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Why ISIS Is Winning The Online Propaganda War (dailydot.com)

blottsie writes: The U.S. government has been unable to fight the Islamic State on the one battlefield it currently commands: the Internet. Exemplified by an August 2014 video produced by the State Department, the U.S. remains ineffective at combating violent extremism online. A definitive report by the Daily Dot explores how ISIS succeeds in spreading its message and recruiting new militants, and why the U.S. government continues to fail in its efforts to stop ISIS online.

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  1. ISIS is exploiting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Young men whose culture expects a lot from them, but who have little options for employment or success due to cultural behaviors which limit their options, namely high birth rates and slow economic growth. This is both promoted by religious leaders and cultural prohibitions against lending

    Either lower the birth rate or increase their opportunities and there will be no more people wanting to join ISIS

    1. Re:ISIS is exploiting... by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, they pay better than most other jobs in the region, in dollars. Apply the religious angle to get them to work for a little less. When ISIS cut wages a while back, many of the fighters jumped over to Al Qaeda. Toss the culture crap, it's plain old capitalism that motivates these guys. And maybe the drought, too. War is still more profitable than desalination.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:ISIS is exploiting... by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, sure, it's all our fault, we haven't given them enough opportunities.

      Take Salah Abdeslam, for example. He had a good job as a technician at the Brussels public transport company but got fired because he regularly didn't show up for work. We should have given him more opportunities, we deserve to get shot to bits for not helping these people more.

  2. PR war to hate Islam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only propaganda war ISIL is winning is spreading hatred of Islam far and wide. And it's not going to be these young men who have to wear that, it's going to be your normal suburban families who just happen to have a different religion from those around them.

    1. Re:PR war to hate Islam by Aighearach · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, it is pretty stupid because it doesn't establish what the goals are, or what "winning" means. The US isn't trying to stop people from being asshats online, so it can't "lose" at that. The strategy is actually instead to track them silently so as to know who to drop a missile on, and what bank accounts are big enough to be worse seizing.

      If some part of the US Government was actually tasked with disrupting online activities they don't like, then the premise might make sense.

      And as for the general concept of "propaganda war," that is just specious. Look at all the refugees pouring out of Syria; they're running away from those asshats, not joining them. They're not even trying to fight a "propaganda war," they're using a niche strategy of recruiting angry people from the fringe. There is no premise by which you "lose" a "propaganda war" because 2% of the people supported the other side.

  3. My two cents by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The world is in a great era to live if you happen to live in some of its countries, but even in the richest, there are disenfranchised people not enjoying their existence. From the 3rd to the 1st world, these folks are drawn to belong to something.

    If you can find something to believe in that is bigger than yourself, it can make all your doubts and insecurities go away.

    So either be grateful or hateful that you're smart.

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    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

    1. Re:My two cents by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The words from those same foreign assholes fall flat. Well, something like "come join us and we will provide for your needs and give you a job" might not fall so flat, but those aren't the words we are saying to them.

      That's pretty much it. Those aren't the words anyone else is saying to them, and that's too bad.

      A mirror image is available in nearly any inner city in the world. We lose our youth to gangs in our own nations, and we act surprised when they begin to heed the resonating call of a worldly struggle.

      They must be offered an alternative or there's really no conteast at all for their hearts and minds.

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

  4. Reason two why NSA is a paper tiger by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have already theorized that if online surveillance were really as all-powerful as paranoids think it is, the NSA would have no trouble pinpointing ransomware operators and having them picturesquely snuffed out.

    Reason two: wouldn't a cyberspy agency with real power be able to use the Internet to scramble ISIS communications with fake chatter, misdirected operational orders, and sites filled with doctrinal errors designed to turn wealthy Muslims against ISIS?

    1. Re:Reason two why NSA is a paper tiger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The NSA has better things to do than pinpoint ransomware operators. We pay their salary, but that doesn't buy us their loyalty.

      ISIS isn't a significant threat to Americans, but it creates an enemy to fear, which is extremely useful to those who wish to strengthen their own power base by taking freedom (or privacy) away from their citizens.

    2. Re:Reason two why NSA is a paper tiger by rmdingler · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Or.

      ISIS is actually less threatening to us than a mosquito/Zika outbreak or a sudden death from a fall on the stairs at your pwn home.

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    3. Re:Reason two why NSA is a paper tiger by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have already theorized that if online surveillance were really as all-powerful as paranoids think it is, the NSA would have no trouble pinpointing ransomware operators and having them picturesquely snuffed out.

      Reason two: wouldn't a cyberspy agency with real power be able to use the Internet to scramble ISIS communications with fake chatter, misdirected operational orders, and sites filled with doctrinal errors designed to turn wealthy Muslims against ISIS?

      Reason 3: Our governments find it useful to have a perpetual war (sell more and more weapons!) in the middle east (away from home) with an aspect of terrorism that is scary enough (be afraid we will protect you if you give us your civil rights!) without it being any significant threat to us or our society and thus do nothing of significance to end the war.

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  5. The truth by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the same reason why Climate-change deniers, anit-GMO campaigners, vaccine truthers and other Conspiracy theories find such fertile ground on the internet. People don't go looking for impartial information, they go looking for material that affirms their already held beliefs. The internet offers them the opportunity to find and like-minded people and form communities even when members are separated by large geographical distances

  6. Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This "we'll take care of you" narrative is just about the only thing you hear from the do-gooders that're fscking up by the numbers here in Europe.

    Free monies? Check. Housing? Check. More help "integrating? Check. Special and remedial language courses and schooling? Check and check. Extra doubplelus more counselling? Check, check and check. They're getting way more "help" than the natives do. It doesn't help at all.

    There are piles of evidence that nothing of that actually works. And still you can regularly hear politicians harping on a schooling or support or whatever other course track thingy this week. It still doesn't work.

    The problem is that these extremist youths aren't extremist because they're poor. They're poor because of their death cult beliefs. But because of their beliefs they're easy to convince to dig in even deeper, and anyway, even observing that it's their backward belief system of virulent hate that's keeping them back is "racists". This is why, with every terrorist attack, even where the attackers where shouting very literal and widely known invocations of their belief, you'll see oodles of "experts" tumbling over each other to insist that nothing of all that had to with their so-called "religion" at all, nosiree, honest. You're not supposed to point to the actual cause because that's not polite, see?

    There are more problems, but the fundamental problem should already be visible: The west is operating on a certain set of assumptions ("we'll help you, then you'll be thankful and take the hint to be more like us"), and these people are operating on wildly different assumptions ("We get free stuff? Sure, give us some more. Us thankful? Nah. We have our own 'culture'. And now that free stuff is a right so we demand more or we'll call you racist... again.") that makes us look weak and contemptible in their eyes.

    And that's the European situation. The US situation is possibly worse because the US and thus the US government is even worse about this perception dichotomy thing. It's why the US has lost just about every war in the last couple decades. Military might? Sure. Er, excuse me, "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!". But making it stick? HA HA HA HA. The name of the game is "hearts and minds" and against these people, the west sucks at it. The more west you look, in fact, the more they suck at it.

    This is why, for one, Assad needs very much to stay where he is, yet "the west" keeps on wishing him away. This is why the "Arabian spring" turned into nothing short of a global disaster. If you're wondering how that could come to pass, well, there were these wars arming and destabilising the region, and then all it needed was a relatively small trigger. The only spark of hope for us is that the region is full of extremists that disagree with each other and therefore dislike each other to death, and that's not much of a spark. We in the west are more or less entirely powerless, because we're so completely out of touch with their frame of reference.

    And that in turn is exactly what's making this counter-propaganda so excreably bad: It doesn't resonate with the target demographic at all. The ISIS propaganda, OTOH, resonates very well indeed, to the point it has no problem getting hordes of disaffected young men to join them and commit mass atrocities.

  7. Re:Simple Solution: Golden Rule ,,, by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    an "ally" of the United States and the Obama administration

    They were also an "ally" of the Bush administration, and the Clinton administration, and the prior Bush administration and so on; because they're allies (for whatever that's worth) of the United States, regardless of its presiding administration.

    Why would you mention Obama here unless for a needless (and false) partisan attempt at blame-assigning? US-Saudi relations have nothing to do with Obama specifically and long, long predate him.

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  8. Nut Job Movements by JimSadler · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When these groups spring up they do attract followers for a while. But given a bit of time, the public tends to see through the false face that these groups present and they tend to collapse. Even in the US we have had lunatic movements that almost completely vanish. The KKK is an example. They used to have enormous power and now have only a few scraggly members with next to no influence at all. The prohibition movement is another such group although prohibition if heavy-handed would have been a great idea. And then we had the eugenics movement about 100 years ago as well. As far as the terror nuts go in reality they kill a few people and cause some economic problems but the handwriting is already on the wall for them. They are in meltdown and their leaders certainly know that.