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Music Streaming Sales Outstrip Digital Downloads For First Time (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes with this news, which might worry you if you'd like your music (or videos, or books) to be safely stored on your local PC, phone, or offline storage: Music streaming has surpassed digital downloads in terms of revenue, according to a report released by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). Its 'News and Notes on 2015' review shows that music streaming in the U.S. brought in 34.3% of the overall revenue for the year – generating $2.4 billion out of a total $7 billion. If the numbers are accurate, streaming beat music downloads by 0.3%. While this growth is an encouraging result for those in the industry backing streaming services like Spotify and the new Apple Music, many remain unconvinced of its value. RIAA chairman and CEO Cary Sherman noted an 'alarming' disparity between the growth in the number of ad-supported streams, and the growth in revenues generated by these.

74 comments

  1. All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    belongs to us. It has finally happened.

    Captcha: hegemony

    1. Re:All your music... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      who cares, $10 a month i can listen to as many new releases or songs I haven't heard of as I want at any time that i want my music library peaked at 200 some CD's back in the day and most of them i would only listen to once a year. no value in buying music anymore for a huge collection

    2. Re:All your music... by Punko · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Music never belonged to the listener. the concept of "owning music" was farcical to begin with. The concept of having your own personal version of music was the creation of something called the music industry. Industrial music. I haven't purchased a CD in 15 years and haven't downloaded an mp3 in more than 10. I listen to the radio and take in live performances in the local pub.

      Drop recordings - throw them away. Support the artist directly via live performance. Consumption of recorded music only support industrial music - and the corruption that controls it.

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    3. Re: All your music... by jofas · · Score: 1

      Hah! No one can take my bootleg underground pop-up impromptu Pixies intimate invite-only concert recorded on my friend's HTC.

    4. Re:All your music... by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Drop recordings - throw them away. Support the artist directly via live performance.

      Very convenient. I just fancy listening to some music, and I must somehow find out where live music is being performed at that moment, then get the car out and drive somewhere miles away to do so.

    5. Re:All your music... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      it's called a radio. remember those? tuner, etc.

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    6. Re:All your music... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I disagree.

      Not only do I not have a nearby place with live music, let alone playing the kind of music I want ... I want to be able to listen to music while I work, while I'm on a plane, while I'm on vacation, while I'm in my backyard while in my car, or hanging out with friends in my living room.

      I also want a large amount of variety in my music, and have little interest in going to a live venue where I get gouged for cover, over-priced drinks, and leave with ringing ears. And, no, I don't want to hear yet another damned version of Mustang Sally by a cover band. I want to listen to music FAR more often than that, and I sure don't want whatever pop tune is going to play 10 times that day.

      Why was the concept of owning music farcical? We had it for a VERY long time as a model, and for some of us it still works quite well.

      Artists get paid far better from a CD purchase than a streaming play, and I have no fucking interest in having ads shoved in my face so some asshole can track me and try to monetize my listening experience.

      Me, I buy CDs, rip 'em to MP3, and use them on all of my devices how I see fit, where I see fit, and when I see fit. Two or three times a year I buy 20-30 CDs (more if you account for multi-disk sets), rip 'em, put in my library and as much as possible try to play through my entire library through the year -- because I have big giant random playlists based on least recently played.

      No ad company gets money when I play my music, no asshole can tell me the DRM has expired and I'm not allowed to listen to it, no analytics company can gather information about me when I play music, and I'm not dependent on an internet connection to re-download something I already own.

      As far as I'm concerned, the only way to avoid the corruption of the music industry is buy CDs from artists I like, or buy compilation CDs I like, let them get paid, and then never have them have any inputs on how I use my music ever again.

      Sorry, for me buying a CD and ripping it to MP3 is pretty much the only way I can freely enjoy my music in the way I choose to listen to it without allowing someone to try to apply constraints or make more money off the purchase. It's a one shot deal, and then the recording industry is out of the picture ... and I'm not supporting artists I don't like.

      No way I'm willing to hand control of how I play my music to anybody else, and no way I'm going to rely on the radio or live venues to provide all of the music and variety I choose. I'll take care of that myself, precisely by owning my own music library.

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    7. Re:All your music... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      $13 a month and I dont use all my phone data..... Sirius XM also works where cellphones dont.

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    8. Re:All your music... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just call up Aerosmith and have them come over and play for me in the living room.

      I wont listen to Metallica anymore after what Lars did to the carpet last time....

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    9. Re:All your music... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I use my ripped material most often, but I also like the streaming services. I have 64G of MP3 music on my phone and don't have to worry about data charges. At home I love putting on some streaming 'stations'.

      The best thing about the new model of music distribution is that the really good live performers get the greater reward, vs just studio production music. Nothing wrong with the latter, but good live entertainment talent is something special.

    10. Re:All your music... by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      But what if there aren't any local artists playing the kind of music I like? They've basically been selling recorded music since they figured out how to record sound. Recorded music does have it's place. There are albums that I have bought that I've definitely got my money out of. Concert tickets don't really allow everybody to really see the concert anyway. A musician can only spend a finite amount of time touring, and can only do a finite amount of shows. You can't afford to go to a show for every band you like.

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    11. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wrong on so many things: artists who don't perform live, artists who can't perform live (dead, wrong location), back catalogue, artists who aren't 'signed', artists who choose not to be on streaming services. The list goes on.
      Drop recordings? You understand that a lot of live music actually uses elements of recordings? Of course you do...

      Only support Industrial music? You mean like Skinny Puppy, NIN, Ministry? That I'd agree with.

    12. Re:All your music... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Well, that and sometimes artists die and stuff ... I'm sure all those fans of Hendrix or Nirvana (or countless other artists) are just refusing to listen to that because they can't get tickets to a live show.

      A band playing near you, playing stuff you give a crap about, and doing it in a way you can afford to keep doing? Yeah, right.

      By all means, support live music if you like ... but don't for a minute think it can substitute for a personal collection of music. It's not the same thing.

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    13. Re:All your music... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      i have a 128GB iphone. i just download over wifi and have a month's worth of music on me at any time

    14. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow - how do you listen when you're out of cellular and wifi range?

      Oh, you don't? Your solution won't work for me then. Not to mention that the average CD has maybe one or two hits on it at most - Supergroups who produce 5-8 hits per album are relatively rare, at least in my collection. So assuming your music library had around 500 or so decent songs you'd listen to and probably closer to 300.... I laugh at that. My digital collection is about 2500 songs and I consider myself to have a tiny collection. I also never buy whole albums anymore, so if I measured my collection in released CD's I'm sure I'd have had 1000 or so CD's.

      Also, I'm pretty sure that should the worst disaster imaginable happen to me, I'll still have my fingernail-sized SD card backup of my whole library with me. (Plus several hours of ripped-from DVD video for entertainment as well - I'm just starting to convert my video library to digital.) I actually have several backups both on and off site.

      Economically, let's assume you'd listen to about 350 songs a year (figuring 1.5 songs per CD you'd listen to and about 50 new tunes per year...) You pay $120 per year for streaming. After five years you've spent $600 in streaming costs. If your original 300 songs were purchased at an average .99 each and you purchased an additional 250 songs over 5 years at $1.29 each you'd have spent $619.50. You'd also have a library of 550 songs at that point.

      As everyone eventually finds out: Ownership *always* beats renting over a long haul, so long as you get to keep the property free and clear.

      Finally, have you considered what you'll do when you're 60/65/70/75 whatever and might not be able to afford the streaming service anymore? Me, I expect to be able to play all the music I love for the rest of my life when and where I want it... And then I expect my heirs to take whatever they want to from my collection that they want and don't have - they'll get away with it and the MAFIAA won't be able to get to me in my grave.

      OTOH, your mileage may certainly vary.

    15. Re:All your music... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Me, I buy CDs, rip 'em to MP3, and use them on all of my devices how I see fit, where I see fit, and when I see fit.

      Except for MP3, I agree with everything you said. I rip mine to lossless (started with MonkeyAudio -> FLAC -> AAC) and the beauty of lossless is you can convert to anything else however many times you want or need to as times change. Also, with today's storage devices, I can carry days worth of music anywhere I go. I have about 1000 CDs worth of music ripped, archived, and stored, and no, Mustang Sally in any form is not in the list. I should also note that at least 2 of my early CDs have succumbed to bitrot, one badly enough it no longer plays at all. Good thing I have a lossless digital copy.

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    16. Re:All your music... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And conversely, I keep $120 per year in my pocket by not paying to listen to stuff that I already own, or wasting time listening to "new releases" because they're all crap anyway.

    17. Re:All your music... by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      His point was also directed at the decline of music superstars. Why listen to Aerosmith when there is a local band performing great music.
      Wait, you live in L.A. or New York, right?

    18. Re:All your music... by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      I'm confused, you stream and download or you pay for the ability to download as well?

    19. Re:All your music... by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Precisely this. Used to be, if you had a sizable record collection (vinyl, CD, what have you), that was a big deal and people would want to look over your stuff; your investment was around ~300 ~400 dollars US for 200 discs, and that might take a few years to build up. Now, everyone with internet access has close to, if not over, millions of choices for almost nothing. If you use ad blockers and get your music from YouTube, you don't even have to deal with a sales pitch in return for free-as-in-beer tunes.

      Interesting thing though, one article points out that vinyl has outsold streaming. My 13-year-old is part of this movement back to the old-is-new.

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    20. Re:All your music... by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Edit, sorry - $3,000 to $4,000, of course.... :(

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    21. Re:All your music... by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll put your sarcasm and AC status aside (you probably won't read this) - while a physical media purchase does in theory confer life-long use, parent was pointing out the fact that in order to obtain, for example, the roughly 20 million tracks on Spotify, you'd spend more money than most of us have. Even if you want a small fraction of those tunes, the total expense is still VERY high; factor in the "discoverability" angle and I would say that you really DO get a good deal from most streaming services.

      I'm not sure if you've realized this, but it's possible to both subscribe to a streaming service AND buy the music you truly love. Yes, amazing concept, I know. If I buy new discs without knowing what's good, as you pointed out, I could be wasting a lot of money. Now, if I have test-driven the albums/tracks, and KNOW I will want to keep certain said items forever, I am now informed and can spend money wisely. That $120 a year on streaming might save me a few hundred on discs I would have bought & not liked, while still having the benefit of listening to things I haven't purchased outright yet.

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    22. Re:All your music... by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 0

      Me, I buy CDs, rip 'em to MP3, and use them on all of my devices how I see fit, where I see fit, and when I see fit.

      Unless you're buying multiple copies, you do realize what you're doing is copyright infringement, right? You are allowed to make _one_ copy for backup purposes. You can make an argument that you're space shifting a CD, but that means you can only have it on one device at a time, certainly not all of them!

    23. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cox internet went down in our neighborhood for 10 hours last week.

      It was a little weird at first, you don't know how dependent you are on a live connection, and I pondered life without the interwebs for awhile.

      Then I looked at my 2000 CDs and 700 LPs and 1000 printed books 10 guitars and shrugged.

      When the gamma ray burst takes out the power, come on over, bring beer, and we'll have a party.

      Streaming is a scam.

    24. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      regular radio is free, doesn't use phone data, doesn't require specialized hardware, and works where satellite and cellular don't.

    25. Re:All your music... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      apple music premium or spotify premium you can download anything you want to listen to so you don't need to stream it or worry about a signal everywhere you go or worry about your data allowance.

    26. Re: All your music... by avatar+avatar · · Score: 1

      Your pathetic SD card will be of no use to you at all when an EMP or solar storm takes out the electrical grid and does untold damage to magnetic storage! Meanwhile, my grandchildren will have no problem whatsoever listening to my vinyl collection on a hand-cranked turntable in their fallout-cave! But in all seriousness, I stream what I like, buy (usually vinyl) what I love. Best of both worlds.

    27. Re:All your music... by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      Depends on where OP lives. It's perfectly legal to format shift to your heart's content in some countries, illegal to even take a backup in others. In practice though, regardless of the legislation in place, it's generally only when you share copies with others that the media companies get upset enough to bring in the lawyers.

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    28. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are funny.... Regular radio works where satellite wont? Please listen to WLUP FM Chicago while in San francisco..... I'll wait for you to try....

      I am guessing you dont understand how any of these technologies work, or you are a 13 year old that has never been out of town.

    29. Re:All your music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People often get on my back as to why I do not use the Internet for distribution and marketing and complain about "having to buy" a CD. ("But nobody knows who you are!") I point out that 1 000 CD sales are much easier to attain than 20 000 000 streams.

      This means I can concentrate my time producing better music and becoming a better musician. So you reap the benefits in the years to come.

      Thankyou - from a musician.

  2. What about analog downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have a warmer sound!

    1. Re:What about analog downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn... You beat me to it.

    2. Re:What about analog downloads? by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      analog downloads? that's a mixed metaphor if I ever heard one.

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    3. Re:What about analog downloads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was kidding around.

    4. Re:What about analog downloads? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      And yet it still doesn't sound quite as stupid as "digital downloads."

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  3. I prefer to download the music I buy by rossdee · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So I have it whenever and wherever I want

    Music is something you listen to many times, it is inefficient to stream it every time (especially if you're outside your Wifi and would have to pay your mobile carrier for extra data use.

    1. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of these platforms (Spotify at least) support an "Offline" mode where a playlist can be accessible without an internet connection.

    2. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you obviously haven't tried streaming. I've used Spotify and Google Play Music and both support downloading music to your device so you can listen offline.

    3. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      For most people Music is disposable. The biggest "artists" right now are Adele, Taylor Swift, One Direction, Drake. Their current "hits" will be listened to for a couple of months and then discarded. This is why streaming music is so successful. It isn't worth the $0.99 investment to download it.

    4. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Efficient?

      I think RIAA has a different notion of efficiency than you have.

      I'd hope we could bust those criminal gangs once and for all. Unfortunately, the current trend is in the wrong direction. But I'll never give up!

    5. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spotify allows you to download the music on your device. I'm certain other services have the same feature.

    6. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you obviously haven't tried streaming. I've used Spotify and Google Play Music and both support downloading music to your device so you can listen offline.

      So I can download music from Spotify and Google, with the artist getting little or nothing. How is that any different from the "illegal" downloading that the RIAA has sued people for?

    7. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Counterpoint: nothing becomes old as quickly as a new sound, let it go.

      I literally feel ill when a accidentally hear mainstream radio still flogging 80s, 90s as classic gems.

    8. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple Music lets you download whatever you want from the streaming service and keep it for offline use.

    9. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by AntEater · · Score: 1

      It's different because you can only play the downloaded tracks through their app. I'm pretty sure that the app keeps track of the play count and reports back to the mother ship when it reconnects to the internet.

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    10. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by meza · · Score: 2

      Because they don't get "little or nothing". Streaming services now account for over 30% of US music revenue, which is more than that of digital downloads (i.e. the reason this story got posted in the first place) but also more than the sales of physical CDs. How much of this money actually reaches the musicians and how much is eaten up by service providers and labels is of course another issue, but I bet they don't get the lion share of each sold CD either.

    11. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      The biggest "artists" right now are Adele, Taylor Swift, One Direction, Drake.

      I've heard of 3 of them, and can say I'm only familiar with any songs from one of them. It might be time to accept the fact that I'm out of touch with the popular music crowd.

      This makes me happy.

    12. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I've got you beat. I've only heard of two. Though I might have accidentally seen Taylor Swift before a movie once. Unless that was some other blonde. Wait, why do I think Taylor Swift is a blonde? How would I know that? Regardless, I think I'm still out-old-fogeying you, a little.

      More on topic, I do like streaming services, mostly to plug in bands I already like and then discover ones I didn't know. Usually I'm discovering songs that aren't "new" -- often they're a decade or more old -- but they're new to me. Thus far I've stuck with free ones, because I really don't feel the need to pay to get recommendations.

    13. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because they don't get "little or nothing". Streaming services now account for over 30% of US music revenue, which is more than that of digital downloads (i.e. the reason this story got posted in the first place) but also more than the sales of physical CDs. How much of this money actually reaches the musicians and how much is eaten up by service providers and labels is of course another issue, but I bet they don't get the lion share of each sold CD either.

      If you buy, either a digital download or CD, directly from the artist's website or via a service such as bandcamp then the artist gets a large proportion of the price paid.

    14. Re:I prefer to download the music I buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the hell is this modded interesting? It's completely inaccurate. Get your shit together, Slashdotters.

  4. Anytime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I basically choose whichever option gives the **aa consortium the least say in what I watch, listen to, or ignore.

  5. "[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Economy) by Comboman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steaming music subscription instead of MP3s/CDs. Video streaming subscription instead of DVDs. Satellite radio instead of free radio. Cable TV instead of OTA. Pay-to-play games instead of one-time-cost games. Office365 instead of MS Office Suite. Hell, Windows 10 is the last Windows OS that you can "own" instead of "rent" (where "own" means a perpetual license and "rent" means time-limited license). This is all part of a wider trend to a Rentier Economy where ownership is a privilege only the very rich can afford and everyone else is on a treadmill of ever-increasing subscription fees.

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  6. Finally time for some price reductions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Revenue from digital album downloads dropped 5.2% in 2015, and sales of singles declined 12.8%."

    If that trend continues, I wonder if we might see some price cuts, especially for decades-old material? I'm not paying $1 per song for a bunch of .mp3 files of 20+ yo albums. When they cut the prices for the old stuff to something like $0.25 per song on a full album download, they'll get some revenue from me.

    1. Re:Finally time for some price reductions? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      If that trend continues long enough, downloads will be surpassed by vinyl sales.

    2. Re:Finally time for some price reductions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But just think of Aimee Mann and Garth Brooks!
      Captcha: monopoly

  7. Re:"[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Econom by Luthair · · Score: 1

    A big difference for music & video is that new content is available and you won't necessarily be interested in listening to the old stuff. That is a big distinction between content & applications like office where the old software is probably good enough for a decade.

  8. Curious about record contracts by kimvette · · Score: 1

    I'm curious... do record contracts still include clauses requiring the artists to pay for "breakage?" Or, do they now scam artists into paying for "lost packets?"

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  9. um, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    people pay for music?

  10. The market adjusted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The music industry has carefully tried to redefine digital downloads as different from purchases, pushing DRM which is later sunset and stripping us of our first-sale rights with the approval of the courts. Everyone knows that a CD which I can rip, trade or later sell legally is worth more than a digital download which I never really own, but rather license. So, the market adjusted. Streaming is clearly cheaper than amassing an aging collection of purchased music. The digital "licensed" albums were never that much cheaper than a CD or LP. It should come as no surprise that when the industry redefined what it means to "buy" an album stripping many long-held rights from consumers, the market adjusted as efficient markets do, and now we're paying a lot less. This is the market at work folks; it's called capitalism, and it's the basis for our whole economy. If the music industry doesn't like it, maybe they can find a more hospitable environment in China.

  11. An "alarming" disparity? by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIAA chairman and CEO Cary Sherman noted an 'alarming' disparity between the growth in the number of ad-supported streams, and the growth in revenues generated by these.

    No, Mr. Sherman, what you are seeing is the competition that results from customers having more choice about formats and having a relatively large number of competing services trying to win customers driving prices down instead of a handful of companies essentially operating a price-fixing cartel and relying on customer lock-in. That you think this is a problem speaks volumes.

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    1. Re:An "alarming" disparity? by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      ...the competition that results from customers having more choice about formats and having a relatively large number of competing services trying to win customers driving prices down instead of a handful of companies essentially operating a price-fixing cartel and relying on customer lock-in.

      TLDR: capitalism

      That you think this is a problem speaks volumes.

      This is true, will be interesting to see if they try to crack down on these "somethingorother" services that are destroying the quality music industry! Or something.

  12. Re:"[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Econom by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who cares? We get access to the same stuff cheaper, and use the savings to access more stuff the rich used to have all to themselves. Your philosophical bullshit doesn't hold up much when food was 30% of the household income in 1950 and is 11% now, while cell phones went from $4,000 and $50/month plus 40 cents/minute in 1983 to $350 smart phone and $60 unlimited voice and data. By the way, that cell phone would be over $9,000 today, and you'd pay $550/month to talk for 2 hours per week.

  13. What is so special about music business? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole music business' global annual revenues for 2015 are estimated to be bit under 15B$, which is bit less than revenues generated solely by Facebook.

    So only one larger company in IT brings in same revenues, than the whole music industry.

    1. Re:What is so special about music business? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      It isn't that special in monetary regards, if you will. I think you need to look at what Grand-Parent companies own it all to see the bigger picture. I also doubt your 15B figure includes music licensing - restaurants, and licensing in media (movies). Warner Bros was getting 2M a year just for Happy Birthday licensing.

  14. Re:"[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Econom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Amazingly enough, a lot of people still listen to music created in the 1990s, 80s, 70s and even 60s and 50s. Just because millennials only care about the flavor of the month doesn't mean everybody is as fickle as that.

    Some of my most heavily played tracks are from CDs I bought 25 years ago. I can listen to that same music for the next 25 years without paying anyone another damn penny.

    So tell me again how software 'good enough for a decade' is worth buying while music I might enjoy for 50 years isn't.

  15. Streaming encourages exploration by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

    The cost of discovering new content is much lower for streaming services compared to pay to own.

    Spotify costs me the same per month no matter how many tracks from how many artists I listen to. The service encourages me to try new things and they also curate playlists like New Music Friday and Discover Weekly. With pay to own I have to buy the entire album whether I end up listening to one track once, or all of the tracks many times.

    There's also the convenience factor of streaming services. I did rip my CD collection many years ago and then I never listened to those rips because it's much easier to play tracks from my phone or the web player. Spotify costs $9.99 a month, over one year that's about the cost of 6 physical CD's. It's much more expensive to go buy an album, take the time to rip it, move it to my phone and then manage backups.

    1. Re:Streaming encourages exploration by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Here in the UK Spotify costs £9.99 a month which is a whole 16p more than Adele's 25 on CD brand new (just to keep it lined up with comments at the top) which is apparently according to Amazon the number one seller in Popular Music.

      If you are willing to buy second hand older stuff is often *MUCH* cheaper, frequently £0.01 plus £1.26 delivery. For example Adel 19 is £4.96 delivered new, One Directions Up All Night is £1.51 delivered. Though music that has withstood the test of time is more in the £5-6 bracket than the £1.26

      I can stream and download the load to my phone through the magic of Plex which I already have for the TV/Movies side of things and the additional overhead for music streaming is a rounding error. Less than 100GB for 250 albums in 256kbps MP3 and FLAC so far.

      So depending on what and how you buy your CD's Spotify is equivalent to anything from 10 to 95 albums a year if I buy physical CD's. I struggle to see how over say a five year period Spotify is cost competitive with buying CD's.

      I would also add that all my music is DRM free and mine forever. Yes the Plex server is costing me and not everyone has the know how to run one, but this is slashdot. Note though the cost of the Plex server is spread out amount my family as the wonders of a VDSL2 link mean that my mother, brother and sister along with their kids make daily use of the Plex server. In addition it serves as offsite backup for other family members photos etc.

  16. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 1

    "RIAA chairman and CEO Cary Sherman noted an 'alarming' disparity between the growth in the number of ad-supported streams, and the growth in revenues generated by these."

    Genius-fecking-salesman in charge of an entire industry organisation doesn't understand that just showing a company's advert 100 times to the same viewer instead of just once doesn't automatically mean they'll pay 100 times more to run the ad.

    Anything "ad-supported" is doomed to die the second people get used to the ads, or get bothered by them.

  17. Re:"[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Econom by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    Absolutely, some of the older stuff sticks with you forever. On the other hand, looking at my CD collection mostly amassed during the 90's, I'd say half or more could have been a rental. Having both options available is probably better than having only one choice.

  18. Still Buying CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still buying CDs thanks. And, I rip them to .wav.

    My wife pitches a fit everytime Apple won't let her move music from one iDevice to another. Old account, old DRM song, iDevice of unknown origin...

    I just point to the stack of CDs and say, which file format does iDevice prefer today?

    If I want streaming, I get it free via FM radio!

  19. Big difference by Solandri · · Score: 1

    When you say renting, the term is typically associated with paying someone $x/mo so you can live in an apartment, or drive one pre-selected car..

    With these music and movie streaming services, it's like paying someone $x/mo so you can live in any apartment or drive any car. Use the same one all month, or change to a different apartment/car each day if you want. Even the new model that just completed construction and became available yesterday.

    Heck, if there were a similar service for cars, I daresay most people would rent instead of buying a car. Use a small economy car for your solo daily commute, a bigger car for when the wife and kids decide you should go to a restaurant for dinner, a big minivan or RV for your annual week-long vacation. The conflicting constraints of being able to afford only one or two cars, while needing different size cars for different purposes leads to a lot of inefficiency.

    1. Re:Big difference by Locando · · Score: 1

      That's already what you can do with Zipcar if you're in their service area, except for the part about using it for a solo daily commute which is completely infeasible. (Of course, the pricing issues there are not entirely disconnected from the terrible economic inefficiency of leaving a vehicle parked at one's workplace for 8+ hours, but North American regional planning on the whole has had little to do with generating economic efficiency, especially since the FDR era in the case of the US.)

  20. Re:"[Blank] as a Service" (i.e. the Rentier Econom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A lot of people listen to music made in the 1780s !

  21. Old Fashioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess I am old fashioned, but I like to actually own my my media (books, music, movies, games, etc) instead of just buying access.