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Infamous French Hacker Calls Internet a "Digital Shantytown" (medium.com)

An anonymous reader writes: French hacker and security expert Anthony Zboralski calls social media networks a "digital shantytown" in his most recent blogpost. While fellow members of hacker collective w00w00 have formed successful billion dollar startups, he claims that the rewards for creating content and use are unfair and suggests a better solution would be like the successful creation of land title for slum dwellerspartial ownership for users on social media.

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  1. Re:Wait...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's arguing for gay tranny hooker blowjobs on the intertubes.

  2. Re:Wait...what? by bistromath007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He recognizes that the value of social media is entirely created by the people who use it. Twitter, for example, has created basically nothing, or at the very least their contribution is negligible next to that of their user base. They just declared that they were a place to talk, and people showed up. The practical concern that creating a place to talk that can reach the entire world costs a pretty substantial amount of money still places Twitter's meaningful contribution to its own value very, very low compared to that of the users. The users create the content, and this guy believes that such creation should entitle them to a reward more substantial than gold star stickers. They should be able to make decisions about and profit from the platform they've made relevant.

  3. He has a point by dwheeler · · Score: 2

    I think he has a point. Most people (especially non-technical people) primarily only post and interact with others using sites owned by strangers (typically big companies). Just look at the URLs - is the domain is owned by someone other than the poster? If it is, then that other organization decides what you can do or not do. I've long owned my own domain, and I can post what I please on my webiste. If I want to move sites, I can just move hosting organization - the URLs come with me, because I own the domain. I don't think the problem is the existence of big companies at all - the problem is the difficulty of exiting. I don't mind others hosting my material as long as I can leave. If you can't practically leave, then you're no longer in control. Currently it's impractical always own the domain, but even in those cases, it's worth considering the exit cost. For example, git makes it *easier* to move to other hosting organizations (though by no means trivial).

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    1. Re:He has a point by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just look at the URLs - is the domain is owned by someone other than the poster? If it is, then that other organization decides what you can do or not do. I've long owned my own domain, and I can post what I please on my webiste. If I want to move sites, I can just move hosting organization - the URLs come with me, because I own the domain. I don't think the problem is the existence of big companies at all - the problem is the difficulty of exiting. I don't mind others hosting my material as long as I can leave.

      It's more subtle than that - it's about who did what to generate profits, and who gets what in return. Suppose I upload some pictures / video / interesting reading material to say, FB. And that helps to attract other users, and 'eyeballs' for advertising / marketing purposes, and that -in turn- generates profit.

      Then effectively my effort translates into FB's profits. I would have 0 say in how it's all done, and see 0 of those profits.

      I think mr. Zboralski is arguing that isn't fair. Or at least that the effort vs. rewards equation is tilted too much towards the corps that run the show. And indeed... I think he's got a point there.

    2. Re:He has a point by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      It's more subtle than that - it's about who did what to generate profits, and who gets what in return. Suppose I upload some pictures / video / interesting reading material to say, FB. And that helps to attract other users, and 'eyeballs' for advertising / marketing purposes, and that -in turn- generates profit.

      Then effectively my effort translates into FB's profits. I would have 0 say in how it's all done, and see 0 of those profits.

      I think mr. Zboralski is arguing that isn't fair. Or at least that the effort vs. rewards equation is tilted too much towards the corps that run the show. And indeed... I think he's got a point there.

      No.

      All business depends on customers. If there are no customers, a business cannot exist. According to Mr. Zboralski's logic, I am entitled to some of the profits from every company I have ever been a customer of. And that's just ridiculous.

  4. But imagine.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    Whether this guy is a crackpot or not, imagine someone did set up a site like facebook that only took enough to run, allocating healthy fair market salaries to all the staff and instead it allocated all the extra billions to the users. Facebook wouldn't last very long.

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  5. Re: Wait...what? by orledrat · · Score: 2

    Exactly. Just set up a server and you become a rancher [and a Peer in the UK]. My internet possessions are so vast that I am called Duke.

    Oh yeah? MY internet possessions are so fast that I have been named Chief of Apache! Attempts at emulation will fail as no one can beat the speed of my native code.

  6. Doesn't scale. by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Facebook has about one billion monthly active users, pretty much guaranteeing that your "share" or "stock" in Facebook will be all but meaningless.

    Facebook is peripheral to the lives of its users, not central. You will never see the level of involvement that ownership demands. That is where the "shantytown" analogy breaks down completely.

    The geek applauds the changes in Slashdot. That doesn't necessarily translate into enough money to keep the site from going on the auction block again. Someone has to pay the light bill --- and that someone, whether subscriber, advertiser, or charitable foundation will have the final say on how the site is managed.

  7. He is absolutely right. by Lejade · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Attention is a currency. Right now Facebook, Google and co are making fortunes by converting our attention to cash through advertising. All we get in exchange is being tolerated on their properties as long as we are willing to be fed crappy adverts. We're not even consumers, we're like serfs of the medieval ages.
    As it stands, both merchants (ad-buyers) and peasants (consumers) are being screwed, and the nobility (Google, FB & co) takes it all.
    The merchants buy ads with cash hoping it will translate to sales so they get their money back from peasants, but it's a perverse system where the merchant that spends the most in ads gets to push and sell its product - however crappy it is. If you can't pay enough cash to nobility, they make your life as a merchant very difficult. Peasants have it even worse as they end up giving both attention to ads for (mostly crappy) stuff *and* money to the merchants (of which a good chunks end up with the nobility). It's a vicious circle where both merchants and peasants are indentured to the nobility which has no incentive in figuring out a better way for everyone.

    But what if we got payed for our attention? What if there was a marketplace where we could signal what we think has value for other people and get payed if we where right? Suddenly we would have a system where true value would be recognized and where people who helped point out that value (by giving it attention first) would be rewarded. This seems like a much better system for both merchants and peasants but, of course, not for the current nobility.

    Maybe it's time for the revolt of the serfs...

  8. Re:Wait...what? by manu0601 · · Score: 2

    What is proposed here is closer to a profit-sharing or corporate-interest granting arrangements.

    But if there is something to retain from Marx, it is the point that capitalists will not give up their profits without a fight. How can this proposed system prevail?

  9. Internet != Social Media by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Infamous French Hacker Calls Internet a "Digital Shantytown"

    French hacker and security expert Anthony Zboralski calls social media networks a "digital shantytown"

    These two things are not the same thing.

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