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Stealthy Drone Can Hide Underwater For Months, Then Float To Surface To Take-Off (digitaltrends.com)

An anonymous reader writes from an article on DigitalTrends: After months of analysis and experimentation, a team of researchers from Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Lab announced the successful development of a reliable sea-to-air UAV. Dubbed the Corrosion Resistant Aerial Covert Unmanned Nautical System -- or CRACUNS for short -- Johns Hopkins' drone has the ability to reside for months underwater without deteriorating or decaying. Once given the signal, the CRACUNS would then rise to the water's surface and begin flight, capable of undertaking a variety of missions.
In order for the drone to accomplish this, the team had to develop a body that contained no structural metal parts or machined surfaces. The composite-body had to not only be extremely lightweight, but able to be submerged in water and hold up to constant water pressure. CRACUNS project manager Jason Stipes said in a published press release, "Engineers at APL have long worked on both Navy submarine systems and autonomous UAVs. In response to evolving sponsor challenges, we were inspired to develop a vehicle that could operate both underwater and in the air."

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  1. I may have seen this by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    It really sounds like a plot element from a James Bond movie.

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    1. Re:I may have seen this by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      There was a 70's Gerry and Sylvia Anderson ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ) TV series called "UFO" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). It featured a jet rocket plane on the tip of a submarine, which was called "Skydiver" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). Oh, and didn't "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" have a "Flying Sub"? But wait, there's still more . . . now that I think about it, the Japanese actually built a submarine/aircraft carrier combo menu plate. Their idea was to use this to bomb New York City or Washington DC. One problem: the planes could take off . . . but not land. Oh, well, coming from the nation that featured Kamikaze pilots, this was no big deal.

      I actually prefer Anderson's model special effects as opposed to the CGI stuff that we have today. And Ray Harryhausen clay monsters? Awesome!

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    2. Re:I may have seen this by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Saw that TV series on yputube half a year ago, it is very retro, very cool!

      One problem: the planes could take off . . . but not land.
      Of course they could land, they where water planes :D like most planes on ships at that time, besides carriers. Basically every big ship, cruiser or BS had one or two planes on board.

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    3. Re:I may have seen this by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      But wait, there's still more . . . now that I think about it, the Japanese actually built a submarine/aircraft carrier combo menu plate.

      There was a WW2 sub - I forget if it was German or British - which incorporated a hanger for a biplane-floatplane and steam catapult into the forward end of the conning tower and main deck. ISTR that it could be craned from the water back onto the catapult and stowed into the hanger, which could then be sealed.

      Actually, the idea seems to have been recurrent and popular. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Difficult to implement, but worth the try. Tries.

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  2. CRACUNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gesundheit!

  3. CRACUNS? by reemul · · Score: 1

    How long did it take them to come up with the acronym? Some fan of "Clash of the Titans" pretty clearly wanted to yell "Unleash the CRACUNS!"

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  4. How witty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CRACUNS - Kraken. Get it?

    1. Re:How witty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, Capt Obvious!!

  5. Lay submerged and float to surface and fly away? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malaysian flight MH370.

  6. TMA by esampson · · Score: 5, Funny

    CRACUNS, brought to you by the Department of Improbable but Possible Word and Acronym Development Services.

    1. Re:TMA by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Virtual +1 Funny.

    2. Re:TMA by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Why do you think it took so long to develop?

      (I really, really want one of those....)

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    3. Re:TMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    4. Re:TMA by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

      RELEASE....THE CRACUN!

    5. Re:TMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There really was no need to explain the joke.

  7. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does it stay submersed and idle if it floats?
    It doesn't look like it has ballast tanks

    1. Re: But by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Very likely it's ever-so-slightly denser than water, thus ensuring it doesn't have to expend [much] power to remain submerged...

  8. I've seen this before... by spauldo · · Score: 2

    Oh yeah, here.

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  9. "University Research" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder what the scientific merits are of this "militarish" device and if any public money was spent on it..

    1. Re:"University Research" by mikael · · Score: 1

      There was a sci-fi website called "Science Faction" or something similar. They had a device called a "gribbler" which would bury itself deep in the ocean bed using a tail, and activate itself when required. Based on the real-world critter called a Gribble which buries itself in wood.

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    2. Re:"University Research" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "public money" refers to the government spending tax dollars then you should be aware that 43% of working Americans pay no federal income taxes. Those who do pay taxes do not get a line item veto on the national budget. The US military related expenditures dwarf every other country on the planet. If China was to accelerate their military buildup it would still take about 25 years to achieve parity with the US. However, if China did accelerate their military buildup that would give the US the excuse it needs to stay in the lead. If the Federal government has done anything right it has continued to support America's military power. For those against that idea I would ask them what do you think would happen if the US had a military power of Finland? Nuclear weapons has so far prevented another world war between the major powers. The US military has enhanced that deterrent by signing mutual defense agreements with countries all over the world. You will never create world wide peace and stability from a position of weakness. Conflict is encoded in human DNA. On the whole we cannot stop ourselves from lashing out violently if threatened . The entire concept of war is illogical but their has not been one day in the past 5000 years were their was not a war in progress for one reason or another.

  10. Motors? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    I've watched the videos and the motors seem submerged under water. So they were able to develop non-metalic motors?

    1. Re:Motors? by gurnec · · Score: 2

      I've watched the videos

      Yes, but did you read the article? ;-)

      For the motors that are exposed to salt water, APL applied commercially available protective coatings. The team tested the performance of the motors by submerging them in salt water. Two months later, they showed no sign of corrosion and continued to operate while submerged.

    2. Re:Motors? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer transformers-esque rotors and motors that folded inside a waterproof shell while submerged.

    3. Re: Motors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of like a turtle?

      Maybe Lisa turtle.

  11. Good job with the name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what are you, 15? Or just American perhaps?

  12. You just know those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are going to use this to spy on us.

    1. Re: You just know those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to kill minorities and Muslims.

    2. Re:You just know those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are going to use this to spy on us.

      Just as the second amendment is all about protecting slavery, drones for the Republicans are about bringing it back. As George Orwell wrote in his book 1984, " imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever." Stopping the fascist Trump is vital to the future of humanity. It is vital we retain textual information about what life was like before Republicans and why we must engineer an information infrastructure that is resilient against the Republicans. They are at war with information.

    3. Re: You just know those Republicans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. The liberals trolls have ruined /. as a tech site.

  13. Good concept, but..... by Urinal+Pube · · Score: 2

    Unless this can park at a 500m depth, it will accumulate enough biomass to disable it in a matter of days. Also, looking at the shape of if, a simple machined aluminum hull would produce a cheaper, lighter, more durable hull, than any currently existing additive manufacturing technologies.

    1. Re:Good concept, but..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beautifully crafted natural camouflage

    2. Re:Good concept, but..... by mikael · · Score: 1
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    3. Re: Good concept, but..... by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing but there are high-tech coatings available that put marine anti-fouling paints to shame...

  14. Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    These guys probably haven't even tried what they claim they can do, drop it in the actual sea for months then call it back, otherwise they would know that corrosion is only half the problem. Unless the entire thing is sprayed in a toxic substance it will have all types of things growing on it after a month or two.

    An enclosing pod that can alter it's buoyancy without external parts or ports would have made a lot more sense, then the drone can just launch out of the pod when it reaches the surface. The pod would then sink again so as to not leave a trace that a drone had been deployed in the area. Using a pod also gives you much more battery life as the drone does not need to carry all the standby power equipment and can maintain it's charge from the pod until launch.

    1. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Your pod idea is interesting, but the likelihood that in 30 minutes, two nerds on /. thought of the bio-accumulation hazard,while the developers did not, is increasingly small.

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    2. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by reemul · · Score: 2

      If they've come up with an economically viable, environmentally friendly way to keep barnacles off for extended periods of time, that's a much bigger discovery than their little drone. Boat manufacturers would be pounding on their door and waving bags full of cash. So I'm guessing they're just hoping it won't be a problem and moving on rather than something they've seriously considered and have miraculously overcome.

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    3. Re: Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      How often do you think boats in cold, northern waters (think greatly increased marinelife activity vs the tropics) need to be removed and have their hulls scraped and repainted?

    4. Re: Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by swb · · Score: 1

      I wet slip my fiberglass boat in Minnesota April through September. I get a very slight film but no beard. My marina acid washes it in the fall and it looks new afterwards.

      Everything I've read about oceangoing hulls suggests much more labor is necessary. Biocide bottom paint and periodic scraping, acid washing and repainting with bottom paint every couple of years.

      I wish I had a lift, but it's entirely cosmetic for me in relatively cold lake water.

    5. Re: Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Standard operating procedure is yearly.

      Who often do you, someone who clearly doesn't own a boat, think it is?

      Yes, they put the boats in dry dock once a year to scrape and repaint.

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    6. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Your pod idea is interesting, but the likelihood that in 30 minutes, two nerds on /. thought of the bio-accumulation hazard,while the developers did not, is increasingly small.

      Not really. most folks think in a how it will work mode, while only a few thing of reasons why it my not. I used to piss of people all the time in meetings by pointing out simple show stoppers while they were all running with pie in the sky awesomeness of the concept.

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    7. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by Sneftel · · Score: 2

      You would be astounded, simply astounded, at what sorts of things a team of academics can rationalize away as something which, while not yet addressed, don't sound like difficult problems, and which aren't relevant to the publication at hand. That's particularly true when those things are a little outside the original team's wheelhouse, like a team of robotics engineers and physicists faced with the prospect of barnacles.

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    8. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by sudon't · · Score: 1

      You know, I'm still trying to figure out exactly why you might want something to sit on the bottom of the ocean for months, then suddenly pop up and fly around. Is it doing something down there? Why not just start with the flying bit? I mean, it has to be brought there anyway. What am I missing?

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    9. Re:Good luck with the barnacles and weed etc. by dave1791 · · Score: 1

      Oh if your flying floating fishy thing was lurking at the bottom of say... the Taiwan Straight or the South China Sea, waiting, just waiting; and had a choice between making an arial or subsurface - let"s just call it activity - that might be VERY interesting to the US Navy.

  15. Barnacles? by niftymitch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it was to sleep silently on the seafloor how does it protect itself
    from colonizing creatures, sediment and detritus?

    Sort of interesting...

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    1. Re: Barnacles? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound too threatening-looking; my ex's vagina on the other hand...

    2. Re: Barnacles? by maroberts · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound too threatening-looking; my ex's vagina on the other hand...

      Which leads to the inevitable question as to whether you were brave, crazy or both to go there.

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  16. Go away greenwow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are an idiot

  17. First Mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once given the signal, the CRACUNS would then rise to the water's surface and begin flight, capable of undertaking a variety of missions.

    First Mission: Operation Wet Willie.

  18. Offline drone? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    How do you tell it to take off from all the way on the bottom of the sea? Carrier fish?

    1. Re:Offline drone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A timer.

  19. Barnacles? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    I hope they have some good anti fouling crap smeared all over it. In real life anything sitting in the sea for months becomes a Barnacle magnet. Basiclly it would look like one of the creatures in a recent Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

  20. Submarine Patent ? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    Hides out of sight and then pops out - sounds perfect.

  21. !aerodynamic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see how well it flies with a few months of barnacles growing on it.

  22. KRAKEN already used as an acronym? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone must have already used the acronym they wanted.

    1. Re:KRAKEN already used as an acronym? by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      Covert Unmanned Nautical Tactical System? Who took it? NSA? GCHQ? North Korea?

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  23. radio at 20kHz by ffkom · · Score: 1

    Theoretically, if you were willing to sink a very long, disposable antenna cable along with the drone, you could activate it by very-long-wave radio. But I doubt the durability in actual sea-water, with living creatures all around, will render the "long term sitting duck"-scenario realistic, anyway. So a "timed" or "short range via audio wave" trigger might be sufficient for realistic scenarios (like false-flag bombings of countries you just don't like).

    1. Re: radio at 20kHz by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Its pretty obvious to me that this is intended to be a littoral tech (i.e. no one's going to be sinking these in the Marianas Trench); as such, it might not be too challenging for each of these to deploy a wire antenna with a tiny float on the end...

  24. What about garbage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One plastic grocery bag or nylon fish net and this thing is simply a bit more garbage in the sea.

    However these thing are evolutionary: weeds today, garbage tomorrow.

    Cool work.

  25. Jules Verne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jules Verne would feel validated (Master of the world, 1961) but I think the military would be drooling. Imagine a weapon that can hide and change it's mode of travel; it would be almost impossible to detect or defend against. The summary doesn't mention underwater travel but it would be easy to build something which tows the drone while submerged.

  26. iNSAne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now any country will have the right to put mines in the oceans.

  27. Submarine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What if it's attached to the hull of a submarine?

    They could remain deeply submerged and send up a "periscope" drone. The sub could send up an antenna buoy to receive the video signal or control the drone. Antenna buoys are already standard.

  28. Put it in a container by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    Instead of trying to find very specific materials to deal with the salt water ...

    Why didn't you just put the device in an water tight container, nice and dry ... that sits on the bottom until signaled, at which point it rises to the surface, opens its lid, and out flies the dry drone.

    Then you don't have to deal with all the other shit thats going to fuck with your drone and build up on it if its under water for months.

    The water itself is the least of your concerns. Over a 3 month period, the salt corrosion isn't going to really be that big of a deal if you're completely submerged (less free oxygen), but the animals that attach themselves to it, build nests in/around/on it, try to eat it, shat on it, bury it ... Those are the things to actually be concerned about.

    Rusting takes a little longer than 2 or 3 months.

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  29. it'sonly a mod to existing tech by cellocgw · · Score: 1

    There are, and have been for a long time, anti-ship mines which lie quietly at the bottom of the sea until a signal (usually sonic, which is easier to propogate than E-M under water) tells the container to open, and up pops the mine. The only difference here is that the popping-up part reaches the surface and goes airborne. Well, that and they appear not to have wanted to bother encasing the payload in a long-term 'survival' case.

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  30. Maybe Not by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    This drone would also need to be able to keep barnacles, oysters, starfish, plant growth and drifting seaweed off of its surfaces in order to have any ability to fly well. Corrosion is just one issue to be overcome.

  31. Resquing people by BlackBindy · · Score: 1

    Will that drone be used to rescue people sunken under water?

  32. Tube launched by MercTech · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, if tube launched so they could be quietly deployed; great tactical advantage there.

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