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Linux 4.6 Brings NVIDIA GTX 900 Support, OrangeFS, Better Power Management (phoronix.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Linux 4.6-rc1 kernel has been released. New to the Linux 4.6 kernel are a significant number of new features including NVIDIA GeForce GTX 900 open-source 3D support when using the closed-source firmware files, Dell XPS 13 Skylake laptop support, a fix for laptops that were limiting their own performance due to incorrectly thinking they were overheating, AHCI runtime power management support, Intel graphics power management features enabled by default, a new file-system (OrangeFS), and a range of other improvements.

129 comments

  1. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Ubuntu already doesn't allow installing Chrome since the repo uses SHA1.

  2. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Debian bug #1558331 proves that. They claim MongoDB and Chrome are tools of the repukianz so they don't allow us to install them.

    Wow, this shows the hatred of Debian contributors:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1558331?comments=all

    They hate us and don't want to allow us to use the software we need.

  3. OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Developers provided performance charts against AppleFS in the release notes, but they found it wasn't comparing the same thing.

    1. Re:OrangeFS by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      I looked over the homepage for OrangeFS and still can't figure out the point.

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    2. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      From a glance at their website, I think the keyword is MPI-IO. Picture a weather simulation consisting of 10,000 processes that work together in parallel, where all of them perform semirandom input/output using the same files. That's gonna be difficult to do right with conventional filesystems...

    3. Re:OrangeFS by ArchieBunker · · Score: 0

      Your post was 1000 times more informative than their site. Thank you.

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    4. Re:OrangeFS by somenickname · · Score: 1, Funny

      That seems like a crazy waste of energy. If you want to predict the weather approximately as accurately as the local news, just roll a d20 and look the results up in your DM manual.

    5. Re:OrangeFS by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      When people here filesystem they think of a disk file system.

      Maybe calling it Orange Clustering System might be a more descriptive name?

    6. Re:OrangeFS by Khyber · · Score: 0

      "Picture a weather simulation consisting of 10,000 processes that work together in parallel, where all of them perform semirandom input/output using the same files. That's gonna be difficult to do right with conventional filesystems...'

      But absolutely trivial to do on a RAMDisk. This seems like a solution in search of a problem, however said problem was solved long ago with far superior capability.

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    7. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Huge LOL.
      Yet *another* filesystem from Linux, just one of dozens. What a fucking joke.
      I swear BSD has had just essentially two filesystems ... FFS/UFS and ZFS. Both amazingly stable and performant for their design.
      But Linux can't even get one of dozens to sit well in the community, whether they be buggy or unbalanced in certain performance areas.
      I'm soooo glad I switched from Linux to BSD back in the UFS days.
      And even more happy now with native in-kernel ZFS.
      My days of dealing with the Linux-thing-of-the-month club are long since GONE.
      And good riddance.
      I need something stable and long term, no constant churning.
      And I found it in BSD.

    8. Re:OrangeFS by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      But absolutely trivial to do on a RAMDisk. This seems like a solution in search of a problem, however said problem was solved long ago with far superior capability.

      Do explain how to share that RAMdisk between tens of thousands of processes running on multiple different systems, possibly handling petabytes of data and needing redundancy, too? Oh, right, RAMdisks can't handle such needs.

    9. Re:OrangeFS by driblio · · Score: 2

      And what filesystem do you put on that ramdisk that allows access from 10,000 different machines, simultaneously? And how does that single machine connect to the network? Do you have access top a machine with 1PB of RAM? We have a few 1.5TB machines, but our filesystem is more like 1TB. Basically, this has nothing to do with ram disks, other than that the servers will have huge gobs of ram cache.

    10. Re: OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it? The Last performance test i saw of ramdisks peformed way worse than ssd disk. And no i am not saying that ram i slower but when you add a disk emulation layer it is.

    11. Re: OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know that orangeFS is a special clusterd fs and that not one of the filesystem that you mention would work as a sutible replacment.

      You are comparing a hammer to a saw please consider the rigth tool for the jobb

    12. Re: OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "And no i am not saying that ram i slower but when you add a disk emulation layer it is."

      You are still wrong.

      If you did indeed observe a RAM disk to be slower than an SSD, then you fucked something up.

    13. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That seems like a crazy waste of energy. If you want to predict the weather approximately as accurately as the local news, just roll a d20 and look the results up in your DM manual.

      But this only works correctly, if you don't use the cheap molded/ground dice, but get some machined ones.

    14. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do explain how to share that RAMdisk between tens of thousands of processes running on multiple different systems, possibly handling petabytes of data and needing redundancy, too? Oh, right, RAMdisks can't handle such needs.

      If the same file is accessed by multiple nodes, this implies no data moves. That is, each part of the file has a specific meaning. When you're building a cluster for such a purpose, there likely is no need for multiple files. Or, for performance reason, noone sane would put multiple files on the same disk. Speed will be needed, and RAM can easily be build as big as today's SSDs, even server ones. What's needed is simple direct access to the same block device, with no file system getting in the way at all.

    15. Re:OrangeFS by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Informative

      OrangeFS is a derivative of the parallel FS originally used for Beuwolf clusters.

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    16. Re:OrangeFS by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Well, Linux distros assume that you know what you want to do. They do not prescribe to you. OrangeFS is not exactly a garden variety tool. If you knew anything about anything, then you might have heard that Linux runs on a wide variety of platforms, including massively parallel super computers. OrangeFS is for that. So, it is not for your gaming rig in your mother's basement. Maybe you should go out for fresh air more. There is a whole real world out there, with many beautiful and interesting things.

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    17. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I don't use BSD - because it only has two file systems: FFS/UFS and ZFS - it doesn't even have NFS!

      Then again, maybe you don't know what a file system is and don't know what you're talking about.

    18. Re:OrangeFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dumbass

      Linux runs flawlessly on more hardware than any 5 Windows versions combined.

    19. Re:OrangeFS by Khyber · · Score: 1

      When you make a RAMDisk for multiple machine access, you give it no FS and just give it raw data with pointers to that data when requested.

      It's exactly how my 2D Second Life clone works. Very efficient, very fast, all world changes are practically instantaneous. One raw binary resource file, multiple nodes access it all from RAM, every access forces a refresh across every accessing node. You only need a proper backplane for node interconnectivity.

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  4. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U should use Chrimium instead of that chrome shit

  5. Linux is Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    thankyou for reading at -1

    1. Re:Linux is Communism by secretsquirel · · Score: 0

      cheers!

  6. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This, but too many Microsoft fanbois love Chrome

  7. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad Ubuntu 16.04 blocks third-party software. That is good for open source.

  8. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need to run MongoDB. So you support Ubuntu's screwing over of my employer?

  9. The point is to have yet another thing by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Seriously, there seems to be an obsession in parts of the Linux community to make yet another thing that already does what a bunch of existing software does. I'm not sure why but you see a lot of it. You'll get a distro that'll have 8 different media players, none of them worth a damn, rather than just having one good one but hey, you have options!

    1. Re:The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give Poettering another week and he'll shit out an OrangeFS systemd module.

    2. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VLC works great and plays most media files. Too bad Ubuntu doesn't like it and blocks installing it.

    3. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The repo I've used for years uses SHA1 so Ubuntu is correct in blocking it.

    4. Re:The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Looking at his code in systemd.... Shitting is pretty accurate.

      It blows my mind that Linus allows that no talent hack to put anything near the kernel.

    5. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you think it's ok for Ubuntu to decide what you should be allowed or not allowed to install?

    6. Re:The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking at his code in systemd.... Shitting is pretty accurate.

      It blows my mind that Linus allows that no talent hack to put anything near the kernel.

      Honestly, is it really that bad?

    7. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you're qualified to make the decision on what is free or not so I'm glad that Ubuntu is making that decision for you.

    8. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Ubuntu is on the right side of freedom here. We should only use software that they approve.

    9. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it isn't and also there is no systemd code in the kernel so parent lies.

    10. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Um, VLC is available straight from Ubuntu's own repos.

    11. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't read. They never said systemd code was in the kernel. They said "near the kernel."

    12. Re: The point is to have yet another thing by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      He also said "Linus allows", Linus only has control over what goes *in* the kernel...

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  10. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. Third party repos shouldn't be allowed.

  11. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't need either! Use Chromium and a better database.

  12. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. Iceweasel is better.

  13. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SHA1 is broken so Ubuntu is correct in suddenly disallowing it without warning.

  14. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop it samefag

  15. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This, and Microsoft loves SHA1.

  16. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Runs better than the mess that is Firefox. How long until we have systemd run Firefox?

  17. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a couple of friends on the Chrome team. They claim Ubuntu gave them no warning before blocking Chrome.

  18. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. Third party repos aren't typically free enough. I'm glad Ubuntu is now blocking the.

  19. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need MongoDB. So you really support Ubuntu's blocking of it?

  20. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should have made it a warning before just blocking them!

  21. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the software isn't free then you shouldn't be using it in the first place! Ubuntu is on the right side of this issue.

  22. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad that Ubuntu now doesn't allow you to install Chrome.

  23. moderators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why was this voted down? It included a link to the discussion of exactly why we aren't allowed to install why we want to install.

    1. Re: moderators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The moderators here don't care about facts.

    2. Re:moderators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it includes a link to a bug report on how a warning message is poorly worded. With a lot of comment spam by users who are 'experiencing the same thing' (seeing the message, thinking this bug is the correct place to make the message disappear?)

      Or maybe it *was* the correct place for those comments. I see an admin / bug owner changing the title on 2016-03-18

  24. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sad to see Ubuntu's arrogance on this. Anyone have a workaround? I've got nearly three dozen developers blocked by this!

  25. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF. You post an actual bug number and the moderators here mark you as a troll!

    This is a blocking issue for Ubuntu and Debian unstable. It is a serious problem.

  26. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. I'm saddened by the people that think they have the right to decide what software they install.

  27. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. The vast majority of users are not qualified to make the decision on whether or not soenthing is really open source.

  28. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu already doesn't allow installing Chrome since the repo uses SHA1.

    Their bug on this:

    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1558331

    It's interesting that they decided to not provide a workaround.

  29. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. End users don't know enough to decide.

  30. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad Ubuntu 16.04 blocks third-party software. That is good for open source.

    But bad for people that need to get work done. My developers need MongoDB and Google Chrome, but 16.04 has a policy that blocks them from installing either.

  31. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But neither are free enough. You should choose other options.

  32. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed. Ubuntu is doing the right thing by not allowing third-party software.

  33. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. The average user is not qualified to make that decision. Ubuntu is correct in taking that decision away from the hands of lusers.

  34. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are bearing the consequences if your actions.

  35. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any workaround would be anti-open source.

  36. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This

  37. when is it going to be different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    open-source 3D support when using the closed-source firmware files

    This is what they've been saying about both AMD and NVIDIA since there was a linux and an AMD and an NVIDIA. They all say "open-source xxx with binary". So what, they are drawing the line somewhere else? Are we supposed to give a shit? When is it going to be open source? When are they going to stop acting like ANYTHING "... with binary" is fucking bullshit?

    1. Re:when is it going to be different? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The truth is supporting projects like this are more trouble than they are worth. No matter what they release someone is going to bitch and moan that something isn't correct. AMD/Nvidia can cater to their market which is 90% gamers and 9.9% professional graphics. The other 0.1% are foaming at the mouth zealots who demand source files but would never actually read the million or so lines they are composed of. I can't blame them for putting in minimal effort. How many extra card sales will open source drivers generate? 1000, maybe 2000 at best.

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    2. Re:when is it going to be different? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is what they've been saying about both AMD and NVIDIA since there was a linux and an AMD and an NVIDIA. They all say "open-source xxx with binary". So what, they are drawing the line somewhere else?

      Sounds to me like an open source driver in the OS and an opaque firmware blob to be loaded into the peripheral and run entirely there.

      Not ideal. But how (besides the complexity and ease of installing malware) is it different from doing a complex silicon design, with an open driver, and not giving the RTL description of the logic? Or doing an FPGA design, providing an open driver, but not giving the source to the FPGA load, only the opaque binary object that describes the logic to be emulated?

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    3. Re:when is it going to be different? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a GTX 660. I have it because the folks who built my system for me included it as part of a package that had everything else I wanted. I was a bit leery of it at first, but went with it after finding that it was listed as supported by Nouveau, and that Nvidia provided its own Linux drivers as well. Nouveau sucked: it did not support a number of features that it claimed to, and was flaky as hell. Got tired of of my desktop vanishing without a trace, so I decided to try the Nvidia drivers, which worked a treat. Sometime later, after a number of successful driver updates, I hit one that didn't go so well. Filed a bug with Nvidia, and found their tech support folks to be extremely polite, knowledgeable, and helpful--and they actually took the time to explain a few things to me.

      I prefer to use FOSS software. But I also prefer to use a computer that works.

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    4. Re:when is it going to be different? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The ideal is convincing Nvidia that software patents will not be an issue if they open up the code. We may have to wait for the ex-SGI guys in that place to retire because they were burnt before. The absolute ideal way for that to happen is if those stupid software patents that are normally just a description of a problem instead of a solution to be completely discarded.

    5. Re:when is it going to be different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer That Works > FOSS

      And this is why Linux fails so massively at desktop adption

    6. Re:when is it going to be different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I prefer to use FOSS software. But I also prefer to use a computer that works.

      Wow, why don't you just march right up to Stallman, pull on his beard, and tell him to go fuck himself. He fought long and hard for your freedom! Freedom from the evil slavery of proprietary software like Super Mario Borthers. You make me sick! God damn you!

    7. Re:when is it going to be different? by orledrat · · Score: 1

      I prefer to use FOSS software. But I also prefer to use a computer that works.

      Wow, why don't you just march right up to Stallman, pull on his beard, and tell him to go fuck himself. He fought long and hard for your freedom! Freedom from the evil slavery of proprietary software like Super Mario Borthers. You make me sick! God damn you!

      Hey now.. one cannot simply walk in and proceed to pull on the beard of Stallman. You insensitive clod. What gives you the right? That thing is his, you know?

    8. Re:when is it going to be different? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Only if you believe that 98% FOSS is no less a failure as 0% FOSS.

      Since I don't necessarily see everything in terms of black and white, I'll settle for the 98%, tick the Success column, and proceed to get some work done. House payments don't grow on trees, and my mom doesn't have a basement.

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    9. Re:when is it going to be different? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      "Than", not "as". Sorry.

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    10. Re:when is it going to be different? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Nope. His beard is open source. It belongs to all of us.

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    11. Re:when is it going to be different? by orledrat · · Score: 1

      Fair enough.. should be a simple "git pull" then, but still, I'd urge anyone to think twice before pulling: can you handle it? Maintaining that forking big ball of mud?

    12. Re:when is it going to be different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those firmware files are usually built with a closed source toolchain from 3rd party that charges about $10k per seat per year. Why so expensive? Because they aren't just licensing the software toolchain but also the silicon IP that the firmware runs on. Be glad those firmware files are shared with you for free, and if you want a 'pure' configuration then go ahead and accept that your GPU is going to contain vast areas of dark silicon and provide sub-par functionality.

    13. Re:when is it going to be different? by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The ideal is convincing Nvidia that software patents will not be an issue if they open up the code. We may have to wait for the ex-SGI guys in that place to retire because they were burnt before. The absolute ideal way for that to happen is if those stupid software patents that are normally just a description of a problem instead of a solution to be completely discarded.

      There was an article on ARS T, that Intel is considering to replace NVIDIA for 2017 with AMD. It makes sense for me. Intel needs a less powerful second source and they also need to insure AMD is kept as 2nd source. They also like the AMD graphics hardware.

      As we say, "We shall see!"

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    14. Re:when is it going to be different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has confused me for some time and I haven't been able to find an explanation for the terminology.

      Traditionally firmware is stored in the silicone of the hardware in question, not somewhere in the OS storage subsystems. The OS only requires a driver to interact with hardware and should not touch or know anything about firmware.

      If the hardware needs code from the operating system it should be called flacidware.

  38. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chrome isn't free so this is a good thing.

  39. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much for freedom of choice.

  40. x86 Assembly rewritten in C by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Is that a good thing?

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    1. Re:x86 Assembly rewritten in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In general: Maybe. It's customary to have a C version and have assembly versions "override" the C as and when needed. If all you had was the assembly version then a C version would likely be nice to have around. If it's a piece of code that only makes sense on one architecture anyway and the replacement runs half the speed and double the code size, that effort might well have been better spent elsewhere, even if the code wasn't performance critical.

      In this case... well, it appears to be a maintenance issue, as in the dev didn't like what there was and decided to do a rewrite. "It seems to work", he says. Wonderful. (This is par for the course for linux, of course.)

      On another note, how useful is it to blather about "significant updates" when that's every release, anyway? Generally, save superlatives for when the situation warrants it. Clickbaiting is corrosive.

    2. Re:x86 Assembly rewritten in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On another note, how useful is it to blather about "significant updates" when that's every release, anyway? Generally, save superlatives for when the situation warrants it. Clickbaiting is corrosive.

      The superlative of "significant" is "most significant". https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/significant
      Your complaint is invalid.

    3. Re:x86 Assembly rewritten in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In general: Maybe. It's customary to have a C version and have assembly versions "override" the C as and when needed. If all you had was the assembly version then a C version would likely be nice to have around. If it's a piece of code that only makes sense on one architecture anyway and the replacement runs half the speed and double the code size, that effort might well have been better spent elsewhere, even if the code wasn't performance critical.

      In this case... well, it appears to be a maintenance issue, as in the dev didn't like what there was and decided to do a rewrite. "It seems to work", he says. Wonderful. (This is par for the course for linux, of course.)

      If you want portable code then avoiding asm is a good thing and having to maintain asm and c code side by side can be a major pain in the rear. As for the "It seems to work" comment, it pretty much means that it does what the asm did, it worked for the developer in question, no one has reported any bugs with it, but he cannot guarantee that on architecture X with compiler version Y using Z compiler optimizations that it will work (and yes, having certain compiler options enabled can break code that normally works fine).

    4. Re:x86 Assembly rewritten in C by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Significant just means big enough to be noticed. Hardly a superlative. It's entirely possible for every kernel release to be significant.

  41. Re:more from the Z-80 club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I take comfort that Trump has already won, even in the fever dreams of those who support his opponents.

    And to GP: systemd is Roko's Basilisk.

  42. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find this claim dubious: no serious operation would use Ubuntu let alone MongoDB. I suspect you're jobless and live in your parents basement.

  43. Another Reason by ytene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There could be another reason for this. Do you recall how Creative Labs became very obstructive regarding design information for the X-Fi range of sound cards, to the extent that they would not release even basic info to the GNU/Linux driver community? The reason is because Microsoft sponsors them to write drivers for Windows. Just as Microsoft paid games companies to use DirectX over OpenGL. So there is a high probability that nVidia are taking the Microsoft coin and in return the deal prohibits them from providing full open source to the FOSS community...

    1. Re:Another Reason by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So there is a high probability that nVidia are taking the Microsoft coin and in return the deal prohibits them from providing full open source to the FOSS community...

      nVidia has hinted around repeatedly that getting into bed with Microsoft and producing NV2A is specifically where they became massively encumbered. A lot of people who claim to be interested in this stuff don't seem to know that Microsoft was dipping their toe into GPUs back in the nineties with Project Talisman, mostly being done by Cirrus Logic with some input from Silicon Engineering, Inc. It had features not then in use by other graphics solutions, including a skewing technique that permitted you to interpolate some parts of some frames instead of actually fully rendering them. Who knows what patents were cross-licensed between nVidia and Microsoft?

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    2. Re:Another Reason by dbIII · · Score: 1

      There could be another reason for this

      While there "could" be the ex-SGI guys at Nvidia that got burnt in court before were pretty vocal about the one I mentioned.

  44. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool troll. Frosty, even.

  45. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ubuntu is such an unfortunate name. They could have easily picked something slicker like Performix, or Blobbix.

  46. Weather prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That seems like a crazy waste of energy. If you want to predict the weather approximately as accurately as the local news, just roll a d20 and look the results up in your DM manual.

    But this only works correctly, if you don't use the cheap molded/ground dice, but get some machined ones.

    Hollow machined dice, filled with the blood of a weatherman.

  47. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having fun talking to yourself?

  48. Re: But of course the distributions... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    No, you have it the wrong way around: How long till FirefoxOS runs systemd? TIFIFY

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    Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
  49. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm seeing more comments here downmodded to -1 than I'm seeing with the default mod or an upmod. It's not the discussion that's bad, it's the modding.

  50. Re:more from the Z-80 club by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Along with his interactions with women, a man wishing to be well-rounded should also enjoy the
    companionship of other men. To properly enjoy these friendships, he should go to a sauna room with
    his middle wrapped in a towel, prepared to talk of topics interesting exclusively to those possessing
    puds. After enjoyable discussion of baseball, motor vehicles, cattle, and the movie lunk Schwarzenegger,
    the eldest man shall proclaim that the sweltering steam room in tandem with his thirsty terry towel is
    hot enough to melt a brass monkey's testicles and that to the good of all the towels should be hurled to
    the floor. Once the towels are removed, the second eldest shall make a taunting jape to the youngest
    about the now-exposed terrain of his body, either about his weak-muscled torso or the fact that he
    has a cocktail frank for a weenie.

    Then, whilst the others giggle, the teased one should affect great offense and romp in pursuit of his
    offender, and he shall endeavour to place nail imprints by pinching at the shoulder blades of this
    offender. The others, including the chased, shall giggle uncontrollably at the failure or success of
    the pincher, and as they run so shall their whangies bob whappingly up and down, until the vertical motion
    causes stimulation and they find only their balls are bobbing, for their pee-pee proper is protruding in
    a great rigid slab outward and in a state not unlike rigormortis and so is not of the soft composition of
    things bounceable. Soon distraction and pleasurable sensation make the taunted party abandon all
    remembrance of his haranguing and a jolly game of tag is played. The person who is "it" must
    use his weenie to poke another between the gluteus cheeks, whereupon he will become "it," The game is
    played until everyone is both jubilant and exhausted, and goes home to a dish of his wife's fine cooking.
     

  51. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It came out in 2004, when the rage in the post-dot-bomb rise-of-Google era was for cutesy non-technical-sounding names. All the better if they're multicultural obscure ethnic names. So in the early 1990s it would be something like Innovex or Cyberware, in the 2000s something like Snoople or Groozle or Poople... "Crapware" rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

  52. Re:more from the Z-80 club by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

    I don't quite get how inventing time travel is off topic for a technology site. Well... actually I was hoping for +5 off topic, but the AC's comment has shown me the error of my way. I apologize. Sex is inappropriate,.. got it.

    I swear, this time travel business is nothing but trouble.

    --
    Fifty years of Yippie! 1968-2018
  53. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you "need" MongoDB or Chrome, you're doing it wrong.

  54. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The referenced bug was about Ubuntu and Google package archives using SHA-1 still and throwing warning or errors, about fixing it, and some analysis of the impact. There was one ignored post by someone complaining (the original AC?) that referred to the hate between Ubuntu and Google. Nevermind that this is a security issue Debian addressed (weak, deprecated hashing algorithms in the package installation), and both Google and Ubuntu were slow to clean up their end, so the warnings started to be thrown. Debian, as it should, doesn't weaken security or keep bugs around on behalf of some third-party non-opensource software archive beyond its control. Its a choice you make (no one stopped you), and sometimes it breaks. At least try to complain to the right people, as the bug did - it was filed at Ubuntu.

    No idea where the repukians or MongoDB claims originated, and not looking further in response to troll.

  55. When will SystemD depricate Linux Kernel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will SystemD deprecate the Linux Kernel? When would this happen? This year?

  56. Re: But of course the distributions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The third parties just need to update their repos to meet the new requirements (and they will). Unstable breaks. It's not a serious problem. Everything will be fine.

  57. Re: But of course the distributions... by vilanye · · Score: 1

    How can they stop you from using it?