economy and by then the Luddites were dead and buried. Plus a lot of that was solved by shipping people overseas, but there really isn't an 'overseas' anymore. We've already colonized the new world.
Basically we're either going to redistribute the wealth of the machines or enter a new Dark Ages. Everybody sorta forgets the human race spent 1200 years with everyone but the 1% and their servants living like shit.
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Robots are superior to humans in any simple, repetitive task such as playing what used to be the most intellectual of games.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Instead of paying $100k for college just spend it on buying shares in the robot factories, or ask your government to tax their profits and give you shares. Get your college education for free online.
Forcing companies to hire humans is a form of taxation. So by allowing companies to use robots, you get the same benefit and the human with basic income gets to sleep all day or pursue other tuff while still getting paid just for existing. It's a win-win.
Because I program automation system, and one thing I do know is that Executives are so fucking fickle that they can not make a decision to save their own life. No A.I. on the planet will be able to handle an Executive or CEO.
CEO:"I do not like this system there are black bars on the screen."
A.I.: "you demanded we use a 16:10 projector on a 16:9 screen, you even used executive override protocol even though we told you they were incompatible and would have black bars"
CEO:" make it work without black bars"
A.I.: " we will have to change the screen or the projector, what do you prefer"
CEO:" Use what I wanted, make it work"
A.I.:"......... Illogical...... Murder...... Kill.... Destroy......."
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
I am automating logistics, shipping, retail, supply chain. Cashiers are not that difficult to replace completely, it is a case by case basis, but basically 80% can be automated away in just a few years.
You can't handle the truth.
So you handed over your wealth to the global elite for some temporary gains and now you're mad about it?
Robots don't commit suicide, don't steal, don't expect sick leave or vacation, and don't leak information about the upcoming iShiny.
The system as we know it currently ("American Dream Failure") will fail.
Wasn't there a company holding back total automation because of fear of social unrest?
Won't happen in the long run since the human robots on top need to make positive numbers or get replaced by silicon colleagues.
Looks like the calamities seen from "ideas in peoples heads with weapons" right now causing streams of refugees going north in larger numbers on an area way eastern of the US mainland with abuses and great suffering may be continuing in another flavor closer:
Can't pay your mortgage, please vacate this property! Unluckily as things are, there are weapons on this property....
Interesting times, for sure...
GP here. I am in the middle class. The real middle class, not the $45K household income middle class, but the $120K household income middle class. I have retirement money and a home with decent equity and a sizable liquid bank account. This isn't about me. No man is an island.
It's like everyone thinks they can just build their house on the sand by the beach and ignore the rising tide. I feel like I am taking crazy pills here. We live in a consumer economy, but we are hemorrhaging consumers. Everyone on here acts like we don't need the poor because they have iPhones and flat screens. Well, if the poor stop buying that shit, how the fuck will the economy continue? The poor make up something like 40% of this country. You should be thanking your lucky stars that they are stupid enough to keep consuming goods, because when they stop we're all fucked.
How do you think this will end? The rich don't need an economy when they control all the assets anyway. When the solders don't have consciences because they are robots, it's over. Goodbye. Doneski.
The ultra-rich will control everything (even more than they do now), and the mildly rich will know their place. Some robots and some slaves and serfs will do just fine for any minor labor needs. The rest of us will be a nuisance.
Good job WYSIWYG and Postscript laser printers never replaced printshop workers who assemble copper plate letters onto rotating print drums and strip them off afterwards.
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that's what the Dark Ages were. 1200 years of zero progress until a plague came along and killed off enough of the ruling class to cause some social disruption and let things get moving again.
Think of it this way. Let's say you're actually a member of the 1%. You have the best civilization has to offer. Do you want things to change? Do you want new tech to disrupt your power? No, of course not. You get really conservative, really fast when you're the king. Nothing changes, nothing improves because you won't let it. Because any change risks everything you have, and you have everything. That's the Dark Ages in a nut shell. And there's not a damned reason why we couldn't just go right back into that.
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An AI that can beat the human champion at the Go game (https://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=alphago) is capable of learning a task of unlimited complexity. The only limitation will be the difficulty of training the AI. Given enough training time, there is no job that can't be replaced.
"He took a duck in the face at 250 knots." -- William Gibson, Pattern Recognition
No, no. Not "replaced"; There will be a reduction in work force. And you can go retrain yourself, at your own cost. sucks to be you H1B genius.
And don't squawk when you crush, puncture, or place close to a flame.
They also don't operate outside of their job description. A robot that could 100% replace me when I worked in fast food wouldn't look like a car factory robot or even Johnny Five, it'd look like Commander Data.
You wouldn't expect a burger flipper to ever need to climb a ladder, but guess what...
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
EU politicians have the naive (or racist?) idea that in the future, China will produce goods and western countries will design them.
EU workers are not stupid and understood that China also want to do the design. Hence their fate is to be replaced not by a machine, but by a Chineese worker designing machine-made products.
DARPA Robots are full 2.1D autonomous. Cars have far less degrees of liberty and their "environment" is heavily subsidized.
Why are drones (3D evolution) and electric train (1.xD evolution) easy to build?
Well in the case of drones makers don't care about limiting the movements so rules of feedbacks are easy. In case of train, it is even easier.
It is all about the size of the decision tree and the number of input(sensors)/output(effectors) that are coupled you need to control. There probably is a metric to give you the domain of "accessible" low hanging fruits of automation that can be set according to the domain.
General purpose automates are at best expensive, at worst a scam (see the mechanical Türk).
One way to make bots efficient is to specialize them. Hence the Jacquart mecanic computer that created the industrial revolution of the XIXth and set the workers on fights and created the conditions for WWI.
I guess no one saw the problem of efficiency still exists even with infinite R&D budget (thanks the FED and the QE, free K-PEX).
The problem of robots is by requiring quite a lot of investment for their deployment they set an unfair competition between people being backed up by capital and innovative self made man without capital. But it has nothing to do with the robots. It is all about the unfair access to investment/capital and letting the one having the money makes the rules.
That was the reason to be of the Luddites.
The first sensible post I've seen in this thread.
My gosh, good thing they did. That's ridiculous to have to do that.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
You wouldn't expect a burger flipper to ever need to climb a ladder, but guess what...
Right, so each geographic area will still need one human employee per fast-food chain. Instead of a whole crew of humans at each location.
It doesn't sound like you really wrapped your head around the math needed here.
I don't think you realize how versatile even a low-paid human is.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
I don't think you realize how little versatility is actually required for those jobs, or how versatile software can be.
The example above of climbing ladders, that doesn't happen very often if the store is designed not to need ladders.
There is not much about a fast food order that is different than a factory production line. Currently, it would require the same sort of expensive equipment and so doesn't happen. Humans are cheaper. That is their only advantage for 99% of the job.
You would be surprised how often I've climbed ladders, neatly stacked condiments in the lobby, driven to the local grocery store to deal with inventory shortcomings,
and cleaned shit out of urinals during my employment in fast food.
Factories are not open to the public like fast food is. If you don't see what a difference that makes then I suggest you visit the bathroom of a highly-visited public beach and admire your reflection in the non-existent mirror.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this when it's just not going to happen. There is no such thing as 'AI', there are just cheesy 'expert systems' that mimick intelligence for a very limited subject. There are simply too many things that humans need to do that you can't make a machine to do, and there are too many things that humans won't accept a non-human to do. Also you want to invoke World War 3? Put hundreds of millions of people out of work worldwide. There WILL be war. But it's all good: Because it's not going to happen anyway. Everyone is spreading FUD on this subject just like they're doing with self-driving cars. None of this technology is anywhere NEAR the point where people are being led to believe it is. Rest assured that you'll all live out the rest of your lives without having to worry about some robot taking your job.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Ladder climbing was multiple times daily. Think about what it takes to clean a lobby and how tall windows can be. Also think about how crappy the battery life of your smartphone is and the power cable plugged into a robot arm. Just think.
Robotics is nowhere near where TV led you to believe and your lack of appreciation of what goes in to running a public-facing business is, frankly, frightening... assuming you're a voter.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
That's because the store is designed with human workers in mind. Of course you have to use ladders.
You don't think robots can stack neatly, or drive to the store and make purchases, that is where you just aren't even trying to picture it.
Try a low-maintenance restroom sometime.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Just make sure the ladder climber is a contractor, so you don't have to pay any benefits.
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You sound like you're in an advanced state of denial. Keep on thinking that, right up until they roll in the self-cleaning windows, etc.
Here's my vision of the Wal-Mart of the future: the container freight ship comes in from China. Robotic cranes unload the containers onto railroad cars, which ship to rail fraight terminals. The containers are then loaded onto tractor-trailers and drive themselves to your local neighborhood Wal-Mart, where they back themselves up to bays behind the and slot themselves directly into the shopping aisles, at which point the containers are automatically opened. For more elaborate display zones, self-driving fork-lift units can remove pallets, move them into display positions, and unwrap them.
The only human employees required would be the security guard - after all - Wal-Mart operates on the assumption that all of its customers are shoplifters and besides, how can you really guarantee the Low Price Always unless you spend more on loss prevention than the losses (same logic applies to Laceration Pack [TM] packaging, guaranteed to maim the purchaser when opening). And, of course, you keep the greeter, to maintain the pretense that Wal-Mart is a "human" company. And, of course, if the automated sensors do fail to detect a problem, there's always the 21st Century labor solution. Add reporting the problem to the guard's job description.
None of this is future technology. Not even the self-driving vehicles. Amazon already does a lot of this in ther warehouses.
Going up and down ladders to fetch take-out boxes or clean windows is a task that was solved long ago. Mostly by replacing the ladders with hydraulic extensors.
Do you need a crew of 10 people climbing ladders and cleaning toilets 24/7?
No.
A shift of 10 people at McD will be replaced by robots and 1 or 2 people at most.
If corporations use robots and AI to make huge cuts into their workforces and create massive unemployment, who's going to buy their stuff?
Looks like unregulated/poorly regulated market forces are a suicide pact for free-market neoliberal capitalism and we'll need big gubbermint to sort this mess out... again.
Try building a robot that can lift all the chairs in the lobby so the floor can be mopped, then clean the windows.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Who's going to straighten up the aisles throughout the day as customers move through? Who's going to detect then replace a lightbulb that burned out on the floor? Who's going to clean up kid-vomit or pick up broken glass? (Don't forget how lawsuit-happy this country is.)
Denial? I've actually have worked in retail and in fast food, I remember what my jobs actually were and the bizarre silliness customers cause. As of today your options are to automate very specific tasks of running a place like that, or you can build a low-maintenance facility that, frankly, will be ugly. Nobody likes using the bathroom at the park.
Yes, I get that the point is to have fewer humans on the crew, the issue is that you really over-estimate how much of that you can really do. So long as you have to keep the people around anyway, they're going to decide not to bother to automate some things. "Well, the robot can clean the floor... but not until someone moves all the chairs. Oh, hell, skip the mop-bot and just have the guy that's moving the chairs do the mopping."
I don't have a mental issue that prevents me from believing it will happen one day. What I do have is experience in working in these places that tells me that there are far more of those little tasks invovled in running a place like that. Also I am under-impressed with our current state of robotics, at least in this context. Yes, we can build a machine that can reliably assemble a burger. We just can't build it to properly clean itself every night.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
A lot of Koreans are now intrigued by the tech of AI and the future with AI, because of the Go match between Lee and AlphaGo. What I can see is that a lot of Koreans are afraid of losing their jobs because of advanced AI. But I do feel a little bit uncomfortable with mass media of Korea trying to alert public that "we have to be prepared for that situation happening". I think the disappearance of jobs has happened all the time since the very old human had found out how to use fire. Because of advance of tech, some jobs are gone while some new jobs come. It is not something that we have to be afraid of, I think it is better for us to think about how can I enhance the performance of my job with the AI tech.
LOL so your argument against robots being able to do something like cleaning a restroom is that you once saw a restroom, and it had a sign or label somewhere that said "low maintenance," and so that tells you a robot can't do it?
Try building a robot that can lift all the chairs in the lobby so the floor can be mopped, then clean the windows.
Uh, those are not even hard problems.
I used to think something like the Panem (hunger games) would never work in real life, but with every visit I make to the US it seems like it could and it would work very well as long as the technology exists. It's already happening. Think about it. This whole consumers are needed is crap. They are not needed. The elite pay very well the people that can make things happen, engineers, scientist, and whatever else they might need for a luxurious life. They can get minerals from the ground, process them, manufacture stuff with them with extremely few people needed. After that, why would they ever need the masses for? To spend resources? Ah. They would rebel. But if you have the technology and they don't, will they attack with spears? Bows and arrows? The middle East is a joke. It's not obliterated simply because the civilized world needs an enemy to keep the population in fear and prejudice Anybody serious believes that if the US would really want to they would not obliterate the entire middle East in a matter of months? They took down Iraq in what, a few weeks? They only sprinkle a drone or an airstrike here and there, just enough so that there's something to put on the evening news, but nothing serious. Even this whole ISIS thing, come on, who is gonna rebuild Syria after they finish things there? Western companies. Probably Russian too, so that everyone is happy. All the Syrians want to go home, no matter what happens, home is always home. And if they will have a booming economy while rebuilding everything, even better. The only thing keeping us in a consumer economy is a mindset. The mindset that every person deserves to have a home, clothes, a car. So the wheels keep turning. But as soon as we will lose that mindset, the takeover can happen with the switch of a button
past 3. The bad news is you're wrong...
/. the 1% are getting shit done...
Yes, we say "AI" when we really mean "Expert System" but you're massively underestimating the power of a modern expert system. Self driving cars alone show you want works. Yes, they have problems, but there's so much money to be made with them that even if the problems aren't solved they'll be lived with. The squishy humans will have to learn to live with the self driving cars, not the other way around. If all else fails the folks driving (pun) the change will buy laws that shift liability so they can have them. You will note that here in the USA we just passed laws making Arbitration Agreements legally binding in all cases. While you and me are posting to
As for war, not gonna happen. The best example of this I've seen is when a bunch of Pakistani Terrorists showed up with guns at a major skyscraper in India and blew a bunch of folks away. It came out that the Pakistani gov't knew it was gonna happen and didn't bother telling India. That's the kinda thing that should have started a war. Remember Arch Duke Ferdinand? Back in the 20s minor crap like that could set things off. Today a large scale terrorist attack just gets brushed off.
Basically our corporate overlords are now global. They no longer have anything to be gained from large scale wars. Small scale ones like Iraq are fine. They keep the pleebs in line, breed a few terrorists to keep everyone too scared to ask for better working conditions and let them run a Military Industrial Complex for profit. But the real big ones that bite into profits are a thing of the past.
The only way out of this is Socialism and redistribution of wealth. I knew it feels bad. You don't like the idea of someone with a good life not stressing out at work because, well, you do, so why shouldn't they. That's why the 1% always talk about how hard they work (lies) and why they make it sound like they're risking capital when investing (also lies). They don't want you to notice they're living the life they deny everybody else...
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Here's how that would really work.
Officer: Open fire on those women protesters carrying small children.
Result: Nervous shuffling in the ranks.
Officer: Open fire on those communist women protesters carrying small children, or you'll have to marry a faggot!
Result: Dakka-dakka-dakkadakkadakka.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This self-contained, automatic device sees raw ingredients go in one end and the completed custom-made burgers come out the other at the rate of up to 400 per hour. The machine stamps out the patties, uses what the company says are "gourmet cooking techniques never before used in a fast food restaurant,” applies the toppings (which are cut only after ordering to ensure freshness), and even bags the burgers.
source : http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/
I'm sure this could replace at at a minimum 3 workers just by itself (1 cook per 8/hr shift). With all the talk recently about raising the minimum wage for fast food workers, the total cost of ownership for this device may be cheaper than 3 employees at a raised minimum wage + a benefits package.
No, and I'm not quite sure why you willfully read it that way. A place designed for public use but minimal human presence for maintenance is usually quite unpleasant. Try a restroom at a local park Who is going to purchase food at a place that feels like a bio-hazard-waiting-to-happen?
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
You've never been to a restaurant designed to be staffed by robots, so you have no idea if it will pleasant, or unpleasant. They don't exist yet, and you refuse to imagine them working. It is just an imagination fail on your part.
I'm sure this could replace at at a minimum 3 workers just by itself (1 cook per 8/hr shift).
Well, let's see about that. At the fast food place I worked at it would be useless until after 11am when the breakfast menu is over. During the high-volume lunch shift while all hands are on deck... yep, it could replace someone there.
In the evening shift? Hrmm maybe on busy nights, but even at our slowest at least one person had to be in the kitchen because, like just about every fast-food joint on the planet, we served more than just burgers. Also at night we had to break everything down and do the nightly cleaning. We are talking about food stuffs here and don't want people getting sick. There are times where that machine could have filled in for someone during the evening shift, but during the times where we just had one person it would be overhead. Unless this machine is set up at a store that's constantly busy throughout the day, and it's one that only sells burgers, I think 3 shift replacements is overly optimistic.
To be fair to your point, the store I was at was not a 24 hour store (although 6am to 1am felt pretty close to it...) and although I have some doubts about it, maybe the machine is adaptable to the morning menu. One thing that would *have* to happen is someone would have to be there at every shift who can do the general "turn it off and then on again" tech support when the machine inevitably fails. This would preferably be someone who can take over and keep the food coming until either a technician or a replacement arrives. This would have to be one of the concessions of running a store like this. That might be fine, but I hope they're not banking on this thing being 100% reliable. Personally I'd be surprised if they were able to reduce their shifts by one 8-hour shift per day, let alone 3.
I would also offer that when a robot says "That's not my job", he means it. I was a burger-flipper that has also shoveled snow in the parking-lot.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
You've never been to a restaurant designed to be staffed by robots, so you have no idea if it will pleasant, or unpleasant.
I've worked in restaurants, I've cleaned food prep equipment, I've cleaned bathrooms, and I've visited many places designed to be minimally maintained. I certainly do have an idea and can tell you that there is a ton of innovation that needs to happen in this area.
It is just an imagination fail on your part.
Ah, yes, the power of ignorance. Exciting.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
No, you've never even been through the door of a restaurant designed to be run by robots.
You cleaned a toilet, that did not teach you anything about robotics. You don't even know what you know and what you don't know.
Right, the "power of ignorance." You've never seen it. You don't know. An engineer is telling you the problem is not hard for existing robots, and you're arguing it is too hard for imaginary robots from the future. Magical power of ignorance indeed.
An engineer is telling me it's not a hard problem because I'm not imagining a fictional future. Yes, that circumstance will cause me to lean towards my life-experience. If you would like to show me why I'm wrong then by all means, please do. As a lazy person who desperately wants his home to clean itself I would *love* to be wrong here, you would only make me happy.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
Right, you're not imagining the future, so your comments have no value at all.
In the phrase, "robots will replace," it is the future being discussed.
All futures are fictional, because they haven't happened.
You're wrong because you don't even have the tense right; you gave yourself no chance to even participate in the conversation. You're just telling me I'm wrong, but you don't know what about.
Nobody said, "this conversation is relevant for people who don't understand and just want to clean less toilets." For that, you can just listen to what you're told, and know that in the future, nobody is likely to pay you for cleaning toilets. Your problem will be solved, you'll have less work in the future! Celebrate, or not, I don't care. I will say, you give an excellent counter-point to the claim that robot workers will be less pleasant to have to deal with. ;)
You're wrong because you don't even have the tense right; you gave yourself no chance to even participate in the conversation. You're just telling me I'm wrong, but you don't know what about.
I'm telling you you're wrong because I know what's involved in the cleaning, how much it costs, and what robotics has not achieved in that price-range yet. You either have to do a lot of over-simplifying or just plain be unaware of what all has to be accomplished for this vision of the future to work. It's also possible you know something I don't know, and when you're ready I'd love to hear all about it because I'd actually prefer for you to be right.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
You're wrong because you don't even have the tense right; you gave yourself no chance to even participate in the conversation. You're just telling me I'm wrong, but you don't know what about.
I'm telling you you're wrong because I know what's involved in the cleaning
BZZZZZZT, you're not even on the right topic yet, and you're arguing the future tense based on the past.
There is nothing possible for you to say that will make experience cleaning toilets into knowledge about what robots will be able to do in the future. Complete fail.
There is nothing possible for you to say that will make experience cleaning toilets into knowledge about what robots will be able to do in the future.
Sure there is. "It requires lots of points of articulation, sophisticated software to coordinate said articulation, processes for acquiring and delivering various cleaning supplies,sensors that can properly navigate and gauge completion, and an appropriate power system along with a place to dock, all at a discount price." You are correct that the design of the room can simplify some bits of that. You do, however, over-estimate how much simplification can happen in the practical world, like in my shit-in-the-urinal example.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
I don't give a rats ass about an imaginary "practical world," in the real world shit in a urinal is not beyond the scope of engineering to solve.
I can very much picture you scrubbing toilets in the future. But you might have to volunteer for the honor.
Heh. Whatever you say, man. Good night!
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)