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Company Creates Gun That Looks Like a Cellphone (nbcnews.com)
Earthquake Retrofit writes: Sometimes you want to carry your gun in peace, but people keep drawing attention to your piece. This very issue plagued Kirk Kjellberg, the creator of Ideal Conceal, a [.380-caliber pistol] that folds up to look like a smartphone. "A boy spotted me in [a] restaurant and said loudly, 'Mommy, Mommy, that guy's got a gun!' And then pretty much the whole restaurant stared at me," Kjellberg told NBC News. He developed Ideal Conceal to avoid those awkward situations.
According to NBC News, "In locked position, the two-shot plastic gun with a metal core can be discreetly slipped into pockets, like a real phone. But 'with one click of the safety it opens and is ready to fire,' Ideal Conceal claims. The Department of Homeland Security has contacted him about the pistol, and he plans on giving them x-rays of it so law enforcement can distinguish it from cellphones during airport screenings. An Ideal Conceal prototype is slated for June, with sales beginning in October. The gun is listed for $395."
No, he's trying to get everyone who carries a mobile phone shot.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
giving all those idiots who say 'I thought it was a gun' extra excuses.
A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
"A boy spotted me in [a] restaurant and said loudly, 'Mommy, Mommy, that guy's got a gun!'
So instead of thinking "maybe I shouldn't carry a weapon when I go to a family restaurant", his first reaction was "How can I hide it better?".
Faith in humanity: Lost.
No thanks. It's not like it's hard to conceal carry already. Plus only 2 rounds.... I'll stick with my 7 rounds of 9mm that is not that hard to carry out of view.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
"Yes, kid, I have a gun, and that's okay. Before I could get this gun, I had to go to the police and show them that I'm one of the good guys. They made me promise that no matter what, I would use this gun only if there are bad guys who want to hurt me or the people around me, and there is no other way to escape. See, you've probably seen some movies or TV shows where the good guys arrive right in time. In the real world, that doesn't always happen. Sometimes, a good guy has to be there already. Right now, if a bad guy comes in this restaurant, I might be able to stop him, and that's why I have a gun."
...and that's how you change "awkward" into "awesome", and you don't even need to make even more identification problems!
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
If you own guns, it means that you can afford guns, which means that you have money. As someone who does "statistics for my day job", you sure don't seem to have a grasp of how to use statistics.
People with money live longer.
You would also find that people who drive Mercedes Benz automobiles have longer lifespans than those who don't.
The only statistic that matters is this: If you own a gun, are you and your family more or less likely to die by a gun? The answer to that one is known. Here's another: If you own a gun, is your toddler more or less likely to be killed in a gun accident? Also, If you own a gun, are you more or less likely to kill yourself?
You are welcome on my lawn.
"If I own drain cleaner, is my toddler more or less likely to be killed by ingesting it?"
You see, though, I can unclog my drains and take care to keep the drain cleaner in a secured cabinet. I don't have to throw up my hands in dismay and just accept that I have to live with a clogged drain I can't clear.
4) People who are afraid of people losing their temper or rational thinking ability while armed.
5) People who are afraid that the armed individual will lose possession/control of the gun to someone who is either reckless or intending to do harm.
In short, if you are going to be armed in public and you aren't 100% mentally stable while packing (and a large percentage of the population is at least a bit shy of that mark) AND you have the training, awareness, and physical ability to keep anyone from using your gun (or, in the alternative, you have a gun that nobody but you can fire without fiddling with it for at least a minute), then I don't want to be around you when you are armed.
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No, those guns that are "used for self defence without being fired" uses the same logic as Vaccines give autism.
The gun owner is already scared (hence the gun), and by flashing that gun, anyone they thought was suspicious (i.e. black) who ran off because they were scared of the gun owner is put down as a valid self defence, rather than the other innocent person rightly being just scared of a gun.
The gun owner feel self justified they "defended themselves" rather than "They threatened someone innocent".
I also don't like putting my safety in the hands of others, which is *exactly* why I carry a gun (I have a permit to do so). My ability to defend myself is my means of keeping my safety in my own hands, and I am willing to accept the responsibilities.
Your desire to take my gun away from me is a (legal) threat. I will do all I can to (legally) defend myself against that threat, too.
I'm pretty sure people who like having power over other people are the one's with the guns.
Odd. I own guns and I carry a gun. Can't say I want power over anyone, unless we're counting myself. I've always found it odd that the people who are most afraid of non-state actors carrying are usually the ones who also want more and more State and centralized power and authority. Thoughts?
I was raised on the command line, bitch
"Nemo me impune lacesset"
Or just ditch the gun and don't spend your life in fear.
Time makes more converts than reason
"Other people don't like being around people with guns all the time? They'd rather go out to social in environments where they don't have to be around tools specifically designed to kill and intimidate people held by strangers who clearly feel they need to have the constant threat of violence about them? People would rather not go out and have strangers with guns around themselves and their children? This can't mean there's anything wrong with my values so I'll just try to find a work around."
Get a clue people. No one likes hanging out with a nut with a gun besides another nut with a gun. Gun ownership in general is a tricky issue for me but anyone who showed up to my home or at a social event I started at a public place with a gun would never be invited back. If they had a disguised piece I'd be doubly pissed that they tried to hide it from me.
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Oh good. You're one of those people that would rather live in an environment of constant paranoia just in case that .0001 chance that having a gun in public might have a legitimate use.
Personally, I'd rather not have perpetually armed strangers around me and mine. Just the fact that you feel you need to have a tool designed specifically designed to kill and intimidate people on you at all times means I don't want you around me. It suggests a mentality I am not at all comfortable with.
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Well, that's certainly one possible interpretation.
Another interpretation (only slightly more extreme than yours) is that even prisoners and inmates of mental hospitals, being citizens, have a right to keep and bear arms - a right that is inalienable under any circumstances.
Yet another interpretation is that ONLY members of a well-regulated militia have the right to keep and bear arms. And then you can argue about the definition of 'militia' - does it mean something official like the 'National Guard', or does it mean any group of people who declare themselves to be a militia (white skinned, of course. black or brown people doing that are obviously terrorists). And, then, what does 'well-regulated' mean? does it mean subject to government regulation, or able to march in something roughly akin to a uniform.
There are lots of possible interpretations. Some more stupid than others.
Tell us, why do you carry a gun?
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Well, I kind of learned to be from adventures overseas. I had one attempted mugging in Amsterdam, one successful one in Marsellies, was shot in the leg in Bogota, and was robbed in Rio.
Sounds like you haven't a clue how to be safe overseas. I've traveled quite a lot, including to some not-so-friendly locations, and not I nor anyone I know who has traveled a lot to these places has been assaulted. Why? Because they didn't do stupid things while in a foreign country. Bad things can happen to anyone and if you get assaulted once then you can chalk that up to bad luck. It happens sometimes. But if you've been assaulted 4 times then the problem isn't them, it's you.
If you've actually been assaulted that much and you aren't just making up stories then you are doing something wrong. The common denominator is YOU and your behavior, not your lack of a weapon. The only thing that would have happened if you had a weapon in all likelihood is that either you or someone else would probably be dead or in jail right now.
Police are already claiming that you can't film them because there are guns disguised as cell phones so they have to make you put the phone away "for their safety". Of course, it's complete bullshit and they just don't want accountability.
Until now.
This is the reason the Geneva Conventions require soldiers to be dressed in uniform. When soldiers start dressing as civilians, actual civilians are harmed at a far higher rate because nobody knows who the enemy is.
Now we're giving police officers in this country plausible reason to take your cell phone because "they thought it was a gun." Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Do you have ESP?
I believe that the problem is the hopolophobes can't stand the idea of people being armed for their own defense.
No, what I believe is that 90% of humans are complete and utter morons, who can't be trusted with a firearm. They are irrationnal, moody, have mental problems (depression, mood swings, anxiety, are religious nuts, etc.)
Having a firearm at home is ok with me, but carrying it everywhere is a bad idea.
I don't know where you live, but if I lived somewhere where I would need a weapon on me at all times to feel safe, I would move out of there as soon as I could.
In fact I'm in my mid forties and so far I've never been in a situation where I needed a firearm on me. And nobody I know (friends, family, coworkers) ever talked to me about a time in their lives when they used, needed or would have needed to have a firearm on them to save their lives or get out of a bad situation.
Still, a lot of them (including me) have firearms at home for hunting, or target shooting. So we're not anti-guns wackos.
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I don't trust myself to carry a gun, because I'm an ordinary citizen without any training, and I don't want to carry the HUGE responsability that goes with the gun. I can get angry, I can loose my temper, I can take irrationnal decisions, and get scared for the wrong reasons, and all those things can get really interesting when you add a gun to the mix.
Ordinary citizens are exactly what the 2nd amendment applies to. Do you think cops aren't ordinary citizens, who happen to wear a uniform and carry a gun for their job? Many cops can't even hit the broad side of a barn, and have serious impulse control issues as well. It's time we stop pretending that they're infallible super humans, and that the rest of us aren't capable of carrying a gun without murdering someone. There are many training programs available to us lowly civilians; my county requires training before issuing a CCW, and there's nothing stopping us from getting more afterwards. It's actually a growing industry in these parts.
I do agree with your statement that is is a huge responsibility to carry in public. If you don't want that responsibility, or feel that you can't live up to it, then by all means please do not carry. I can support that 100%. However, please don't look down on those who do decide to carry as if we're not worthy of the right because you think we can't handle it either. I know a shit ton of people who can't drive, and are dangerous on the road, but I won't be the one crusading to get everyone off the streets because one of them might wind up killing me. It's just part of the risks of being alive and leaving the house. You're far more likely to be hit by someone on their cellphone than by a random stranger shooting you, especially a CCW holder.