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Mexico City Plans Car-Driving Ban To Fight Air Pollution (csmonitor.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Mexico City plans to implement a car-driving ban from April 5 to June 30 in an effort to fight high air pollution levels. Under the city's new program, all privately owned cars must remain off streets one day per week as well as one additional Saturday per month. The initiative comes after the city issued a four-day air quality alert on March 14, after the city experienced air pollution at double the national acceptance level. "The definitive 'no circulation' program will align with the new rule for vehicular verification that will be presented soon," tweeted federal Environment Secretary Rafael Pacchiano. "In addition to the car ban, the commission is also working on medium-term solutions like improving public transport."

90 comments

  1. This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might as well try to ban breathing! That'd have some success.

    1. Re:This will never work! by XXongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many cities have banned driving in the city center. It's quite nice, actually.

    2. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with OP. Banning breathing has two positives. First, people don't have to breath in the smog, so they can quit bitching about it. Second, they aren't expelling CO2 all over the place, which saves the environment (apparently). It's like I have always said... there isn't a single problem today that can't be solved by just eliminating the human race.

    3. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem like a simple automated solution would be a good idea for this. Combining GPS location gathering with a simple encrypted "kill" chip for the ECM would enable authorities to remotely disallow cars from driving on the car free days inside the target area. It could even allow a driver emergency override that allows the car to function, but alerts authorities to the vehicles location along with the fact it's in an emergency override status so that they could respond. With all the technology that goes into modern vehicles this could almost be added as an afterthought, with very little impact on price. In a place like Mexico City that is prone to natural disasters such as earthquakes, this capability could also be leveraged to assist organized evacuations rather than mass panic and everyone trying to flee the city at once.

    4. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd prefer to ban anonymous idiots. They spew out lots of IP (== Intellectual Pollution).

    5. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a fine example you have set. ...Being an anonymous idiot, that is.

    6. Re:This will never work! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      OR they could just have the police issue tickets to drivers in the affected areas and confiscate their vehicles. Amazing!

    7. Re:This will never work! by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It would seem like a simple automated solution would be a good idea for this. Combining GPS location gathering with a simple encrypted "kill" chip for the ECM would enable authorities to remotely disallow cars from driving on the car free days inside the target area. It could even allow a driver emergency override that allows the car to function, but alerts authorities to the vehicles location along with the fact it's in an emergency override status so that they could collect their bribes.

      FTFY. There's a reason why for anything really important Mexico has to deploy their army instead of relying on local, or even federal, police.

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    8. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You moron. You know what plants need to survive? That's right, CO2. You can whine all day about global warming wah wah wah but in the end of the day, CO2 is actually good for plants, which support ecosystems worldwide. And if you're that concerned about global warming, how about instead of taxing me again (while the poor and ultra rich pay nothing again) plant a fucking tree or two.

    9. Re:This will never work! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a good thing, when coupled with affordable, functional public transport, or a city layout which does not depend upon it, sans food deserts and the like. I've never been to Mexico City, so I wouldn't know how many neighborhoods would be adversely affected, and which would get along just fine.

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    10. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would never be abused, right!

    11. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been this way for years but help help curb traffic jams. Plates ending in 0/1 banned on Monday 2/3 banned on Tuesday.

      What happened was people bought cars with different day alignments, since plates come with the car.

      Now if the ban cooking gas. That would really help.

    12. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woosh, right over your head

    13. Re:This will never work! by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More cities should take a page from Buffalo New York's idea to reduce driving downtown. First, you take the world's most useless mass transit company and you populate it exclusively with degenerate idiots who don't know a schedule from the skid marks on their uniform. You then make it mandatory that they be constantly ever present as an impediment to traffic, yet always late picking up anyone at the designated bus stops by offsetting the actual bus pickup times from the published schedule by roughly fifteen minutes. Complement this with a train system that is a standalone joke all by itself: ( http://metro.nfta.com/Routes/p... ) That crooked line on the right side of page two is the entire transit line, it's less than ten miles total. Once you get downtown, you'll want to drop rotaries at every other intersection all of them bracketed by traffic lights and some of them with traffic lights actually inside them (I wish I was making that part up). Allow all commercial parking lots to collude and fix prices based on locally occurring events and make sure that every other street is a single lane one way only. Oh remember that transit company from before? We're going to allow them to hire a representative of these same parking companies as a C level employee because what the hell does "conflict of interest" really mean anyway? To top it all off, just in case some individual has the patience of a saint, you'll want to help yourself to a generous portion of government housing right in the middle of everything to make damn sure that the infrastructure is inadequate for the population for the population density. And to ensure a constant stream of harassment from cracked out bums at every corner, why not place two thirds of the cities methadone clinics right there next to your commercially viable property along the main traffic routes and within stumbling distance of everything that anyone might want to go to. This city needs a reset button.

    14. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many Mexican cars even have an ECM. I know that they're not quite as old as say in Cuba where it's actually illegal for private citizens to own a car newer than model year 1959, but even so there are many very old vehicles still on the roads in Mexico and it wouldn't surprise me if substantial numbers of them were still (a) carbureted and (b) lacking electronic engine control.

    15. Re:This will never work! by houghi · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. What happens in many cities where they started to ban cars as much as possible, stores started closing as many people would rather go to places where they are able to park for free.

      Unless there is excellent free parking AND free transport from the parking, people are willing to come. Otherwise they will come, but way less. So for the people living in the city (like me) it is nice. For the stores and people not living in the city, not so much.

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    16. Re:This will never work! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      They might as well try to ban breathing! That'd have some success.

      I suppose it depends on how it is implemented.

      If the city picks the dates and bans all private cars from the roads during those dates... this is absolutely enforceable.

      If they let people pick their own dates... not enforceable.

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    17. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They might as well try to ban breathing! That'd have some success.

      It will happen if it makes enough progressives feel good about themselves. They'll call it the "Fair Breathing Act."

    18. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your definition of "ban"? I'm aware of very few cases where they've completely blocked off traffic to downtown but I've seen some cases where they limited access to the city centers to buses/government/taxis. Basically those with wealth or influence get easy access, everyone else has to hope the bus route goes somewhere near where they want to be on a schedule that they can work with.

    19. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree the world is on fire... I'm just not sure that the christian science monitor is a reliable source.
      Main problem is mexico city is that public transportation and goods transportation is not regularized. Most of the private cars are ok while the bus throws out blacl clouds every time the driver hits the gas.
      Theres no way to fix this with the ongoing corruption level

    20. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite the name, CSM is a very respected, non-sensational news source, especially in foreign affairs. They run one Christian science story a day but are definitely not a religious paper.

    21. Re: This will never work! by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Let me help you with that one. WOOSH!

      Only took me the first 15 words to figure out the humor.

    22. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Cuban citizens can own cars newer than that, but imports of American cars stopped in 1959. There are tons of eastern European and Asian cars all over Cuba. Many of the 50s and older American cars have parts transplanted from the Soviet Zils and whatnot to keep them going tool.

    23. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "Christian" Science Monitor is associated with "The Church of Christ, Scientist" - which is not Christian at all; it is widely recognized as a non-Christian cult whose beliefs have little to no genuine connection to the contents of the Bible.

      It is basically gnostic in character, denying physical reality and asserting that the human mind has ultimate power over everything around it. This belief is taken to such an extreme that sickness and death are considered to be an illusion which may be overcome by disciplining the mind, without the need of doctors, medicine, or even the supernatural intervention of a personal God. Likewise, sin and evil are considered to be invalid concepts, to be overcome simply by firmly denying their existence.

      The cult also denies such basic and essential Biblical teachings as the personal nature of God, the deity and physical reality of Jesus Christ, His actual death on the cross, and the bodily resurrection.

    24. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cult also denies such basic and essential Biblical teachings as the personal nature of God, the deity and physical reality of Jesus Christ, His actual death on the cross, and the bodily resurrection.

      That all sounds remarkably self-consistent for a religion. There's always been a bit of an appeal to gnosticism, anyway. The description of the Abrahamic god as the demiurge is also pretty spot-on.

      If you actually listen to what Jesus (was supposed to have) said, instead of fixating on his holiness and death, it's not that inconsistent with the "The Church of Christ, Scientist" message. If you, like Bruce Lee's "finger pointing away to the moon", just "concentrate on the finger... you'll miss all the heavenly glory". If being not Christian at all means taking away from mindlessly worshipping him to listen to what he's saying, then I think he'd approve of non-Christians more than Christians.

    25. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is talking about Mexico CITY not Mexico the country, so the rules that we drive old clunkers all over the country apply different. In Mexico city there is supposedly regulation that makes check your personal car for pollution or with a special permit mark it as a classic. Mexico city already has a no driving this car one day of the week rule. Depending on the plates is the day of the week you can't drive the car. They news is that they want to expand it. Wealthy people currently buy another car with different day of the week restrictions.

      Don't get me wrong we have cars that pollute a lot all over the country, it's a real problem in Mexico city because the mountains keep the smog in. On other places it's not as bad but it's getting there like in Monterrey.

    26. Re: This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're a lot more reliable than the NYT or washington post.

    27. Re:This will never work! by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Most people in Mexico city use the public transport, and it is quite cheap. But as functional as it is, it is a *lot* of people to move around. I was there for a few weeks and traveling in rush our is a interesting experience to say the least. I was there during the world cup and my hostel was right next to central square where a lot of people came to watch the 3rd game. So if anything it would have been more busy than average. It was manageable and a lot better than my experience of some US cities (exception NY). But not as good as Europe.

      But it is so many people.....

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    28. Re:This will never work! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why for anything really important Mexico has to deploy their army instead of relying on local, or even federal, police.

      Yeah, you want to use the military when you collect the really big bribes.

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    29. Re:This will never work! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had two cars, often would drive them both the same day, so we never stopped driving even those days. But when we did use the wrong car motorcyclists would magically know and jump up heavy trying to take the car with two or get a bribe or both if possible. There was no direct evident change in either the density of traffic or air quality, so things remained the same for all practical purposes.

    30. Re: This will never work! by Phoghat · · Score: 1

      Put your head between your knees, and take slow breaths

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  2. Mexico city toll bypass rates can go up now by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Mexico city toll bypass rates can go up now but keep under what a bribe to a local cop will be.

    1. Re:Mexico city toll bypass rates can go up now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't bribe your way out of the "no circulation" program, sure you can bribe cops, and transit cops are like fucking bribe vending machines, but you would have to bribe *every* transit cop in your way, and cameras that issue tickets automatically.

  3. Inaccurate summary. by Roadmaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, without RTFA, the summary is misleading. It makes it appear like this program is a novel thing that has never been done.

    In reality, Mexico City has been keeping a percentage of vehicles off the road for pollution fighting purposes since 1989. Vehicles stay off the road one working day per week according to their license plate's last digit.

    Newer (10 years old or newer) cars were allowed to drive every day. Also, while all cars have to pass mandatory emmissions control, that had no effect on whether they could be on the road (so for instance, a newer but more polluting car would be able to go out every day while an older, potentially less-polluting car would have to stay home one day a week).

    Earlier this year a court mandated that the permit to be on the road daily should be tied to the car passing emmissions control. More cars on the road are part of the reason why pollution levels reached a high-enough level to prompt the government to remove all exceptions to the program and have all cars, irrespective of age and pollutant output, stay home one day a week.

    Incidentally, this program is part of the reason why there are so many cars in Mexico City: faced with the prospect of not being able to use the car once a week,many families bought a second car to also have coverage on the first car's off-the-road day.

    1. Re:Inaccurate summary. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Increasingly there's another way to get around these days when you are banned from a city centre, or have to pay pollution justified tolls. Other than running a second car.

      Drive an electric car. They're usually exempt. (Not sure specifically about Mexico City, but most places.)

    2. Re:Inaccurate summary. by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been to Mexico City and the program doesn't work. Middle-class families just have an extra car and take the correct one based on the day of the week. It only penalizes poor people.

    3. Re:Inaccurate summary. by tsqr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It only penalizes poor people.

      If the goal is to maximize the number of cars kept from operating, discriminating against the poor might be the most effective measure. Given Mexico's minimum wage of $5.00/day and the country's level of income inequality (ranked worst among OECD countries), poor people greatly outnumber the rest of the population.

    4. Re:Inaccurate summary. by gwolf · · Score: 2

      I live in Mexico City, have lived here for most of my life.

      It does help. A lot. Of course, in my opinion, at least.

      Buying a second car is not so much of a problem, but for many, finding where to park it every night would be an important deal. Also, paying ~MX$500 (nowadays, roughly US$25-30) for the twice-a-year verification, plus many other recurring costs, can seem like negligible – But it's not.

      I believe I am in the middle to upper-middle class socioeconomic group. Still, I make close to the minimal wage in the USA or Europe. Of course, life expenses are correspondingly way cheaper than what it is there; I am quite happy getting around US$20,000 a year; I get to travel quite a bit, and have enough financial security. But that does not make me want to have a second car. Much less (root forbid!) going everywhere by car. We do have a good, although quite overcrowded, mass transit system. Yes, I now have two babies, and we have decided many times not to go to places we would want to because it's plainly uncomfortable to move with all of the needed gear — but that would be the case regardless of the way to get there.

    5. Re:Inaccurate summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We did the exact same thing to get around a similar program in the Philippines. Cars are not that expensive.

    6. Re:Inaccurate summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duh, if not for the ban, they would use both cars each day, so it still helps

    7. Re:Inaccurate summary. by gwolf · · Score: 1

      Nice to read you, old friend! ;-)

      Just adding to your comment: This program has yielded great results since 1989. You can check daily graphs showing the amount of different pollutants over time. I do remember the early 1990s as being terrible. Our air nowadays is mostly-OK... But yes, over 25 years have passed since this program started, and it should be reviewed for the city's newer reality.

    8. Re:Inaccurate summary. by Alomex · · Score: 1

      poor people greatly outnumber the rest of the population.

      Except that they don't. Mexico is now about evenly divided between working class and middle class:

      Mexicoâ(TM)s middle class 47% of households

      http://mexiconewsdaily.com/new...

    9. Re:Inaccurate summary. by NetNed · · Score: 1

      Also the program doesn't work because it's the factories of Mexico City that create all the pollution. PR stunt is all it is.

    10. Re:Inaccurate summary. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      We do have a good, although quite overcrowded, mass transit system.

      Wait for the third train. It's almost always empty.

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    11. Re:Inaccurate summary. by tsqr · · Score: 1

      poor people greatly outnumber the rest of the population.

      Except that they don't. Mexico is now about evenly divided between working class and middle class:

      Mexicoâ(TM)s middle class 47% of households

      http://mexiconewsdaily.com/new...

      According to the linked article, fully half of this so-called middle class do not own a vehicle. This flies in the face of the contention that middle-class families will simply buy a second car to work around the restriction. On the other hand, if they don't own a vehicle, the restrictions won't have much of an impact, will they? And I'm guessing it's probably safe to assume that if half the middle class families don't own cars, then car ownership is even lower in the poorer-than-middle-class demographic.

    12. Re:Inaccurate summary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, they just need to have a driving "Sabbath" and generally ban driving one day a week -- probably would do the most good in dealing with pollution since it would give the area vegetation (what little there is) 12-16 hours to actually catch up.

  4. Reputable source, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't we pick a more reputable source than the Christian Science Monitor? Geez, this is Slashdot! We don't need articles from the Church of Christ, Scientist, which believes that prayer heals sickness and generally opposes medical treatment. Keep in mind that members of this group have been prosecuted when their children die from being denied medical treatment for otherwise treatable conditions. What's next? Articles from the Flat Earth Society? The Journal of Irreproducible Results? The Onion?

    1. Re:Reputable source, please by omnichad · · Score: 2

      The summary links to three sources. Is that not enough for you?

    2. Re:Reputable source, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I consider The Onion and Something Awful to be more reputable than most mainstream media in the USA

    3. Re:Reputable source, please by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Couldn't we pick a more reputable source than the Christian Science Monitor? Geez, this is Slashdot! We don't need articles from the Church of Christ, Scientist, which believes that prayer heals sickness and generally opposes medical treatment. Keep in mind that members of this group have been prosecuted when their children die from being denied medical treatment for otherwise treatable conditions. What's next? Articles from the Flat Earth Society? The Journal of Irreproducible Results? The Onion?

      The CSM is actually known and respected for it's objectivity and relative lack of sensationalism, especially on such topics as the Middle East. It's religious aspect was always kept to a single article in the daily version. I would assume they still keep it very limited with their web/weekly publishing. In fact my grandmother was a Christian Scientist and they seem to be about the least evangelical and proselytizing of pretty much any Christian denomination.

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    4. Re:Reputable source, please by ancientt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People really don't care about the quality of journalism, they just want brand names they can pledge their loyalty to. The CSM is a highly respected organization that does good research and reporting.

      Anybody who assumes the organization is as messed up as the religious dogma has no credibility themselves.

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    5. Re:Reputable source, please by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The CSM is a highly respected organization that does good research and reporting

      I agree with you, but that's a wasted argument to the parent poster.

    6. Re:Reputable source, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Christian science monitor is actually a rather reputable source, that is not all that religious. Especially considering they have won seven freaking Pulitzer.

      The CSM is a newspaper that covers international and United States current events. The paper includes a daily religious feature on "The Home Forum" page, but states the publication is not a platform for evangelizing.[2]

      Despite its name, the Monitor does not claim to be a religious-themed paper, and says it does not promote the doctrine of its patron church. However, at its founder Eddy's request, a daily religious article has appeared in every issue of the Monitor. Eddy also required the inclusion of "Christian Science" in the paper's name, over initial opposition by some of her advisors who thought the religious reference might repel a secular audience.[2]

      The paper has been known for avoiding sensationalism, producing a "distinctive brand of nonhysterical journalism".[6][7]

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Christian_Science_Monitor

    7. Re:Reputable source, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, 3 sources, but not one of them actually describes the ban. I'm left with another commenter here who says that it stops you driving one day of the week, based on your license plate's final digit. That is the only limitation I could devise, but it is nice to have confirmation. It also tells me that my household wouldn't be horribly affected, since we have two cars with differing numbers, so I could probably just shift to a different vehicle. (not that I'm in Mexico, but whatever)

      While I do have some respect for CSM, in general the rise of the Internet has corresponded with a decline in editing & quality of journalism. It just seems like there should be a second set of eyes (with some curiosity behind them) that requires, "maybe revise this and include some details".

    8. Re:Reputable source, please by chihowa · · Score: 1

      In fact my grandmother was a Christian Scientist and they seem to be about the least evangelical and proselytizing of pretty much any Christian denomination.

      The theology is pretty weird, but it's more or less a gnostic Christianity that deemphasizes the supplication and authority worship of mainstream Christianity. The rejection of medicine can be disastrous and the founder was a nut, but it doesn't seem any crazier than any other religion.

      My grandfather was one, too, which makes sense in the context of him being a highly independent and intelligent man in a time where religion was pretty much a required part of people's life (ie, he had to pick something). I didn't even know what he believed until a fairly recent conversation.

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  5. Re:The truth about global warming by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    lies of air pollution

    Really? They already have a real problem with that. This is not even about global warming. I take it you've never had to breathe ozone-rich air before. It hurts.

  6. Incorrect title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The correct title should be: Mexico City encourages the purchase of an additional car while simultaneously encouraging only the poor to stop driving.

    1. Re:Incorrect title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be "Mexico City encourages fake license plates"?

  7. Thank goodness... by gachunt · · Score: 1

    I own two cars.

  8. Re:The truth about global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't feed the trolls.

  9. The ban is also used in other countries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This ban is also used in other Latin American countries, although a bit different. In Colombia the ban is called "Pico y Placa", or something like " Rush hour and license plate" in English. In Bogotá, Colombia if you have a car with a license plate ending in an odd number you can't use your car on certain days of the week (there is a ban on even numbers the days you can use your car). Its main purpose in this city is to reduce the number of cars on the street as they don't have the infrastructure to support that amount of cars on the road at the same time.

    In Medellín, Colombia it only applies for rush hours, and you are exempted if your car is hybrid (be it electric/gasoline or gas/gasoline) or a full electric car.

  10. Fucking liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's that saying about the pot and the kettle again? Or can I not say that anymore because it might offend someone's racial sensitivities?

    1. Re:Fucking liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks REALLY bad when you argue with yourself. See what I mean?

  11. No longer any reason to get smog checks? by mysidia · · Score: 1

    If the Holo sticker no longer does anything, then why spend the extra money to get smog checks? Won't this remove the incentive for drivers to get lower emission vehicles leaving them with the disincentive of the additional costs for smog reduction with now no benefit for those added costs?

    Until now vehicles have been exempt from Mexico City's "no circulation" rules if owners obtain a holographic sticker from a smog-check center certifying them as lower-emission......Environmental Commission of the Megalopolis..., said in a statement that all cars must now comply, even if they have the exemption sticker. Vehicles will also be forced from the roads one Saturday a month.

    It also lowered the threshold at which alerts will be declared and predicted that atmospheric conditions will continue to favor the build-up of contaminants during the current dry season.

    1. Re:No longer any reason to get smog checks? by gwolf · · Score: 1

      You are missing some bits.

      Every car that complies with the standards now gets a "no restrictions" hologram ("0"). Depending on the emissions level, you might get "0", "1" or "2". A newer car with terrible motor conditions will surely get a higher hologram (which means, more restrictions). I sold last year my 12-year-old car, which was able to get a "0" as I kept it in good shape.

      What we have now is a temporary "flattening" of conditions; we will all have effectively-"2" restrictions, as the air was too polluted for three days in a row. And, yes, the program is up for some checking. Things have changed since it was introduced back in 1989.

      I do believe more circulation restrictions will be good. Higher prices for the privilege of owning a car, or higher gas prices for personal vehicles, will help as well. Of course, the extra income the city/federal government will get from that should go into improving our mass-transit systems.

    2. Re:No longer any reason to get smog checks? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      What we have now is a temporary "flattening" of conditions; we will all have effectively-"2" restrictions

      Where do pure electric cars fall into this scheme; which effectively have negative emissions (If carrying a bunch of extra passengers who would otherwise be driving their own Gas-burning vehicles) ?

    3. Re:No longer any reason to get smog checks? by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      They fall into the "2expensive4me" category.

    4. Re:No longer any reason to get smog checks? by gwolf · · Score: 1

      Besides being too expensive, as malditaenvidia already pointed out, they are permanently exempt of the twice-yearly verification every other car must undergo.

      Note, however, that they are *not* zero emissions, much less negative emissions: Except for hydroelectric plants, all other electricity generation schemes also carry some sort of pollution tag. Yes, it's usually "freed" in a much less polluted area (is that good or bad?) and I understand it's much more efficient than burning fuel in the motor. But it's not "effectively negative".

  12. Re: The truth about global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've lived in/visited polluted as hell places (China, Mexico City) and I'll tell you, you certain can feel it. Feels almost like going to Quito, Ecuador, where the city is high altitude and you have to breathe harder because oxygen count is lower. But the problem with the polluted cities isn't altitude is high, it's the smog. But in both cases you really will feel it if you're used to breathing the good air of for example the countryside in Europe or USA.

  13. Great Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bogota, Colombia does this. It's based on your license plate. You can only operate a car on certain days. On Sundays, no cars can use the vast majority of roads in the city. It's called Ciclovia.

    Reclaiming the Streets in Bogota

    and the origins of the idea...

    Ciclovía

  14. What about EVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely they'd allow me to drive my Tesla..?

    1. Re:What about EVs? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes yes, don't worry, the rich are still exempt from social planning laws.

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    2. Re:What about EVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweet! It is *good* to be rich. I am loving it.

      Also, if the stated reason is for air pollution then it makes total and absolute sense to allow EVs to drive every day as a non-financial incentive to invest in an EV.

    3. Re:What about EVs? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yea, in California EVs get to use the car pool lanes. Even though those lanes are for reducing congestion not for reducing fossil fuel use. Also EVs don't pay their full share of road taxes, as the road maintenance gets a significant portion of their funding from the gas tax. But none of the people working at my local McDonald's can afford an EV, so I guess they don't won't be seeing any of those particular benefits.

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  15. Traffic Regulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is due to a string of bad decisions by the city government. The new traffic regulations that took effect this year requires all to slow to less than 80 km/h in urban freeways making the considerably longer distances.
    Last year the old cars in good condition were allowed to circulate every day, creating huge traffic jams.
    Hybrid and electric cars are not subject to these rules, Toyota now has a waiting list of 3 months to buy a Prius and is about to bring its range of hybrid cars. The other car companies are doing the same. Normal gasoline cars are getting huge facilities to be acquired since people no longer want them.
    At least something good will come out of all this turning the city into a paradise of last generation green cars.

  16. Insanely expensive by gwolf · · Score: 2

    I know only one person that drives a hybrid car in Mexico City. Yes, they are exempt. But the cars are just too expensive for the population to even consider.

    I believe this will be the solution at some point, but nowadays, we are still quite far from it being possible.

  17. Quito and Mexico's altitude are quite similar by gwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FWIW, Quito sits at 2700m above sea level, and Mexico City at 2240 — Both cities are in valleys, and the suburbs rise quite higher than their "downtowns" (although Quito is a much smaller, steeper valley). As a comparison, Beijing is 43m above sea level. A completely different picture.

    In Mexico City, foreigners that come to visit do feel (lightly) the lack of oxygen, even in our best days pollution-wise. It is clearly not as impressive as what I have experienced, say, in El Alto, Bolivia, at 4070m.

    The problem with smog is not lower oxygen, but higher irritation due to the other components in our air. In very bad, very polluted days, eyes sting due to ozone and PM10 particles, and it's easy to develop coughing also due to PM10 and airborne sulphur compounds. Carbon monoxyde does not decrease oxygen, but it decreases our body's capability of fully using it.

    1. Re:Quito and Mexico's altitude are quite similar by delt0r · · Score: 1

      When i was in Mexico city, my room was on the 7th floor. I was wondering why i was getting so short of breath every time i went up the stairs. It took me quite a few days to realize how high the city is.

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  18. Re:The truth about global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It's April 4th though, not April 1st.

  19. Re:The truth about global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get paid tens of thousands of dollars each month to convince people that global warming is real, even though I know full well that it's absolutely false.

    As anonymous first-person accounts go, the average letter to Penthouse is far more credible.

  20. air pollution kills more people than crashes by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Air pollution from traffic kills more people than collisions. And every one of them is a "hit and run".

  21. To little too late. by cabazorro · · Score: 1

    People have multiple cars to multiple decals to get around it: http://www.hoy-no-circula.com....
    Is time to go electric and impose emission taxes to factories with strict zoning regulations.

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  22. Do you know Mexico City's location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is literally in a bowl. While barring cars helps, people still fart, create smoke,etc.

  23. Taco coatings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ten million dogs wander around Mexico City doing their business, which dries and powders and turns to dust in the heat and blows around to be breathed and eaten by people. Hey, maybe it's good for you, what do I know?

  24. Incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, government doesn't know what it's doing. Since this is air pollution, they should be banning airplanes.

  25. Emission testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If mexico wants to improve air quality, they need to enforce emission testing like the united states