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GNOME 3.20 Officially Released (softpedia.com)
prisoninmate writes: After yet another six months of hard work, the highly anticipated GNOME 3.20 desktop environment for GNU/Linux operating systems has been officially released on March 23, 2016. Release highlights include support for operating system upgrades via GNOME Software, middle-click paste, kinetic scrolling, drag-and-drop support for Wayland, keyboard shortcuts and gestures overlay for most of the core apps, XDG-Apps technology for installing multiple versions of an app, and much more goodies.
Is it as good as Gnome 2 yet?
I wonder, have they discovered in gnome 3.x that real people need to open real applications on the same screen?
I see the video @ 0:58 mentions "Keyboard Shortcuts"
https://youtu.be/JU2f_jkPRq4?t...
While Keyboard Shortcuts is making great strides at being more use accessible it still doesn't hold a candle to how WebStorm handles shortcuts. Namely, what makes Webstorm great is that you can *search* ALL of the UI for hotkeys / shortcuts and it shows ALL the menu locations for partial matches.
* https://youtu.be/PNZJox8pkls
* https://www.jetbrains.com/img/...
This is a fork of Mate, right?
I wonder, have they discovered in gnome 3.x that real people need to open real applications on the same screen?
Or on multiple screens, for that matter.
Or run the desktop environment in a window on a bigger screen (e.g. a VM).
Relying on pointing devices not going past the edge of the screen takes a certain kind of talent.
Like, they *now* have middle-click paste.
Do they also now have decoupling of focus and z-order, which is what makes left-mark-copy/middle-click-paste truly useful?
I wonder, have they discovered in gnome 3.x that real people need to open real applications on the same screen?
Or on multiple screens, for that matter.
Or run the desktop environment in a window on a bigger screen (e.g. a VM).
Relying on pointing devices not going past the edge of the screen takes a certain kind of talent.
You could always press the Super key as an alternative to the hot corner. Or you could install one of the many extensions https://extensions.gnome.org/ that gives you an alternative way to launch applications. Neither of these things would take as much time out of your day as your slightly odd /. post.
Why should the lack of corners on your virtual machine prevent me from having access to useful features?
No regret. No coming back. Linux is for server-side through SSH only.
Tunneling X through SSH is nice and easy.
As long as you don't use Gnome on either end, that is. Then it's hell.
Remote X capabilities went downhill already with Gnome 2, but with 3, it's just not usable at all.
And why the *** is there so much empty space all over the place?! I bought a 28" monitor so that it could be filled with useful content, not just empty gray areas with nothing in them!
Pick up a book. Any book will do so long as it's been professionally published. Look at the white space around the text, and reflect on why the publisher made you purchase all of that expensive blank paper.
White space can communicate effectively. Hostile vulgarity rarely does.
Aren't those extensions the things they promised would be going away in a later release?
I notice you didn't answer whether more than one window can be running at once, so I'm going to guess that means only if you add some other addons....which are likely not to work with the next release.
FWIW, I was just browsing to see if Gnome was again worth installing. Your post did not encourage me, but maybe some other will.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Aren't those extensions the things they promised would be going away in a later release?
I notice you didn't answer whether more than one window can be running at once, so I'm going to guess that means only if you add some other addons....which are likely not to work with the next release.
FWIW, I was just browsing to see if Gnome was again worth installing. Your post did not encourage me, but maybe some other will.
I really don't understand what you mean. I have multiple windows open all the time. Window management in Gnome is pretty good, IMV.
I tried Gnome 3 on my MacBook about 6 months ago. I instantly loved it and it's now my preferred desktop.
Pick up a book. Any book will do so long as it's been professionally published. Look at the white space around the text, and reflect on why the publisher made you purchase all of that expensive blank paper.
Books have spines. Which combined with centering text accounts for most of the white space. The rest makes it possible to hold the book and turn pages without obscuring the text.
And there's still like 90-95% text and only 5-10% white space. At least in the books I read. Yours may have a way lower text ratio, which might not say so much about the book...
...i've grown to kinda like Gnome 3.
It is far from perfect, sure - the configuration settings are still dumbed down beyond belief and some default UI choices (like the automatic window snapping on screen edges) are hard to justify. But it is a good looking, very easy to use DM which also happens to be consistent when used on touchscreen devices, something the rest of the Linux world somehow still struggles with.
I try other DMs from time to time and always end up coming back. The only real contender Gnome 3 has is XFCE, which is what Gnome 2 should've always been in the first place.
One thing I've always wanted is the ability to open a context menu, select an item, and keep the bloody menu open.
Does any OS/WM do this? RISC OS used to (with the right mouse button) but I've never seen it anywhere else.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
If you liked KDE3 you should look at Trinity DE
http://chimpbox.us
I really don't understand what you mean. I have multiple windows open all the time.
Say you want three different gnome-terminals. Not one parent and two children, but three separate ones, so if one dies, it doesn't take the others with it.
Or say you want to open a single document in two windows, so you can scroll to separate parts and compare them, or make different changes to the two copies before saving them separately.
Gnome 3 makes stuff like this really hard to achieve.
And most monitors have at least a 2cm bezel of blank space in plastic around the content.
The clipboard actually works in Gnome so it's more useful I guess
If, by "actually works", you mean it modifies what's pasted from what was marked, trying to second-guess the user like in Microsoft Windows' clipboard, yes, I suppose you are right.
However, I kind of like not getting presentation but just raw text when I copy. I don't want the fonts. I don't want artificial line breaks from the presentation. I don't want tabs adjusted so they align. And if I copy an "ø", I don't want it to be translated to unicode.
I still use X over ssh with gnome 3.18 daily without issue, as I have been with every previous version of gnome shell. What issues are you having?
All kinds, really. Sometimes fatal errors because it wants to use shm or gvfs, neither of which works over a network. Or other assumptions - here are a couple from Gnome 2 (I don't have a Gnome 3 system nearby, because it just doesn't work for me):
$ gnome-calculator
(process:19434): Gtk-CRITICAL **: set_table: assertion `buffer->tag_table == NULL' failed
$ nautilus .
Initializing nautilus-gdu extension
Nautilus module initialize
nautilus_module_list_types()
Initializing nautilus-open-terminal extension
** (nautilus:19514): WARNING **: Failed to get the current CK session: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.GeneralError: Unable to lookup session information for process '19514'
$ gnote
(gnote:19650): libtomboy-WARNING **: Binding 'F12' failed!
(gnote:19650): libtomboy-WARNING **: Binding 'F11' failed!
[and then it hangs]
Programs that aren't gnome-related work with no problems.
I still use X over ssh with gnome 3.18 daily without issue, as I have been with every previous version of gnome shell. What issues are you having?
Try doing an xkill and click one window. Unless things have changed, boom, all of them go. Not good.
Or you use one of the terminals to log in to a remote system, which needs CTRL-H for backspace instead of DEL for backspace. So you change that, and lo and behold, it changes it for all windows, unless you create a whole new profile first (and delete it afterwards if you don't need it).
Similar for color schemes and much else.
There are security implications too (connecting from multiple gnome-terminals to multiple servers give each destination a venue to attack not just the client machine but the other servers).
Or try entering "gedit .bashrc" from two different terminals (or run prompts). Where's the second window?
Going by windows, most people don't want that, they want full copies. I like what you want most of the time as well but I have to admit in some instances it's nice to get everything.
In Windows, I have to have a notepad2 window open at all times, so I can paste into it, fix formatting, and copy again, so I can paste just text. Because that's almost always what I want.
Books are not computer user interfaces. You're not comparing like concepts.
Take GNOME 2 (or Mate) and GNOME 3. Compared the information density between both and what you can see on the same screen at any given time. GNOME 2/Mate makes better use of available screen real estate, whereas GNOME 3 has more padding and less space to show the actual useful stuff.
I fucking HATE this trend of lowering information density. It means having to scroll more and not take advantage of larger screen sizes. I suppose it's got a lot to do with laptops, phones and tablets being the predominant sizes to target for and people with decently-sized monitors being seen as outliers, but it's not as if I have to enjoy this regression.
You and the rest of the world. There's not much more irritating than copying a spelling, for instance - because I can't spell good - from a web search, only to have the pointless formatting come with it. I think, to be honest, that almost 90% of the time, pasting the text only is the right thing to do.
I like Copy to grab everything but Paste needs to offer appropriate choices for the app and not alter the data unless asked. LibreOffice Writer has a nice Ctrl-Shift-V shortcut to paste text without formatting.
Translation: a hipster asked three other hipsters what looked most hip.
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