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Former Bush Official Lawrence Wilkerson Says Snowden Has Done a 'Service' (salon.com)

An anonymous reader cites an article on Salon: Lawrence "Larry" Wilkerson, former Bush official finds the revelations made by Edward Snowden a service. In 2013, Edward Snowden, a former contractor with NSA, worked with journalists to reveal a number of mass surveillance programs. In a recent interview, Wilkerson said, "I think Snowden has done a service. I wouldn't have had the courage, and maybe not even the intellectual capacity, to do it the way he did it. There's a logic to what he has done that is impressive. He really has refrained from anything that was truly dangerous, with regard to our security -- regardless of what people say. He has been circumspect about what he's released, how he's released it, who he's released it to."

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  1. The World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “Don’t ever count us out, because we are the Greeks on Milos. We have the power, and we will do it.”

    He added, “To hell with international law, to hell with human rights, to hell with human dignity.”

    We live in a World that's falling apart now - some of it is even our fault (all those decades meddling in the Middle East over oil). China is now the largest economy in the World and with economic power, military power follows.

    We have a very crowded World now and things are going to get worse as global warming takes its toll.

    I'm afraid the human race will be going backwards in the sense that we'll be having more territorial and resource (fresh water, fishing rights, even arable land) wars. And we'll be dealing with more immigration from the poor countries who want a piece of our pie; which isn't growing fast enough to accommodate the great masses.

    We're not headed for Star Trek type of future but a Mad Max one. And he who has the guns is going fare better.

    1. Re:The World Today by bfpierce · · Score: 2

      I think you need to step back and think about the fact that the 'Star Trek' type future arose from a 'Mad Max' one.

      That's not unintentional writing by Roddenberry, it's the only way it really makes sense even today.

    2. Re:The World Today by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

      We live in a World that's falling apart now - some of it is even our fault (all those decades meddling in the Middle East over oil).

      Don't worry, we'll soon have a president that will make America great again. :/

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    3. Re:The World Today by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      China is not currently the largest economy in the world, although it is certainly a contender. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, please.

    4. Re:The World Today by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US doesn't have a 'left' of note. You have right, and further right.

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  2. chief of staff to Secretary of State by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative
    It ways he's a "former Bush official", but doesn't say in what capacity. For reference, wikipedia says he is the former Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Powell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Pity it's only people who are part of administrations long out of power say things like this.

    1. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by sasparillascott · · Score: 3, Interesting

      XXongo, you're right, but its good some of these folks, even if from past administrations, are speaking out..especially well spoken ones like Wilkerson.

      Hats off to Snowden, otherwise we'd still be thinking most of this stuff our government wouldn't even consider doing to its citizenry (just from a moral standpoint of honoring and protecting the constitution and those people that are the citizens) with only the tinfoils thinking it was possible.

    2. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      No, they're still crazy.

      Snowden revealing what any person paying attention already knew doesn't mean that conspiracy theorists are right, it just means that most of the population isn't paying attention to what is in front of their nose and are surprised when someone points it out to them.

    3. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      And what he did reveal was stuff that never made a long term effect anyway. Nobody suffered badly, only some embarrassment to be remembered.

      It was enough to make people pay attention, not to get endangered.

      In a few years he's just another name on a list of persons wanted but no serious effort would be put into getting him caught.

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    4. Re:chief of staff to Secretary of State by Maritz · · Score: 2

      There is another difference. Spying on an ally and getting caught creates diplomatic problems and engenders hostility. It's one thing to go around being a cunt, it's another to be outed as one.

      It's a lonely world when everyone is your enemy, and in the case of the NSA I think literally everyone is their enemy. That's the problem.

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  3. I couldn't agree more by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Edward Snowden blew the whistle on a serious abuse by government. I believe Edward Snowden is a hero for it. Government should not be spying on people. People should not fear their government, their government should fear them.

    1. Re:I couldn't agree more by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Snowden is the best whistleblower one could hope for. He's bloody brilliant. On the other hand we shouldn't even care about the character of the whistleblower, it just deflects attention from the issue they're reporting about.

    2. Re:I couldn't agree more by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dead on, and absolutely correct.

      Our government should be subject to both the rule of law and the will of the people, which should be either be the same or consistent.

      Snowden exposed significant excursions of illegality, and did so in a less than most harmful manner. If by 'harmful' you would mean 'to have exposed what they are doing in secret', then yes, this is correct.

      He didn't use insecure means, known to be subject to compromise, to disclose matters specific enough to risk the lives of intelligence operatives worldwide, nor to disclose precise methods. That was done by another government official, and so far they haven't been held to account. Mr. Snowden is not a criminal except in the strictest sense of having not been caught before he disclosed what he did. He is a whistleblower, and a genuine patriot. He is part of the process of restoring our government to a position of guarded trust it should occupy.

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  4. Re:Speaking of whistleblowers by mitcheli · · Score: 2

    So? That seems like a problem between Ted and Heidi.

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  5. Backpeddling after obvious damage-control stories by axewolf · · Score: 2

    Damage control for the damage control.
    A feeble attempt to placate a few people who are catching on to propaganda tactics.
    What are we supposed to think? "Some people in the federal government think that mass surveillance is bad so there isn't really much cause for concern or action"?

    Recent stories:
    NSA Wants To Dump the Phone Records It Gathered Over 14 Years"
    "Whistleblower: NSA Is So Overwhelmed With Data, It's No Longer Effective"
    These conspicuously attempt to dodge the simple fact that the federal government regularly operates criminally by trying to portray global mass surveillance as ineffective and in need of more funding. To say they operate criminally is an great understatement. The summation of their criminal activity is the threat of the complete destruction of freedom itself.

  6. Re:Total bullshit by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Snowden wasn't at all circumspect. He took a huge data dump containing data dangerous to US national security

    This is the quickest way to get everything. He didn't have the time to decide which pieces he needed. Moreover, the vastness is one of the things he was whistleblowing about. Without a ton of data it would have been hard to prove.

    and handed it off to a foreign national.

    Do you have proof of this? My understanding is it has mostly been very select reporters who have had access and the stuff that has been release has been screened prior to release.

    And he did it all because he's an attention whore. If he had done it the right way, we wouldn't even know his name.

    No, he did it because he was paranoid. He was scared that if noone knew his name then it would be easy for him to just disappear. It's not like the government wasn't going to figure out who the mole was. This way, everyone else knows who the mole is too so it's much harder for him to be eliminated. Also, having a name to face makes it more believable versus the standard tin-foil hat crowd that says "our sources" and rightfully noone believes them.

  7. Re:Total bullshit by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

    He did give the data to a foreign national, largely because he knew that if he only gave it to US reporters it could be too easily hushed.

    He gave it to foreign reporters of one of our closest allies. Using "foreign national" although technically true is propaganda that makes it sound like he gave it to the military commander of one of our enemies as many people don't even know what "foreign national" even means. Why not use the truth and say that he gave "limited access to British Reporters"? Because that doesn't sound near as scary as "he gave top secret documents to foreign nationals" does.