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Grieving Father is Begging Apple to Unlock His Dead Son's iPhone (mirror.co.uk)

"A grieving father is begging Apple to allow him access to the photos stored on his dead son's iPhone," reports Time. In September Leonardo Fabbretti's adopted son died of bone cancer at age 13, and the father believes that two months of photographs are still stored on his son's iPhone. Last fall Apple staff attempted to retrieve the photos from their cloud-storage service, but the iPhone hadn't been synced before the 13-year-old's death. "Don't deny me the memories of my son," the father writes in a letter to Apple CEO Tim Cook. The father's letter tells Apple that "Although I share your philosophy in general, I think Apple should offer solutions for exceptional cases like mine," according to a British newspaper, while 88% of respondents in their online poll believed that Apple should unlock the phone.

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  1. Sorry, no exceptions to mathematics. by danaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Boo hoo, my emotions are more important than the whole world's privacy."

    Sorry, there is literally no way for Apple to build into a phone or an OS a way to unlock it for situations like this that won't also be vulnerable to governments and hackers.

    If you never see your son's photos, that will be sad for you.

    If Apple actually makes the changes required to make it possible for people like you to get in to phones like these regularly, that will be devastating for all iPhone users everywhere.

    Dan Aris

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    1. Re:Sorry, no exceptions to mathematics. by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure there's a way. The owner of the phone could voluntarily use an Apple-provided key escrow service. If you buy an iPhone for your son, register a recovery key with Apple. If you buy iPhones for your employees, keep a recovery key for your company. If you buy an iPhone for yourself, and don't want a recovery key, don't register one; but don't cry to Apple if you lose your passcode.

      If the police have a warrant, they can demand the escrowed password, if one exists, because it's no longer 'personal' once it's shared. That's part of the conditions of using an escrow service.

      Does that make the escrow service a giant target for hackers and the NSA? Sure. Want to avoid that risk? Don't escrow your password. Your choice.

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    2. Re:Sorry, no exceptions to mathematics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, you don't understand what's going on here, but would rather post bullshit than educate yourself.

      You can't crack one phone and restrict the crack to that phone. Any technique or tool that works on one phone will work on all phones running the same hardware/software environment.

      Secondly, we have nothing against that. We do have something against backdoors and weaknesses being introduced or perpetuated to facilitate such cracking activities.

      Lastly, you're an idiot, a 3rd party company doesn't control the security of the platform. There's a huge conflict of interest involved when you're both responsible for securing the device and responsible for cracking it on demand. Having 3rd party do the cracking is the best possible compromise as it doesn't impair the patches and security updates and represents no conflict of interest.

      Like I said, educate yourself, because you're making yourself look like a fucking dumb ass.

    3. Re:Sorry, no exceptions to mathematics. by NicBenjamin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The FBI hacked the San Bernardino phone already. That means the FBI/NSA/etc. have the ability to hack pretty much any 5c, themselves, with a rubber-stamp warrant (if they plan on using the evidence in Court), or no oversight whatsoever (if they're only planning on droning their poor victim) on any 5c (and from Apple's court filings, a hack that worked on the 5c was uncomfortably likely to work on more recent models as well).

      What are the odds the guy who sold the hack to the FBI isn't in negotiations with the Chinese, the Russians, the Angolans, the Emiratis, etc.?

      Apple won the battle they actually chose to fight (they weren't forced to hack their own tech), but they lost the battle for iPhone 5c privacy completely. By saying no to this guy they protect nothing because there is nothing left to protect.

    4. Re: Sorry, no exceptions to mathematics. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And once they get the photos maybe they will realize that photos are nearly valueless when compared to memories of shared times together.

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  2. No by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The right to privacy doesn't end at death.

    1. Re:No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      in some situations, privacy rights of the deceased are gone... HOWEVER... OUR right to privacy doesn't end with someone ELSE'S death.

      apple has policy in place for these circumstances. if they couldn't provide the desired data because said data didn't exist in 'the cloud' then it's NOT apple's fault, nor the fault of the device protections. perhaps the should have communicated with his dying son -- he had cancer, they both KNEW his health was in danger -- and made sure parents could access all of the son's online assets. that is just Will Prep 101 in a digital world.

  3. Have you all lost your minds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where is Spock when you need him?

    This elevation of blubbering hysteria to a right that defeats all laws and principles is pathetic. The same thing happened with Google's Mic Drop Send feature, screamy proles demanding apologies.

    Do people not play board games any more? You're supposed to look one or two moves ahead, even if it's just checkers.

    Finally, "exceptional cases like mine," except that it isn't an exceptional case. It's an emotional case. It's a _less_ exceptional case than the last one where they refused.

  4. I don't believe it for a second by ModernGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is obviously the government trying to sway public support, the entire story being a red herring.

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    1. Re:I don't believe it for a second by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they will try ANY and EVERYTHING to pull at our heart-strings.

      "PLEASE!!! we have a REAL reason this time! oh, pretty please with sugar on top??"

      my god, this is pathetic. while its understandable that the 'issue' here is upsetting, it may not be real - and even if its real, its still a privacy attach by you-know-who against the rest of us.

      the governments are showing their true colors right now. some level of evil that we have not even seen on villian/superhero style movies.

      they will keep at it, trying to emotion-us into giving them total panopticon powers. we have to stay vigilent and refuse every attempt to destoy privacy via 'emotional cases' like this.

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    2. Re:I don't believe it for a second by amxcoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This was my first knee-jerk reaction as well. Right after they couldn't win a court case involving the same thing, it's convienient that now a personal more heart touching request is being made by a non-government agency. This raised red-flags immediately when I read.

      While I feel for the guy, and understand the reason behind his request, my next logical reaction was "why didn't you get the password from your son before he passed away?". If it was a sudden, unexpected death, like a car accident or something then I understand not having plans for that, but this was cancer... he had time (maybe little, maybe a lot (while for the family, not enough time in general), but there WAS time to get that info from him while he was alive. Or to have the son take his password off the phone so it was unlocked and not protected at all.

      I understand when a family is going through something like this, they don't want to think of all the things that need to be done on a rational level, but this proves that you still have to think of and deal with issues while you can if you are going to consider them important after the fact.

  5. Re:minor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then he should have known the password and made sure it was synced properly.

    It also doesn't matter who legally owns the phone, since Apple is UNABLE to unlock it.

    I used to work for a carrier, we'd have to tell people to wipe their phone all the time when they didn't know the password.

  6. This, even with this whopper of a fallacy by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, my condolences to the father. My kid is in college now, but I would have taken his phone away if he locked me out of it. Why? Trust is always a two way street. Sadly many people neglect that fact, which results in issues like TFA is appealing and a massive amount of social problems. Your kid giving you the password does not indicate that you have to use it, and in a healthy relationship the parent would not even have to ask. The parent not using the password to snoop is the opposite direction on that two way street. Parents need to learn that lesson, or continue down the same old path of "I can't access my kids phone after something happened to them.", and "I never knew my kid was on drugs.", and "I never knew they were seeing an older person which led to something bad.", etc.. etc.. you get the point.

    The reason I called this a whopper of a fallacy is that it's an appeal to emotion on a massive scale (child, death, personal loss, disease). No matter how many appeals to emotion you stack up, it's still an appeal to emotion and fallacious argument.

    The fact that this massive appeal comes from an adult reeks of propaganda. Adults are often foolish enough to attempt to use an appeal, but media is usually better about not using them when they are so obvious. If it's a legit person and request, I can hope that they learn to rationalize their thoughts and then teach others to do the same.

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    1. Re:This, even with this whopper of a fallacy by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you will be called names (like I was, in my similar post).

      those who try to get their way (gov shills, mostly, trying to erode the actual discussion, here, with noise and distraction) will keep at it and pick at OUR emotions.

      don't weaken, brothers! we have to stay strong and not allow those who would destroy what little privacy we still have left, for their personal power-grab needs.

      it does not matter WHAT emotional-tug reasons they give. we have to stay strong and ignore any insults they throw at us.

      when they start name-calling, you know they have run out of any rational arguments to support their cause. this is all they have and we need to be smarter about it so that we don't get USED like we got used during the US patriot act. they played us like fools and we have still not recovered from that trainwreck of a law.

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  7. Re:Apple needs to stand up to the FBI... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if the kid, knowing he was going to die soon, did not export or 'share' his photos, why do you think the father has as right to them?

    this was not a sudden car crash. they knew this was going to happen and the father did not get the son to open his phone for him, to at least send over the things that -should- be shared?

    how is this a problem that should be solved by the world; and not a parent-and-son-ONLY problem?

    we feel for you. but asking now is, well, a bit of poor planning. and no, the world does not just simply weaken its security because of emotional appeals.

    the 'patriot act' was done 100% on emotional apppeal, and look where THAT got us! nothing good came from patriot act. and nothing good EVER comes from laws or policies based on pure emotion.

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  8. What have we become by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Don't deny me the memories of my son,"

    What the actual fuck?

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  9. Re:Apple needs to stand up to the FBI... by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's called, "you give your code to your parents unless you can afford your OWN $500 phone and your own $50 a month cellphone plan and can sign a contract yourself"...

    Boo Hoo all you under 18 kiddies.. you don't get privacy until you can pay for it yourself. Life sucks get used to it.

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  10. Re:Apple needs to stand up to the FBI... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    fuck off and die.

    those who would weaken security for 'think of the children!' bullshit deserve nothing.

    peddle your FUD elsewhere. we're not buying it. we've been thru this too many times to be fooled by this tactic again.

    ever see the liberty statue? there's a blindfold there for a reason, mate.

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  11. Re:Trust, but verify by brantondaveperson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The boy was thirteen. That's not very old, and in my opinion not old enough to own a device with bullet-proof industrial-grade security that admits the parents literally no possibility of access. Children deserve privacy, and thirteen is still very much a child, but they still live in the house, and their parents are still legally responsible for many of their actions.

    I have all my kids passwords, and unlock codes, and security questions, and iCloud keychain passcodes, and so on, securely stored elsewhere. This is mostly because children can't be relied upon to remember passwords, but also because they are my responsibility, and so their data is my responsibility too.