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Have a Political Bumper Sticker? The FBI Might Be Snapping Photos of You (muckrock.com)

v3rgEz writes: Tomorrow marks the 35th anniversary of Food Not Bombs, the peace organization that seeks to democratically divert military spending into free food for the needy. But as documents recently obtained by MuckRock show, even such tepid support as a bumper sticker for the outspoken anti-violence organization could land you in FBI files. Read on for yet another example of how the FBI puts war protesters, Juggalos, and animal rights activists in the same category as organized crime and terrorist groups.

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  1. The FBI will also track you... by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if you read the story or comment on it!

    1. Re:The FBI will also track you... by s.petry · · Score: 2

      if you read the story or comment on it!

      Warning people that actions get them tracked, will get you tracked.

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      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    2. Re:The FBI will also track you... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      COINTELPRO, look it up.

      Just realize that the managers at all these agencies don't work for the American people. The American people didn't give their okay to be spied upon. Cabinet members and agency directors answer to the people who handle their next lucrative assignment.

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    3. Re:The FBI will also track you... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      ... loud self-righteous assholes .. . I'm not saying that your sister necessarily fits into that category ...

      She fits.

    4. Re:The FBI will also track you... by macs4all · · Score: 2

      COINTELPRO, look it up.

      Just realize that the managers at all these agencies don't work for the American people. The American people didn't give their okay to be spied upon. Cabinet members and agency directors answer to the people who handle their next lucrative assignment.

      And of course, The damned USAPATRIOTACT (look it up) undid all the privacy protections that were instituted following the COINTELPRO blowup.

    5. Re:The FBI will also track you... by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 2

      Americans are so clueless, they don't even realize that any political "protest" movement has the FBI putting in CIs & undercovers to research the protest organizers as if they were terrorists. Its de riguer, and its been going on before 9/11. (Why the fuck would FBI need to send undercovers to monitor Quaker meetings to protest the Iraq invasion???)

      As for the PATRIOT act, the gov't was breaking the laws the PATRIOT act suspended before the act was drafted.

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      There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
  2. Misleading Summary headline by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The car photo in the story has dozens of bumper stickers plastered over the back; it's hardly a single political bumper sticker. The person wanted to get noticed and should not be surprised to have someone take a pic of his car--or, if the FBI is there, to have them grab a picture for file art. If you're out investigating and see something that sticks out that much, wouldn't you take a picture of it?

    1. Re:Misleading Summary headline by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I don't think I've ever seen a "Food not Bombs" bumper sticker on a car with less than 5 stickers.

      But I'm not ready to just wave my hands and discount the idea that the FBI considers having lots of bumper stickers to be suspicious, even if the 1st Amendment says they're not supposed to even go there.

    2. Re:Misleading Summary headline by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On one hand, it's a vehicle in public. Anyone can take a picture of it as there's no guarantee of privacy so pinning this up as some kind of government overreach is inane when there are so many better examples of the government infringing on the rights of the country's citizens.

      On the other hand, why the hell is the FBI bothering with these people. Unless their slogan is the world's biggest misnomer, they're not going to be blowing anything up. The worst they'll do is be annoying and passive aggressive in public, which hardly warrants a single letter in the local paper let alone three in the form of some government agency.

      Anyone stupid enough to ruin a perfectly good bumper with a sticker isn't worth wasting time or resources on. I'd be far more suspicious of the individuals with truck nuts. There's someone with enough screws loose to do something dangerous.

    3. Re:Misleading Summary headline by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      On the other hand, why the hell is the FBI bothering with these people?

      Because they have nothing better to do. In the last 20 years, crime rates in America have dropped dramatically, yet the FBI budget has doubled. They are over funded and over staffed, and they don't have enough real work to do.

      There are two alternative solutions:
      1. Criminalize more activities
      2. Cut their budget
      So far we have been opting for #1.

    4. Re:Misleading Summary headline by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What if crime rates have dropped dramatically because the FBI budget has doubled?

      That is unlikely. On a state-by-state basis, spending on law enforcement has been negatively correlated with crime reduction. More cops and more prisons leads to more crime (or at least less of a decline). The effect is especially perverse for teenagers. Once a kid is sucked into the juvenile justice system, they are on the fast-track to a life of crime. If a teenager commits a minor crime, and gets away with it, or is let off with a warning, they are less likely to commit future crimes than if they are arrested and their life is turned upside down.

      The solution to over-policing is fewer police and less spending on law enforcement. When you see an ad for a politician bragging about endorsements from the police union and the prison guard union, you should vote for someone else.

    5. Re:Misleading Summary headline by russotto · · Score: 2

      Perhaps they are recording them to see if any bumper stickers are, indeed, correlated with some sort of wrongdoing.

    6. Re:Misleading Summary headline by Aighearach · · Score: 3

      Because they have nothing better to do.

      In a city near mine, about 10 years ago, an old cop died. When they were cleaning his basement, they found decades of illegal files documenting surveillance of totally innocuous local groups like liberal weekly newspapers, mainstream charity groups with a liberal ideology, social advocacy groups.

      It was really weird, I mean, even conservative citizens didn't understand why they would spend time investigating these groups. But the reason is obvious. Hippies. There are lots of old cops who still believe that hippies were the "death of America" and they're still trying to fight some sort of guerrilla culture war. I have no problem at all thinking that these guys get most of their life entertainment out of stalking hippies, blaming the worlds problems on them, and ticketing them for j-walking.

      Everything has a reason. A lot of those reasons are lame.

      And cutting their budgets? That might just mean they buy less toys they don't need, or do less lab testing of evidence. Reducing their budget does not in any way imply that you're going to improve what they spend money on, or curtail excessive interest in hippies.

    7. Re:Misleading Summary headline by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Law enforcement is supposed to be reactive. They can't be proactive without interfering with legal freedom, because it isn't a crime to not break the law; it isn't a crime to think about breaking the law; it isn't a crime to almost break the law, but then not do it. And they don't even have a pre-crime unit anyways.

      Actual "proactive" law enforcement means things like, instead of harassing the hippies that want to have a march, you work with them to plan the route and get the cops ahead of them diverting traffic and offering a polite escort. It is only for small stuff, because big stuff that didn't happen there is nothing to do yet except training. But the training should be in methods of reaction to actual crime that actually happened. In the past, not in the future.

      Sometimes slashdot makes me wish the world was as smart as President W Bush, then we could at least agree that the past already happened. Hopefully we could even extend that to the future having not happened yet!

    8. Re:Misleading Summary headline by macs4all · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, why the hell is the FBI bothering with these people.

      Because they are sick, power-hungry, paranoid motherfuckers with nothing better to do with our tax money, that's why.

      Next question?

    9. Re: Misleading Summary headline by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      It's actually something of a mystery, but crime rates have dropped in pretty much all first world countries despite their having wildly disparate crime policies.

      Not really much of a mystery. Read up on lead (the metal), reduction of same and correlations with crime rates....

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      "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
    10. Re:Misleading Summary headline by lgw · · Score: 2

      Putting people in a suspect list with no connection to a crime, based entirely on their speech, that is clearly forbidden to them.

      Nope, it's not. Acting on that information, e.g. to search that person, or put them on a no-fly list, that's where they cross the line. But keeping track of public speech is legit.

      (Meta-data tracking is a whole different discussion, omitted here.)

      Heck, just think in terms of basic police work (rare as that may be): cop sees something in public that seems suspicious, but doesn't rise to probable cause. He's certainly allowed to react to that by looking harder for signs of illegal activity, as long as he doesn't cross the line into an actual search. Often the response is simply to walk up and chat with someone suspicious, just say hello and whatnot. That turns out to be a surprisingly effective crime prevention technique.

      We should be outraged at the NSA record every telephone call anyone ever makes, not taking photos of bumper stickers.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  3. AWESOME! by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Time to slap stickers on random people's cars in parking lots.

    Enjoy the increased signal to noise ratio mister FBI man!

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  4. The counter strategy... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A while back I saw a study about bumper stickers and traffic tickets. You're more likely to get a traffic ticket if you have an anti-police ("I shot the pig!") or pro-crime ("Legalized pot forever!") on the rear bumper. You're less likely to get a traffic ticket for having bumper stickers on the front bumper. Go figure.

    1. Re:The counter strategy... by Sowelu · · Score: 2

      Just remember, in some areas pro-police bumper stickers can get you more scrutiny by the police as well.

    2. Re:The counter strategy... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's because the only time anyone will notice the bumper sticker on your front bumper is when you're about to mow them down.

      "Ah, he's against fossil fuels. That's kind of.... Aggghhhhh!"

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    3. Re:The counter strategy... by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's pro-crime about wanting to legalize pot? Legalizing the stuff would give us a significant drop in the crime rate.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    4. Re:The counter strategy... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Legalizing the stuff would give us a significant drop in the crime rate.

      And put quite a few cops out of business.

  5. I'll put these bumper stickers on my car then by MiniMike · · Score: 2

    I'll put this bumper sticker on the left side of my car:
    "Attention FBI: This car best photographed from the right side."
    and on the right side of my car:
    "Attention FBI: This car best photographed from the left side."

    Then put some other nutty bumper stickers in between, and wait for the fun to start!

  6. Lies, damn lies by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who had Ron Paul bumper stickers were placed on DHS watch lists, which we all know gets shared with everyone else _including_ the FBI (Remember fusion centers right?). It only takes 1 of something to get you on a list, and like TFA demonstrates simply following a particular band like ICP will get you labelled and placed on a list.

    Oh, and to be perfectly clear, we _KNOW_ that people were put on lists for being Ron Paul supporters. It took years for people to get removed and of course the Government "claims" that they don't do that any more. If you believe the Government.. well, you are beyond help.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

  7. Re: Congratulations Way Too Many Bumperstickers Gu by jsh1972 · · Score: 2

    The president is near?

  8. Re:Well... by Salgak1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've found, purely by instinct, a way to deal with passive-aggressive Vegans. I threw a party several years ago, and had no idea that the date of a guy I had known from a previous job, was a hard-core vegan. Things had already gone wrong (kitchen set off the smoke alarm, and a neighbor's dog had gotten into the yard. . .), when she loudly complained that there were no Vegan Entrees. I opened the back door, pointed to the lawn, and told her to graze to her heart's content. . . When she stomped out, I got a small ovation from the other attendees. . . (grin)

  9. Re:Because they are by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    I know, those people with the "Coexist" and "Bark less, wag more" bumper stickers are SUCH aggressive assholes, am I right?

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    I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
  10. Here's a study that proves you right by spun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember reading about this study this years ago, it shows that people with more bumper stickers are more likely to be involved in road rage incidents. The theory is, people who personalize their vehicle tend to view the vehicle as their own private space, even when on the public roads. Because they are in their own private space, they literally do feel that they own the road.
    http://www.nature.com/news/200...

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
  11. All fun and games... by clonehappy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can sit around and poke fun at vegans, Juggalos, PETA, and all the other groups that are super easy to/we love to hate. That's precisely why this article is propaganda, as you shouldn't think for a second that "political statements" like being pro-encryption, rooting for Apple, anti-authoritarian, or against a police state doesn't also land you on the same lists.

    It's fun to joke around and all, but allowing any ridiculous-yet-innocuous activities be branded as terrorism just opens the door for the totalitarians to brand any common sense political leanings the same way. You know, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Juggalo...or whatever.

  12. Just stuck on ... by PPH · · Score: 2

    ... my 'Cthulhu in 2016' sticker.

    I suppose I could get on the FBI's good side by adding a 'Lavrentiy Beria for US Attorney General' sticker.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  13. Re:I don't know about FNB by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    ...Karl Marx himself wrote approvingly of the yankee aggression in Horace Greeley's newspaper.

    It appears that the AC is correct:

    Karl Marx ... took Alexander Stephens, the vice president of the Confederacy, at his word when Stephens proclaimed what Southern secession was really all about. Wrote Marx:
           

    The question of the principle of the American Civil War is answered by the battle slogan with which the South broke the peace. Stephens ... declared in the secession Congress, that what essentially distinguished the Constitution hatched at Montgomery from the Constitution of the Washingtons and Jeffersons was that for now for the first time slavery was recognized as institution for good in itself, and as the foundation of the whole state edifice, whereas the revolutionary fathers, men steeped in the prejudices of the eighteenth century, had treated slavery as an evil imported from England and to be eliminated in the course of time.

    Marx continued:
           

    The cultivation of the Southern export articles, cotton, tobacco, sugar, etc., carried on by slaves, is only renumerative as long as it is conducted with large gangs of slaves, on a mass scale and on wide expanses of a naturally fertile soil, which requires only simple labor. Intensive cultivation, which depends less on fertility of the soil than on investment of capital, intelligence and energy of labor, is contrary to the nature of slavery.

    Please mod the AC's post Informative. Thanks.

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  14. Re:Congratulations Way Too Many Bumperstickers Guy by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Your ilk who want to shut everyone up who disagrees with your progressive, anti-human agenda by branding them as racists?

    I'm not trying to shut you up. I have no problem with you going up to a group of young black men and calling them {church bells]. If they beat your sorry ass to a pulp, don't come crying to me about how your First Amendment right got infringed. You started a fight by opening your mouth, pay the price for your freedom.

    Free speech shouldn't have "consequences", that's authoritarian speak for not having the right to free speech.

    Free speech has consequences. If it didn't, no one would die to protect it.

  15. Re:Well... by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Even dogs aren't truly adapted as carnivores, for that look at the cats.

    Trying to keep cats on a diet without meat is abuse, potentially fatal. The only way to have a cat thrive on a vegan diet is to use all parts of the vegan, for different nutritional values.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes