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Former Bush Official Lawrence Wilkerson Says Snowden Has Done a 'Service' (salon.com)

An anonymous reader cites an article on Salon: Lawrence "Larry" Wilkerson, former Bush official finds the revelations made by Edward Snowden a service. In 2013, Edward Snowden, a former contractor with NSA, worked with journalists to reveal a number of mass surveillance programs. In a recent interview, Wilkerson said, "I think Snowden has done a service. I wouldn't have had the courage, and maybe not even the intellectual capacity, to do it the way he did it. There's a logic to what he has done that is impressive. He really has refrained from anything that was truly dangerous, with regard to our security -- regardless of what people say. He has been circumspect about what he's released, how he's released it, who he's released it to."

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  1. The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “Don’t ever count us out, because we are the Greeks on Milos. We have the power, and we will do it.”

    He added, “To hell with international law, to hell with human rights, to hell with human dignity.”

    We live in a World that's falling apart now - some of it is even our fault (all those decades meddling in the Middle East over oil). China is now the largest economy in the World and with economic power, military power follows.

    We have a very crowded World now and things are going to get worse as global warming takes its toll.

    I'm afraid the human race will be going backwards in the sense that we'll be having more territorial and resource (fresh water, fishing rights, even arable land) wars. And we'll be dealing with more immigration from the poor countries who want a piece of our pie; which isn't growing fast enough to accommodate the great masses.

    We're not headed for Star Trek type of future but a Mad Max one. And he who has the guns is going fare better.

    1. Re:The World Today by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The U.S. having a ton of military power has been good for the U.S., in the short term. It's been very bad for the world. Now you whine about China?

      Standard xenophobia. Common behavior in all human societies.

    2. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China is now the largest economy in the World and with economic power, military power follows.

      "Endless money forms the sinews of war" - Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 BCE - 43 BCE).

    3. Re:The World Today by bfpierce · · Score: 2

      I think you need to step back and think about the fact that the 'Star Trek' type future arose from a 'Mad Max' one.

      That's not unintentional writing by Roddenberry, it's the only way it really makes sense even today.

    4. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COWARD, lol. (I don't have an accont on /. no point, but I digress) Guns are your flotation device as society falls into the morass? Idiotic hilarity.

    5. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xenophobia? Cry bigotry someplace else. China has a terrible track record on human rights... or maybe that's ok by you? What would that make you to dare discredit someone with a blind statement of bigotry in the face of fundamental rights denied?

    6. Re:The World Today by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

      We live in a World that's falling apart now - some of it is even our fault (all those decades meddling in the Middle East over oil).

      Don't worry, we'll soon have a president that will make America great again. :/

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hillary Clinton? Because Trump will never be elected anything except the harbinger of death for the GOP.

    8. Re:The World Today by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      China is not currently the largest economy in the world, although it is certainly a contender. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, please.

    9. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if China is the no. economy and super power the world will fall apart? How arrogant of you! There are many countries who are low on the list of world economies, and military power, and yet live much better lives than we do. In fact it is that arrogance, and the need to always be no.1 that is creating this mess.

    10. Re:The World Today by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Trump is not the harbinger, he is the messenger. It is our message he carries. The leadership has failed to cover their bets, and now the Party will either dissolve or rebuild.

      I vote for rebuilding, but all I really want is a functional alternative to the Left.

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      deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    11. Re:The World Today by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And guns will soon be about as useful as clubs when the shit goes down the drain because there's a lack of vital parts like gunpowder and firing caps.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    12. Re:The World Today by dbIII · · Score: 0

      Energy stock bubble bursting in 3 .. 2 .. 1.
      Damn - the GP is now right about China having a larger economy :(

    13. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have a very crowded World now and things are going to get worse as global warming takes its toll.

      This is /. - your "global warming" hippy conspiracy has no power here.

    14. Re:The World Today by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US doesn't have a 'left' of note. You have right, and further right.

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      I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
    15. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily make both. It's your precious computer toys that will soon be useless. :)

    16. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bad for the world? Where do you get off saying that? Bad for Europe, protecting their free trade and energy sources while simultaneously providing their defense during the cold war? Bad for Japan? Bad for Korea?

      Get an education on geopolitics. If you live in the Western world, you yourself have benefited directly from that military power, and that stability, whether you want to believe it or not. You haven't been paying attention, or else you are willfully ignoring the truth.

      Were things different, and China was the key power in the world, you could expect things to be very different, and the balance of prosperity would be tilted in some other direction than ours. I'd rather things be the way they are now - I don't think China would be a very merciful or empathetic master.

    17. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Snowden leaks are baby steps in preventing America from being a place like China, Russia, etc.

    18. Re:The World Today by Holi · · Score: 1

      Were trying to bring back the left, it's just the deck is seriously stacked against us.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    19. Re:The World Today by dcollins117 · · Score: 0

      I don't think the Japanese people would agree with your assessment that being bombed by nuclear weapons was to their benefit.

    20. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The U.S. having a ton of military power has been good for the U.S., in the short term. It's been very bad for the world. Now you whine about China?

      Standard xenophobia. Common behavior in all human societies.

      I agree with you 100%

      What is worse is how all of the people used to be high and mighty about, oh well people in stem fields are not adequate for the job demands therefore we need H1B's to come in and take their place..

      Do these morons who betrayed their country in the name of profits, think that when shit hits the fan, having major parts of their infrastructure based on indian labor selected on the basis that it was the lowest bidder, is going to provide better or even adequate information security and is somehow magically not the weak link in the efficiency chain or the security chain to say nothing about the skills chain or the innovation under pressure chain..

      Those assholes who have basically used their "Reverse midas touch" on the economy, need to sit down and shut up, but they won't. 10 years from now all of the STEM workers are going to go to other countries and probably live good lives, all the while when it serves the world the American economy is going to be eaten from the inside out.. thanks to this inept managers who let the Dunning Krueger effect , destroy them, because they thought that because they had big paychecks, it made them smarter than everyone else. Classic mistake!

    21. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snowden leaks are HUGE steps to allow places like China and Russia to kill the light of freedom that is America

      That "Shining City on the Hill" exists because we have always taken steps to protect our freedoms from countries that do not respect individual rights

      The instant that they were given access to our methods, we all became less safe

      It is time to stop acting like offended children and take responsibility for our safety, bending over and letting putin put-it-in (like Snowden has) is not the path to more freedom or security (they go hand in hand)

    22. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you five years old?
      The bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima ended a military dictatorships hold over Japan, prevented many millions of Japanese deaths that would have come from a land invasion and, through the Marshall Plan, cleared the way for decades of economic growth:
      http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/08/13/national/history/japan-germany-become-global-powerhouses-wwii/#.VvWKxPkrJhE

      Grow up

    23. Re:The World Today by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      OK, you've convinced me. It's a great idea. Let's drop many more nuclear weapons on civilian areas. It it for their own good. Woohoo!!

    24. Re:The World Today by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      In times of total war, like the countries where fighting were taking place in Europe and Asia, or the economic power houses of Canada and the US, there are no civilian populations. A skilled craftsman, making airplanes, rifles, etc. is as much a fighting man as a soldier - he just gets less dirty.

    25. Re:The World Today by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Stop the bullsh!t.

      What you call right is anything that is not left.

      Left is what? Control of thought and all economicactivity in the government.

      If you're for freedom of thought, speech you would not like living under a said dictatorship of the people.

      How can anybody who wants to live in a free society what to live under socialism?

      This crony capitalist crap we're now moving too is a result, the direct result of the rise of the nanny state.

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      If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
      Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
    26. Re:The World Today by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Right you are. I think we should put all the undesirables in a camp where we can keep tabs on them. Then build some shower areas where the dirty miscreants can get clean - only instead of water, gas comes out and then kills them all. Then we can build some big ovens to bake 'em in since they are taking up so much space with their dead corpses.

    27. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad, so sad.

    28. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No 'left'? Like universal health care isn't enough 'left' for you?

    29. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to step back and think about the fact that the 'Star Trek' type future arose from a 'Mad Max' one.

      That's not unintentional writing by Roddenberry, it's the only way it really makes sense even today.

      While this is true in the chronology of the Star Trek universe, it probably does not extend to how a real post-scarcity economy would come about. The major problems in place at this point not the least of which being that most people in the free world do not even know what a "Post Scarcity Economy" even is, include:

      The financial and political dominance of the world bank having it's tendrils in every economy of the world minus very few,
      The financial game in America being stacked against it's citizens in terms of the expectation being everyone being in debt so deep that it is impossible to get out,
      The government being dead set against allowing the free market to supplant fossil fuels, develop renewable clean energy, develop cures for deadly diseases and solve the problems that are basically destroying the lives of most people and that are based on established science and not least,
      The top 1% controlling so much of the economy that the ones with the answers to these problems are not listened to , given a fair hearing or allowed to move forward with problem solving based on their talents because of the 1% wanting to protect the status quo. (sometimes I think the only way we are going to ever have a cure for cancer, as one example, would have to be that the CEO's of all of big pharma getting incurable cancers.)

      I don't know exactly what sort of society shattering disaster it would take to get us out of our own way enough for a post scarcity society to come about, but if it started to, rest assured, the ones that want the status quo to continue will try to convince everyone that we are headed for another Nazi Germany situation, just to spread FUD.

    30. Re:The World Today by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That meme is kind of out-dated. Not sure you noticed, but we have a socialist candidate for president.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    31. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, using slippery slope fallacies and straw-man arguments is how to conduct a rational conversation

      "fuck-off you five year old twit", see anybody can join into the fray once that you sink to the bottom of the pool

    32. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cold fjord, is that you?

    33. Re:The World Today by bytesex · · Score: 1

      My god, man, stop. You've lost. Be a man and give up already.

      --
      Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
    34. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I have not seen him around lately

      However, it does not invalidate the points that I made... Can you?

    35. Re:The World Today by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Well, in the Star Trek chronology, that society shattering disaster was World War 3... that was over 600 million killed via a combination of nuclear exchanges between most major powers, biological warfare, multiple conventional conflicts, mass genocide of survivors thought to be irradiated or infected, the dissolution of the United Nations, collapse of social order in the United States, and ecological collapse and famine on multiple continents. And all of that was a few decades the Eugenics Wars (In the 1990s, so we're over that hump.), which themselves had a body count that rivaled WW1.

      Yeah. Im fairly nerdly for remembering all that. But there's probably even more that I don't recall off the top of my head. And while I don't think the post-war, pre-first contact, status of Australia has been addressed specifically; I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that Master Blaster and Auntie Entity are butting heads somewhere in the outback. I doubt that Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan Chase did very well when the nukes fell on Manhattan either.

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      Imagine all the people...
    36. Re:The World Today by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Bullocks. Indiscriminate slaughter of civilians is unacceptable; and everyone involved in it, axis and allied alike, should have been tossed away into a hole as a war criminal. I do say indiscriminate for a reason though. If you take a job producing arms to ammunition you do become part of the war machine... you know there's a risk and you take your chances when you sign on the dotted line. But if you're flipping hamburgers, fixing people's plumbing, or making sure they can get their Netflix, you should be off limits. And no, it's not acceptable to firebomb or nuke an entire city just to take out a rifle factory within its limits.

      That's not to say that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't prevent an even greater evil. They probably did, given the predictions for operation downfall and the fact that the soviets were slithering into the area. But that doesn't make the atomic bombings anything less than pure unadulterated evil themselves. And the people responsible for initiating and implementing those bombings should have been held accountable.

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      Imagine all the people...
    37. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol NRA faggots are stupid.

    38. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      light of freedom that is America

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You dumb fuck.

    39. Re:The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK dumb fuck, give me a quick list of countries with more freedom of speech rights than the US

      Many things that Americans take for granted will get you arrested if not put to death in most countries on the planet

    40. Re:The World Today by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Snowden leaks are HUGE steps to allow places like China and Russia to kill the light of freedom that is America

      That "Shining City on the Hill" exists because we have always taken steps to protect our freedoms from countries that do not respect individual rights

      The instant that they were given access to our methods, we all became less safe

      It is time to stop acting like offended children and take responsibility for our safety, bending over and letting putin put-it-in (like Snowden has) is not the path to more freedom or security (they go hand in hand)

      What freedoms do you have when the superpacs buy the congressmen and senators? The energy sector put aside over 860million dollars to help their congress wimp and senator wimp to win. Favourable laws for the super rich mean that you are no better off then the Chinese with their restrictions on freedoms.

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      Leslie Satenstein Montreal Quebec Canada
    41. Re:The World Today by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying what was done was right, but that I understand the motivation, even if I cannot support it.

    42. Re:The World Today by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      How did you get this from what I said? Are you having reality problems?

  2. understatement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    " I wouldn't have had the courage, and maybe not even the intellectual capacity, to do it the way he did it."

    maybe?

    1. Re:understatement by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Edward Snowden could be looking at the death penalty or even a trial with no right to a jury or even a lawyer

  3. chief of staff to Secretary of State by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative
    It ways he's a "former Bush official", but doesn't say in what capacity. For reference, wikipedia says he is the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Powell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Pity it's only people who are part of administrations long out of power say things like this.

    1. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Everyone's got a mortgage to pay"

    2. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by sasparillascott · · Score: 3, Interesting

      XXongo, you're right, but its good some of these folks, even if from past administrations, are speaking out..especially well spoken ones like Wilkerson.

      Hats off to Snowden, otherwise we'd still be thinking most of this stuff our government wouldn't even consider doing to its citizenry (just from a moral standpoint of honoring and protecting the constitution and those people that are the citizens) with only the tinfoils thinking it was possible.

    3. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Pity it's only people who are part of administrations long out of power say things like this.

      Standard Operating Procedure... Nothing to lose. They get better book/movie deals that way and they keep their pensions. And besides, if they try anything while in power, they will take a heavy fall.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    4. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Hats off to Snowden, otherwise we'd still be thinking most of this stuff our government wouldn't even consider doing to its citizenry (just from a moral standpoint of honoring and protecting the constitution and those people that are the citizens) with only the tinfoils thinking it was possible.

      It's sad that even the most tinfoil hat wearing faraday caged individual can't be considered paranoid anymore, although quite a few of us have said what was possible long ago without resorting to tinfoil hatness.

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      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    5. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Not just nothing to lose, when they were in power, they were on the top. No president or chief of staff is ever going to prison. They will never be held accountable in ANY circumstance.

      Former ones however.... they are UNDER the law.

      You see the same in intelligence communities. While they are in the circles, mass surveillance and warrantless taps are A-OK. Once they become civilians who are subject to laws....suddenly its all overreach.

      I think that is why, of all the spying revelations, the one that seemed to make the most waves was spying on Angela Merkel. She isn't some faceless pleb, she is a "real person" that other politicians can't deny and say "it will never be me"

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    6. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      No, they're still crazy.

      Snowden revealing what any person paying attention already knew doesn't mean that conspiracy theorists are right, it just means that most of the population isn't paying attention to what is in front of their nose and are surprised when someone points it out to them.

    7. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I still think that was overwrought. The Chancellor of fucking Germany is surprised that people are trying to spy on her? Bitch, please.

      She might be pissed that her security team couldn't stop it, but she knows full well that everyone and their grandmother is trying to spy on her, including but not limited to her enemies, her allies, and people who just want to know what is going on. And if you think Germany isn't trying to get detailed information on what Obama is doing, you're deluded.

      The only difference between enemies and allies spying on you is that the enemies will use it to your deteriment, while your allies might not.

    8. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      And what he did reveal was stuff that never made a long term effect anyway. Nobody suffered badly, only some embarrassment to be remembered.

      It was enough to make people pay attention, not to get endangered.

      In a few years he's just another name on a list of persons wanted but no serious effort would be put into getting him caught.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    9. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Maritz · · Score: 2

      There is another difference. Spying on an ally and getting caught creates diplomatic problems and engenders hostility. It's one thing to go around being a cunt, it's another to be outed as one.

      It's a lonely world when everyone is your enemy, and in the case of the NSA I think literally everyone is their enemy. That's the problem.

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      I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
    10. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by jwymanm · · Score: 1

      Huh? No effect? You don't think the huge company encryption drive and also subsequent collapse of secure/no logging email services is an effect of quite a bit of what Snowden revealed?

    11. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, idiots who got sucked into the "Matrix" have mortgage to pay, what comes from that is FEAR of loosing it and thats the FORCE that motivates new generation of SLAVES.

    12. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Crazy is different from paranoid. You can't be considered paranoid about people watching you if people are actually watching you.

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    13. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Well, I was more considering negative strategical effect on the security of any country.

      It just highlighted the need to take caution.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  4. I couldn't agree more by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Edward Snowden blew the whistle on a serious abuse by government. I believe Edward Snowden is a hero for it. Government should not be spying on people. People should not fear their government, their government should fear them.

    1. Re:I couldn't agree more by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Snowden is the best whistleblower one could hope for. He's bloody brilliant. On the other hand we shouldn't even care about the character of the whistleblower, it just deflects attention from the issue they're reporting about.

    2. Re:I couldn't agree more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't fear what causes spying in the first place? I'm thinking their government does fear them, that's why they are spying on people

    3. Re:I couldn't agree more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are the moron, DaMattster's post was right on.

    4. Re:I couldn't agree more by laxguy · · Score: 1

      Care to explain? I'm sure you don't but I figured I would ask.

    5. Re:I couldn't agree more by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dead on, and absolutely correct.

      Our government should be subject to both the rule of law and the will of the people, which should be either be the same or consistent.

      Snowden exposed significant excursions of illegality, and did so in a less than most harmful manner. If by 'harmful' you would mean 'to have exposed what they are doing in secret', then yes, this is correct.

      He didn't use insecure means, known to be subject to compromise, to disclose matters specific enough to risk the lives of intelligence operatives worldwide, nor to disclose precise methods. That was done by another government official, and so far they haven't been held to account. Mr. Snowden is not a criminal except in the strictest sense of having not been caught before he disclosed what he did. He is a whistleblower, and a genuine patriot. He is part of the process of restoring our government to a position of guarded trust it should occupy.

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    6. Re:I couldn't agree more by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      He's good but not brilliant.

      If he was brilliant he would have made sure that the encrypted stuff he did provide keys for was so wide-spread that it couldn't have been intercepted. Now a few journalists did get it and they were raided, which did provide proof that what he had was the real deal and not fake.

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    7. Re:I couldn't agree more by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Ooops, sorry, it says here you're the moron. Better luck next time.

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    8. Re:I couldn't agree more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, unfortunately the current Powers That Be would like to "do a service to", er, for, Edward Snowden. If only he would come home, the welcoming arms of prison gua-, er, rest home attendants, will greet him and make him feel welcome. That needle? That's vitamins, as this is a spa dedicated to your health Mr. Snowden! A spa in our fabulous resort community of Leavenworth Kansas!

  5. That's not entirely true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The truth lies in the middle. Harm was done. Good was done. It just is what it is.

  6. Speaking of whistleblowers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    It sounds like Ted Cruz has had his whistle blown by at least five women not named, "Heidi".

    http://www.conservativeoutfitt...

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider...

    http://www.nationalenquirer.co...

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    1. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by mitcheli · · Score: 2

      So? That seems like a problem between Ted and Heidi.

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    2. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      So? That seems like a problem between Ted and Heidi.

      Except for the part about their donating half a million dollars to the Fiorina campaign as hush money. That's a problem between Ted and the criminal justice system.

      Read the story.

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    3. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by mitcheli · · Score: 1

      I don't think politicians really care too much about the criminal justice system.

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    4. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't think politicians really care too much about the criminal justice system.

      You are correct, generally, but they tend to care a little more when they're in the process of running for office.

      Though really, in this year's GOP political climate, getting thrown in jail might actually make them more popular. It did wonders for 50-Cent and Adolph Hitler, after all. Maybe Ted Cruz is looking for a little street cred.

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    5. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      I'm sure it is. Historical evidence would tend to agree: http://www.conservativeoutfitt... See item 7. Not my issue but to pray God's mercies for their dilemma.

      However, it's also a problem between Ted and I. It's about credibility.
      I pray. I believe the Scriptures. For me to pursue public office, while leaning heavily on the appeal of my faith, while having skeletons such as this is just too much. I'm far from a perfect man, I battle with my sinful nature, but there are things that even I just won't abide. Either a man's faith determines his walk in this world or he is a fraud.

      These are no light accusations considering the tone of Cruz's campaign. Either the accuser should face a lawsuit and be proven a liar, or Cruz must come clean.

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    6. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I pray. I believe the Scriptures. For me to pursue public office, while leaning heavily on the appeal of my faith, while having skeletons such as this is just too much. I'm far from a perfect man, I battle with my sinful nature, but there are things that even I just won't abide. Either a man's faith determines his walk in this world or he is a fraud.

      I'm curious, does this mean you wouldn't vote for Ted Cruz if the allegations prove true?

      And would you even considering voting for a man of even lower character like Donald Trump, who admitted to committing adultery against his previous wife with his current wife? Who admitted lust for his own daughter?

      Or will you support the man that even nature itself endorses?

      http://www.politico.com/video/...

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  7. DAFUQ with summaries? by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

    Slashdot doesn't even get summaries anymore? Now we just have quotes from somewhere else?

    1. Re:DAFUQ with summaries? by halivar · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's better this way. This summary made sense.

  8. Re:Total bullshit by davec727 · · Score: 1

    Do you believe he could have prevented the U.S. government from knowing his name? Because if they knew who did it, and we the people didn't, Snowden's fate would be much, much worse than his current predicament.

  9. Backpeddling after obvious damage-control stories by axewolf · · Score: 2

    Damage control for the damage control.
    A feeble attempt to placate a few people who are catching on to propaganda tactics.
    What are we supposed to think? "Some people in the federal government think that mass surveillance is bad so there isn't really much cause for concern or action"?

    Recent stories:
    NSA Wants To Dump the Phone Records It Gathered Over 14 Years"
    "Whistleblower: NSA Is So Overwhelmed With Data, It's No Longer Effective"
    These conspicuously attempt to dodge the simple fact that the federal government regularly operates criminally by trying to portray global mass surveillance as ineffective and in need of more funding. To say they operate criminally is an great understatement. The summation of their criminal activity is the threat of the complete destruction of freedom itself.

  10. Re:Total bullshit by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Snowden wasn't at all circumspect. He took a huge data dump containing data dangerous to US national security

    This is the quickest way to get everything. He didn't have the time to decide which pieces he needed. Moreover, the vastness is one of the things he was whistleblowing about. Without a ton of data it would have been hard to prove.

    and handed it off to a foreign national.

    Do you have proof of this? My understanding is it has mostly been very select reporters who have had access and the stuff that has been release has been screened prior to release.

    And he did it all because he's an attention whore. If he had done it the right way, we wouldn't even know his name.

    No, he did it because he was paranoid. He was scared that if noone knew his name then it would be easy for him to just disappear. It's not like the government wasn't going to figure out who the mole was. This way, everyone else knows who the mole is too so it's much harder for him to be eliminated. Also, having a name to face makes it more believable versus the standard tin-foil hat crowd that says "our sources" and rightfully noone believes them.

  11. Re:Total bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Snowden had stayed anonymous, the same bootlickers who are calling him an "attention whore" would instead being saying he was a coward for not making his name known.

  12. Re:Total bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He did give the data to a foreign national, largely because he knew that if he only gave it to US reporters it could be too easily hushed.

  13. Re:Total bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he did it because he was paranoid. He was scared that if noone knew his name then it would be easy for him to just disappear

    I would not call it paranoya. I wod call lit very logical reasoning.

  14. Re:Total bullshit by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

    He did give the data to a foreign national, largely because he knew that if he only gave it to US reporters it could be too easily hushed.

    He gave it to foreign reporters of one of our closest allies. Using "foreign national" although technically true is propaganda that makes it sound like he gave it to the military commander of one of our enemies as many people don't even know what "foreign national" even means. Why not use the truth and say that he gave "limited access to British Reporters"? Because that doesn't sound near as scary as "he gave top secret documents to foreign nationals" does.

  15. Snowden did a service .... until .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at it in a neutral way, Snowden did indeed do a service. But then he got on a plane and handed classified documentation to China and Russia.

    So he started as a "hero" who exposed the violations of this administration, and days later he actually transformed himself into a traitor and a coward.