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China Proposes Foreign Domain Name Censorship (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: A new draft law in China could potentially increase domain name restrictions, limiting domestic access to foreign websites. The measures outlined in the 'Internet Domain Name Management Rules' remain unclear, yet they suggest a marked effort to increase censorship on online content. The proposals, released for public comment by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, seek to update existing regulations to censor any domain names not registered within China. Only domain names approved by authorities would be permitted while other names registered outside of China would be blocked automatically.

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  1. The world according to China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever wonder if not being able to access foreign websites even affects the average Chinese person? At all?

    1. Re:The world according to China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be a stupid question? Everything affects everything else to some small degree.

      As to whether it is more or less impactful than analogous means of oppression in North Korea, I'm guessing "less". Compared with the United States, I'd say "slightly more, but increasingly less every day"

    2. Re:The world according to China by Kkloe · · Score: 1

      great answer, to bad I have no mod points to give out

    3. Re:The world according to China by davester666 · · Score: 1

      This is exactly why we are working so hard to get rid of all the butterflies.

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  2. Fair's Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I block all .cn dommains and GeopIP block all of China, so fair's fair. I guess.

    1. Re:Fair's Fair by itsownreward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was about to say, it might help fend off at least a few of the random scans I get from China...

    2. Re:Fair's Fair by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      They would like that just fine. It will save them lots of time and effort.

      All these stories about online censorship, and so little on the successes of circumvention. We need to bust down the walls, all of them. If there ever was a "just" war, this is it. And it requires no blood.

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    3. Re:Fair's Fair by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, just because it requires no blood doesn't meant there wouldn't be any. Or at least long stays in repatriation camps. Big brother doesn't give up without a fight.

    4. Re:Fair's Fair by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Though it would be better if Big Brother does give up peaceably, it's not a requirement if we can just work around it. It might be more peaceful, if we let them think they are in control.

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    5. Re:Fair's Fair by Altrag · · Score: 2

      Define "success." Stopping 95% of the population from casually running across something China doesn't like is probably a success in their books. I mean sure they'd like to stop 100% but 95% is still a hell of a lot better than 0%.

      Just like the lock on your door (ooh an analogy on Slashdot!) It won't keep out 100% of people, but nobody's about to be calling for a removal of all locks on all doors just because of the occasional B&E.

      Of course that analogy breaks down in the sense that we generally value our personal security and generally consider censorship bad, so the goals of the two systems are kind of opposite (at least in the view of western internet users) but in terms of defining "success," it matches up pretty well.

      I mean I'm not defending the practice here.. it would be great if information could be as free as it wants to be.. but unfortunately the vast majority of users are either technically incapable or just don't care circumventing these kinds of blockades and so for all practical intents they work great even if they're not perfectly sound in theory.

    6. Re:Fair's Fair by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      I was about to say, it might help fend off at least a few of the random scans I get from China...

      Domain names have nothing to do with scans.

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    7. Re:Fair's Fair by itsownreward · · Score: 1

      Not always. For instance, the server sitting in my floor at home -- looking at the vhosts logs I'll often see the same IP try the same skiddy exploit against several (or even every) domain's website hosted on the box before fail2ban drops them in the firewall rules. Since I don't have reverse DNS set up for any of these domains and some (but not all) of them are just third-level subs from domains I have hosted elsewhere it seems a bit more focused than a random scan at times.

    8. Re:Fair's Fair by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Not always. For instance, the server sitting in my floor at home -- looking at the vhosts logs I'll often see the same IP try the same skiddy exploit against several (or even every) domain's website hosted on the box before fail2ban drops them in the firewall rules. Since I don't have reverse DNS set up for any of these domains and some (but not all) of them are just third-level subs from domains I have hosted elsewhere it seems a bit more focused than a random scan at times.

      But those are your domains, not domains related to the source of the scans - no?

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    9. Re:Fair's Fair by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, where is the car in your analogy. I don't understand non car analogies.

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    10. Re:Fair's Fair by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Ok sorry.

      So its like a car analogy. You can create a car analogy and they're like 95% accurate, which makes them a reasonably good success in the view of most car analogists even if they aren't always entirely perfect.

  3. Good luck with that by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "censor any domain names not registered within China"

    So what, only 99% of the internet then?

    1. Re:Good luck with that by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      All you need to do is register the site in China? That's no big deal! I'm going to register tiananmensquareandindependentpollutionlevelreadings.com today!

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    2. Re:Good luck with that by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They might allow you to register (intentionally-provocative domain name notwithstanding), but you'd probably have to comply with a laundry list of additional regulatory requirements if you did... like requiring validated government-issued IDs from any user who's allowed to post public content (possibly including users who weren't even Chinese or in China), and removing "objectionable" (to Chinese censors) content on demand (think DMCA, but a hundred times worse). And you'd probably have to pay some Akamai-like Chinese CDN to shepherd your site's content through the Great Firewall regardless.

      And if you WERE willing to meet China's regulatory requirements for the sake of market share, you'd probably have to block access to most users in Europe, because the very things you'd have to do to officially get your site's content into China would probably get you fined by the EU for violating its privacy laws.

    3. Re:Good luck with that by Kjella · · Score: 1

      "censor any domain names not registered within China"

      So what, only 99% of the internet then?

      Well even the most generous estimates is that 75% don't speak English and that includes learners, the more conservative estimate is around 90%. And the Chinese government's attitude to western values varies from lukewarm to frozen solid, they probably don't mind if the Chinese stick to local sites that are under Chinese jurisdiction. They have a billion users, they're big enough to do pretty much anything on their own. The rest of the world is trending heavily towards English as the de facto global language though, so what they do ultimately won't matter.

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    4. Re:Good luck with that by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      ... of your side of the Internet that you can actually use right now.

      Services there will cater to China first, but spread by demanding concessions from greedy western companies. We'll grow more dependent on these services, which will be tied into the Chinese all-encompassing credit system, be monitored and controlled by Chinese minders, and anyone actually wanting to use their services will have to opt-in to the same "Authoritarian Government at a Distance" model that only Western companies opt-in to so far.

      The rest of us will remain in a sort of Wild West backwoods Internet. We'll have social credit numbers anyway, but it'll matter to us about as much as a Facebook shadow account matters to someone who doesn't use Facebook. Hell, it might even be Facebook based. Ol' Zuck is opting in right now and we're along for the ride.

    5. Re:Good luck with that by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      With the obvious exception of slashdot, would you really miss 99% of the internet?

    6. Re:Good luck with that by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      "censor any domain names not registered within China"

      So what, only 99% of the internet then?

      To censor, not necessarily to block.

      Personally I'm sure that my domain chinagovtsucksballs.cn will be fine because it's registered in China.

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  4. I can see that by swschrad · · Score: 1

    they obviously don't want to be part of the world eCommunity, so block all of .cn elsewhere.

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    1. Re:I can see that by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

      Except, of course, government agencies and selected large corporations will continue to be allowed worldwide access, so they can break into foreign systems and advance their own technologies with what they can steal.

      Then, somebody will figure out how those government-sanctioned breaches of their "Chinese Wall" are accomplished, then the crackdowns start anew.

  5. western corps to obediently register within china by sittingnut · · Score: 1

    if chinese do this, they will do it knowing that whatever and whoever has anything of value in internet of use to china, that does not threaten them, will eagerly start registering themselves within in china, obediently complying with rules chinese have laid down.
    all of the western corps who want to survive and make money will do that
    that is power.

  6. Welcome to 2016 by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    When everyone wants to tell everyone else what they can and can't say and see on the internet.

    Get in line, China.

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  7. Disconnect China from the rest of the world! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The rest of the world would be better off if we would just disconnect China from the internet! They don't like an open internet then we should not have to give them one. This would eliminate a major group of corporate and government hackers.

  8. Doomsday Online by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there is an Internet Doomsday Clock, I'd say it reads about three 'til midnight.

    Everywhere you look, on every continent, freedom and privacy are being hunted down, borne upon the cynical horns of terrorism and pederasty.

    1. Re:Doomsday Online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorism and pederasty is the excuse. The real reason is intellectual property.

  9. China hasn't learned anything from the Empire by kuzb · · Score: 1

    The more you tighten your grip, the more websites will slip through your fingers!

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    1. Re:China hasn't learned anything from the Empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Au contraire, they have learned from the USA: eat until your fingers are really huge and fat, then clutch as much as you can. Increased finger-surface-area combined with weakened gripping-strength actually yields a huge net gain.

    2. Re:China hasn't learned anything from the Empire by the_povinator · · Score: 2

      Not after we demonstrate the capabilities of this internet-filtering station.

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    3. Re:China hasn't learned anything from the Empire by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Pfft, we ALL know anytime you build something that big it's got a thermal exhaust port.

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    4. Re:China hasn't learned anything from the Empire by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it's called a thermal oscillator. Basically, you just look for some kind of thermal thing on the surface, and if you don't see one it means you either need to go inside and blow up its reactor, or kamikaze-attack the bridge so it will crash into something.

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  10. VPN by fadethepolice · · Score: 1

    I can only imagine that this would greatly increase the usage of VPN's..... also GNAA

    1. Re:VPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean gnaa.cn is available? Cool!

  11. Use HOST file by TMYates · · Score: 1

    So then all someone would need to do is manage a downloadable host file to bypass DNS and continue pointing to the IP addresses of valid servers. Sure it might be a pain in the ass to manage, but there would be no need to rely on "authorized" domains. Your authorization would come from you explicitly allowing it in your own local naming service.

  12. The Great Firewall [Re:Good luck with that] by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    China has a history of building walls to keep foreign people or things out. Old habits die hard.

    1. Re:The Great Firewall [Re:Good luck with that] by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      President Trump, ftw.

    2. Re:The Great Firewall [Re:Good luck with that] by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Gar damn Mongorians!

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    3. Re:The Great Firewall [Re:Good luck with that] by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, do you make fun of every other country that tries to defend its border from people just walking into their country?

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    4. Re:The Great Firewall [Re:Good luck with that] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's such an obvious strawman fallacy that it's worthy of the Don himself. Congrats.

  13. DNS to build an IP whitelist by tepples · · Score: 2

    That won't work if the firewall drops connections to foreign IPs that have not been returned from a DNS query. When you perform a DNS query, the DNS server would then do three things: check whether the domain is on China's whitelist, return the hostname's IP address if so, and create a whitelist entry on the firewall for the pair of (your IP address, their IP address) if so. It's thus a little bit like carrier-grade NAT, except that DNS lookups are used as the trigger instead of a SYN.

    Or perhaps I shouldn't have given the Chinese leadership any ideas...

  14. Why can't I have freedom dot china dot com? by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Why is this not permitted?

    I helped build your telephone system back in the 90s, China, and I was one of your first IPO investors in many advanced research firms in Hong Kong, but you won't permit that?

    What gives?

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    1. Re:Why can't I have freedom dot china dot com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's a subdomain. You'd need to register china.com but somebody beat you to it. China couldn't give you a .com domain if they wanted to anyway.

  15. A new China WALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It looks like a new China Wall, history is useless.

  16. Sounds like a feature! by davidwr · · Score: 2

    * Register domain that China government hates
    * China-based script-kiddies can't get to me
    * ???
    * PROFIT by being able to focus my security infrastructure on more serious security threats (like the Chinese-government-trained/sponsored industrial-espionage-hackers???) instead of wasting time swatting the script kiddies that happen to be in China.

    Now if only it was that easy to get rid of the script-kiddie problem worldwide.

    I know! I'll use a Martian IP address!!!

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  17. Dumbing Down by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    All the Chinese government will accomplish with this sort of thing is the dumbing down of their citizenry putting them behind the west in the Great Competition they desire so much to excel at. Sad. Go for it.

    1. Re:Dumbing Down by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      This is why China will never be in the top tier of nations. Sure, it is large and moderately developed, but its trajectory has reached its apogee.

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  18. Preparing for the Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course this is an effort to prevent domain names like freetibet.com appearing to the Chinese population, but the (unintended) consequence of the development is dividing the Chinese values from those of the rest of the world and so preparing them to view the whole world as the enemy for the coming war. They will become just like ISIS.

  19. Not just political by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    I expect this is as much about protectionism for domestic Internet sites/businesses as it it about some futile effort at information control

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  20. "Ministry of Industry and Information Technology" by VirginMary · · Score: 3, Informative

    What is that? A euphemism for the "Ministry of Truth"?

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  21. Self-Foot Shooting now more accurate by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

    Better title for this article:

    "China develops more accurate online method of shooting itself in the foot."

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
  22. Not much different with trade, currently by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, this is just like trade right now. China controls carefully what is allowed in to compete. In addition, if it is something that china wants the manufacturing tech to, they put up large import tariffs against your good and then requires you to 'partner' with a chinese owned company.

    China continues to set up the situation so that they can sell outside of china, but from outside, can not sell INTO china.
    At this point, WTO should step up and say no. BUT, they will not.

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    1. Re:Not much different with trade, currently by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is pure trade protectionism, under the guise of something else. In case you haven't figured it out, the Chinese government is crooked and lies all the time. WTO is useless all these years also.

  23. Re:"Ministry of Industry and Information Technolog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China has no ministry of truth, you must be confused.

  24. Less Traffic by mrovers · · Score: 1

    This mean I will see less traffic from China to my website? All incoming traffic from China is hack attempts, so it would be nice to see that traffic blocked at the source. Wishful thinking I know.

    1. Re:Less Traffic by xtronics · · Score: 1

      Same thought - Just wasted bandwidth from China - they don't buy ANYTHING. I've thought of blocking all their IPs - so the China firewall is going to do if for me.???

    2. Re:Less Traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't there to buy, they are there to A) see what you are selling and if they can steal the design of it and manufacture cheap knock-offs in an attempt to undercut you. B) Try to steal site designs, etc so that if you attempt to enter the Chinese market they're already there with a copy of your site and the government to back them up in any dispute over that design. C) Post spam if you have feedback forms of any sort. D) Attempt unauthorized access to your administration accounts.

  25. It will put them in disadvantage by qaz123 · · Score: 1

    They will cut themselves off of a large amount of information on business, economy, science and so forth. It will decrease their competitive ability.