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Intel Launches Xeon E5 v4 Family of Processors Based On Broadwell-EP (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Intel is officially launching a brand new series of Xeon processors today, the Xeon Processor E5 v4. The Xeon Processor E5 v4 family is based on Broadwell, specifically Broadwell-EP, though they are socket compatible with the previous generation v3 series. The new Xeon E5 v4 family, however, features a number of updates and enhancements. The Broadwell-EP based Xeon E5 v4, for example, is built using Intel's more advanced 14nm process node, and the largest chips can feature up to 22 processor cores (44 threads). The E5 v4 series still supports up to quad-channel DDR4 memory, but the maximum supported speed now tops out at 2400 MT/s, up from 2133 MT/s. Also, because of its additional cores, the E5-2600 v4 series now features up to 55MB of last-level cache. Support for 3D die-stacked LRDIMMs has been added too, along with DDR4 write CRC, and of course the higher speeds. Performance with a 2P dual-socket Xeon E5-2697 v4 system, with 36 total cores and 72 threads, rips through Cinebench in testing, unlike any desktop chip could. It's impressive to see in action.

42 comments

  1. More Benchmarks by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:More Benchmarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spam much? This is redundant.

    2. Re:More Benchmarks by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      WTF is up with this dual CPU benchmarking? why am i supposed to divide/multiply every test by 2 to see how fast something is?

      and just to make sure it's really stupid, include a single and quad cpu systems in the comparison. WTF?

    3. Re:More Benchmarks by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      Well, apparently you don't work with enterprise systems, or else you would be able to appreciate the benches as they are. there are many types of workloads in the enterprise and it is nice to see what kind of performance you will get in their native environment and that includes 2P systems. Many CPU's are manufactured for 2P or 4P blades/boards so their is no way to test them in single installs.

    4. Re:More Benchmarks by greenfruitsalad · · Score: 1

      whatever you say mr holmes.

      things that are nice to see and things that are useful to see are 2 completely different things.

    5. Re:More Benchmarks by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      So what's your point? Ignorance giving way to the troll?

  2. You're doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    systemd comes with its own web browser and weather modeler. Just use those, idiot!

  3. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's stopping you from using an older distro or a distro that doesn't use systemd?

  4. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EMACS has always been a better init system than scripts or systemd. I don't know what all this flap is about.

  5. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, older distros aren't maintained and don't include critical security updates. I don't know about you, but I sure as fuck will not skip OpenSSL updates these days!

    And this is why using another distro isn't an option. All of the major Linux distros now use it by default. The only ones that don't are niche distros like Slackware (which is so ancient as to be unusable today) or Gentoo (I'm not waiting a week for a basic installation to compile). Hacking and mangling a Debian installation isn't a viable option, either.

    The only hope we have is for Intel to release their own Linux distro that doesn't include systemd.

  6. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really should be using NEC vector processors for your hobby. That's only 420W per processor/memory board, with 16 channel of DDR2000 for four cores at 1GHz. Oh, all your systemd and Firefox problems would be swept away at once, I promise!

  7. more cores = more licenses by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

    with everyone going to per core licensing this is just going to be another money pit. we run SQL on 12 cores and don't really need them all. we get more bang from more cache on the CPU than more cores

    1. Re:more cores = more licenses by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      with everyone going to per core licensing this is just going to be another money pit

      In what dreary, greedy, thieving, get-rich-quick capitalistic world is "everyone" going to per core licensing? Debian does not cost per core. Apache does not cost per core. PostgreSQL does not cost per core. In fact none of them cost you anything at all.

    2. Re:more cores = more licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a multi-hosted box, don't charge me based on what hardware I have. If a vendor is going to be assholes about it, at least provide me a license file that cripples the application to whatever thread-count you want me to pay for. But otherwise, fuck off for charging me a resource I have but wont use for your application!

    3. Re:more cores = more licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Goddammit! My kingdom for some fucking mod points!

    4. Re:more cores = more licenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I dont understand why you think a high core count is bad, not everyone wants a high clock speed and large cache based CPU. For highly contended VM setups this kind of lower clock massive core count CPU is perfect.

    5. Re:more cores = more licenses by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      You know how they say playing the lottery is a tax on being stupid? Why would you offer flat-rate pricing when you have customers that will roll over and take it?

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  8. Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by steveha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Mac Pro is now ridiculously stale. ("Days since last release: 833")

    I've read articles speculating that Apple might be re-designing the Mac Pro again as many of its intended users are disappointed that it has no internal expansion at all. So Apple could be sitting on a design refresh, waiting for these new chips.

    I even read speculation that Apple would cancel the Mac Pro product line, but IMHO that is very unlikely. Apple sells a lot more notebooks than Mac Pros, but I just can't see Apple walking away from a very high-margin product.

    So now that there are refreshed Xeons, maybe we will see a refreshed Mac Pro.

    P.S. I was surprised that Apple didn't release a standard enclosure for lots of hard drives or whatever. You should have your Mac Pro and then one box with one cord, rather than a half-dozen boxes and a half-dozen cords. But I guess Apple left that for third parties such as Sonnet. I watched the video for that Sonnet product I linked... it said that Sonnet followed Apple's guidelines for how to best mount a Mac Pro. Therefore, Apple has guidelines for third party vendors for Mac Pro mounting products.

    Even so, it's amazing how complicated the Sonnet enclosure has to be to solve the problem. Thunderbolt connectors can pop out, so they invented a retaining device that uses a bolt to keep the plug in. You need to run multiple Thunderbolt cables inside the box. And they said they were not able to offer a passthrough for Thunderbolt because Thunderbolt won't work with one (they didn't elaborate, something about needing active circuits on both ends of the connection, but I don't know why that rules out a passthrough).

    And oh boy is that an expensive way to go: buy an expensive Mac Pro, then spend another $1500 on the enclosure.

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    1. Re:Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The mini is also in a laughable state. Too bad Apple isn't taking all that money to make something useful.

      For now, I've sold the problem of Mac Pro by building something similar DYI-style for half the price or less. I just SSH to it from my Macbook Pro, my final Apple computer.

    2. Re:Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Mac Pro is now ridiculously stale. ("Days since last release: 833")

      Apple has been letting all of their computer products go stale (they're almost all red and 'Don't Buy' on the buyer's guide http://buyersguide.macrumors.c...). I've been waiting for a substantial macbook pro or even air upgrade for awhile now and even at the March announcements when I hoped for Skylake CPU upgrade announcements...nothing.

      It seems to me that Apple's priorities are phones and tablets and that anything that isn't a phone or a tablet just doesn't have their focus at the moment. Maybe because we can get by on the very stale but still very usable hardware that we bought years ago without actually NEEDING a hardware refresh, or maybe phones and tablets just generate relatively more profit for them. I don't know.

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    3. Re:Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Watch for an A8-based tablet with a "Mac Mode" and KVM expansion at this or the next WWDC. Almost nobody needs a Mac Pro, relative to Apple's market share. At $800 billion or whatever, the margins don't matter to them - what matters is the opportunity cost of having those (excellent) engineers not working on products that many more people will purchase.

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    4. Re:Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason no one needs a Mac Pro is because they stopped making Mac Pro's that people who need workstations would want. They basically turned their workstation model into a MacMini + and destroyed their market.they no longer compete in the workstation market so the Mac Pro doesn't really have a place it fits in.

    5. Re:Will Apple finally ship a new Mac Pro? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Apple has been letting all of their computer products go stale (they're almost all red and 'Don't Buy' on the buyer's guide http://buyersguide.macrumors.c... I've been waiting for a substantial macbook pro or even air upgrade for awhile now and even at the March announcements when I hoped for Skylake CPU upgrade announcements...nothing.

      It seems to me that Apple's priorities are phones and tablets and that anything that isn't a phone or a tablet just doesn't have their focus at the moment. Maybe because we can get by on the very stale but still very usable hardware that we bought years ago without actually NEEDING a hardware refresh, or maybe phones and tablets just generate relatively more profit for them. I don't know.

      Both, actually. Apple concentrates on the profit centers for obvious reasons - and lets stuff that doesn't make as much money go a bit staler. It's why iPhones get updated regularly, iPads less so (less tablets shipping, less profit, which is why the iPad Air 3 ("iPad Pro 9.7", but really, it's a 3rd gen Air) was only just now updated), iPods haven't been updated since forever. Macs at least get some updates, but you are correct in that they also aren't heavy movers, and really are "good enough" right now and I'm sure the general population also feels the same.

      There is a direct correlation between update frequency and revenues...

  9. Re: Can Intel help fix the problematic software no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You still have three years full patches and support on Ubuntu 14.04; five years on RHEL 6 ignoring the extended support options.

  10. RedHat / CentOS 6. No systemd, updates until 2024 by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A long term stable distribution might fit your needs better than a bleeding-edge distro like Fedora. For example Red Hat 6 (aka CentOS) doesn't have systemd and it will get security updates for eight more years. It will get updates for new hardware and other general updates through 2020, four more years.

  11. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slackware ancient ? unusable ?

  12. Base system $3000-$3500 maybe with 2 cpus by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Base system $3000-$3500 maybe with 2 cpus.

    They don't have the pci-e lanes to have 3 TB 3 buses with 2 video cards Now if they have 2 cpus then they have 2 storage slots + 2 video cards + 3-6 TB 3 buses.

  13. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 2

    >I'd like to use an Intel Linux distro that was really stable and could let me use Intel hardware to its full potential.

    I think they thought of that: https://clearlinux.org/

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  14. Re:RedHat / CentOS 6. No systemd, updates until 20 by fnj · · Score: 1

    Where did you pull 8 more years out of? CentOS6 only gets full updates through 2017. Security errata and SELECT mission critical bug fixes through 2020. That's emphatically NOT support for new hardware.

  15. BogoMIPS please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks in advance.

  16. Is it still gimped? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Is it still so horrendously gimped in the memory handling that I can't run a 4S/4GPU configured node, and am stuck with 2S/3GPU nodes instead as my best option?

    If so, no dice for me.

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  17. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in other words you're too stupid to keep your system patched without a package manager...get a Mac or a Windows box.

  18. RH 6 extended life BEGINS Nov 30, 2020 by raymorris · · Score: 2

    With the change to longer life cycles, the production phase ends on November 30, 2020 and the four-year extended support period goes to 2024.
    https://access.redhat.com/supp...

    You are correct that new hardware support will not be added as long as I indicated. However, GP specifically said security updates, and there are 8 more years of important security updates, including four years left in the ten-year "production" phase.

  19. It's about time!!! by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 1

    I've been trying to buy them for weeks! The performance is impressive, though.

  20. Re:RedHat / CentOS 6. No systemd, updates until 20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, older distros aren't maintained and don't include critical security updates.

    That's emphatically NOT support for new hardware.

    Mind putting those goalposts down?

  21. Apple refreshes depend on Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Mac Pro is now ridiculously stale. ("Days since last release: 833")

    Apple has been letting all of their computer products go stale (they're almost all red and 'Don't Buy' on the buyer's guide http://buyersguide.macrumors.c...). I've been waiting for a substantial macbook pro or even air upgrade for awhile now and even at the March announcements when I hoped for Skylake CPU upgrade announcements...nothing.

    Apple used to be beholden to the refresh cycle of PowerPC, which was mostly controlled by IBM/Motorolla. Now it's beholden to Intel--and Intel has had general process and release delays over the last little while.

    Apple's iOS-based stuff can be refreshed more frequently (annually?) because it controls the entire stack, including the silicon. While Apple controls most of the stack with Macs, certain things (notable CPUs) are not with-in their purview.

    1. Re:Apple refreshes depend on Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no reason Apple needs to wait for Intel to release new CPU's, they can always go with the same CPU and refresh the other components if they had to. Of course, the whole argument is bunk anyway. The Mac Pro is still using Ivy Bridge processors, which are what, 3 generations old now? It's starting to look like 2005 again, when Macs were hilariously underspeced and overpriced. Except now, there's really no excuse.

      At this point, the only real reason to buy a Mac computer is to develop apps for iOS, which is the only thing Apple really cares about. They should just release Xcode for Windows/Linux and kill off their computer line. They could make a iOS Surface clone to replace the MacBook. The fanboys would eat it all up, everyone else would just keep buying PCs.

  22. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by mattventura · · Score: 1

    1. Install debian
    2. apt-get install sysvinit-core

  23. Re:Can Intel help fix the problematic software now by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Slackware has the potential to be one of the most up to date distros. Since you are basically the package manager, you can install whatever version you want. It's up to you, really.